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"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama told supporters at a San Francisco fundraiser Sunday, according to a transcript posted on the Huffington Post blog.

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations,"

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usobam0412,0,3879544.story

Why, yes, Obama. We cling to guns, because when people say crap like that, we smell the stink of leftist dictatorships. And those guns, Obama, are what keep that from ever happening here. Gun oil smells a lot better than that stink, a putrid stench called up from the leftist-dictator killing fields all through the 20th century. Mao. Stalin. Pol Pot. All the ones that YOUR sort enabled, Obama, by making sure that the common people could not fight back.

Not here. Oh, and Obama, some people "cling to" religion as well. So did the Founding Fathers. But then, they were "typical white people", I suppose.

I hope this is broadcast FAR and wide, to all corners, to the smallest small-town barbershops and cafes. I want people to see what he really is.

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2008, 08:41:14 PM »
There is also the problem that it is politicians like him that are largely responsible for the job loss. 
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2008, 08:42:17 PM »
He chose his audience well.  There aren't many places he could have said that and not been booed off the stage.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2008, 09:02:05 PM »
Americans are "bitter" all right--about too many Obamas screwing up America for the last 40 years.  The only reason this guy is still a viable candidate is that he's been protected by the mainstream media and the fluff girl academics who shadow them.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2008, 12:42:49 AM »
Americans are "bitter" all right--about too many Obamas screwing up America for the last 40 years.  The only reason this guy is still a viable candidate is that he's been protected by the mainstream media and the fluff girl academics who shadow them.

That and he's remarkably capable in the art of set piece verbal jujitsu. Give the man a scripted speech, set him in front of a receptive audience, and he'll make McCain and Hillary look strictly bush league. His response to this mess is as smooth as ever. His focus on the word "bitter" deftly deflects attention from the condescension and prevents him from having to answer how exactly his policies would help when decades of government intervention have failed miserably. Not quite as masterful as his Wright speech, but stakes are also lower.

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2008, 04:26:31 AM »
Wtf? Really! Wtf?!

How can this guy have any supporters? Don't people realize the sht he says???


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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2008, 04:40:18 AM »
Barry, if you want to help "small towns", then abolish the capital gains tax.  People will have 3 jobs. cool

Barry, just as I've told you before in Chicago, I HAVE my guns.  What are you doing to do now?  Who will come to my door? grin

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2008, 05:02:39 AM »
So if I could just get a job, then I would stop being such a gun-toting, bible-thumping, jingoism-spouting racist? 

Awesome!  Where do I sign up???

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2008, 05:42:19 AM »
I thought you people did not have jobs because you were Ron Paul voters? grin
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2008, 05:53:48 AM »
What I want to see is an open debate with McCain, Obama and Hillary.  And when I mean an open debate, have normal everyday people ask questions without anyone knowing what they will be in advance.

And the audience for this debate who asks the questions would be us, the memebership of APS.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2008, 06:20:06 AM »
My question:  "Barry, can I bum a smoke?"

He'd have to withdraw from the race. grin
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2008, 06:26:35 AM »
There - I fixed it... Heck - that might even make a good bumper sticker.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2008, 06:47:45 AM »
And the backpedaling begins...

Obama concedes remarks were ill chosen
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080412/ap_on_el_pr/obama_clinton

Obama concedes remarks were ill chosen
By JIM KUHNHENN and CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writers
 
After a full throated response to criticism that he is condescending, Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that that comments he made about bitter working class voters who "cling to guns or religion" were ill chosen.

"I didn't say it as well as I should have," he said.

As Obama tried to quell the furor, presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton hit him with one of her lengthiest and most pointed criticisms to date.

"Senator Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch," she said, campaigning about an hour away in Indianapolis. "They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans."

At issue are comments Obama made privately at a fundraising gathering in San Francisco last Sunday. He explained his troubles winning over working class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The comments, posted on the Huffington Post political Web site Friday, set off a storm of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and a number of other GOP officials.

The flap threatened to highlight an Obama Achilles heel  the image that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and carries himself with an air of superiority.

The campaign has been quick to react, hoping to defuse any damage caused with working class voters that Obama needs to win over in upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

"Lately there has been a little typical sort of political flare up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at Ball State University. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through."

"So I said, well you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about you know how things are changing."

After acknowledging that his previous remarks could have been better phrased, he added:

"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to.

"And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives, and what we need is a government that is actually paying attention. Government that is fighting for working people day in and day out making sure that we are trying to allow them to live out the American dream."

But Clinton struck hard, calling Obama's comments "demeaning." The increased attack showed that Clinton is eager to hold on to her working class support and is looking to open new questions about Obama's judgment that would make voters and Democratic officials reconsider their support for the Illinois senator.

"I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies," she said. "Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith.

"I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith. The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich.

"Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe."

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Associated Press Writer Charles Babington contributed from Indianapolis.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2008, 09:27:10 AM »
This attitude is prevalent in San Francisco/Marin County.
I encountered it in nearly
in EVERY political discussion I had when I lived there.
People would scream and want to attack you if you told them you could never vote for an anti gun candidate.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2008, 09:28:31 AM »
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"Senator Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch," she said, campaigning about an hour away in Indianapolis. "They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans."

Pot, meet kettle.  grin

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"I was raised with Midwestern values and an unshakable faith in America and its policies," she said. "Now, Americans who believe in the Second Amendment believe it's a matter of constitutional right. Americans who believe in God believe it's a matter of personal faith.

"I grew up in a church-going family, a family that believed in the importance of living out and expressing our faith. The people of faith I know don't 'cling' to religion because they're bitter. People embrace faith not because they are materially poor, but because they are spiritually rich.

"Our faith is the faith of our parents and our grandparents. It is a fundamental expression of who we are and what we believe."


Now this is well-spoken.  If she demonstrated with her actions that she actually thought like this she'd be a real candidate.  Someone you could have a rational disagreement on details with.


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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2008, 09:48:53 AM »
Bitter and clinging to religion, huh?  Like his preacher friend?   laugh
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
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Bitter and clinging to religion, huh?  Like his preacher friend?

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2008, 11:03:08 AM »
Wtf? Really! Wtf?!

How can this guy have any supporters? Don't people realize the sht he says???



They are wondering to themselves what's the big deal about what he said.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2008, 11:49:24 AM »
Now, now The Messiah did not mean it.  Yeah, right, Barry, like the barefoot rubes are going to believe you now.

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TERRE HAUTE, Indiana - After a full-throated response to criticism that he is condescending, Democrat Barack Obama on Saturday conceded that that comments he made about bitter working class voters who "cling to guns or religion" were ill chosen.

"I didn't say it as well as I should have," he said.

As Obama tried to quell the furor, presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton hit him with one of her lengthiest and most pointed criticisms to date.

"Senator Obama's remarks were elitist and out of touch," she said, campaigning about an hour away in Indianapolis. "They are not reflective of the values and beliefs of Americans."

At issue are comments Obama made privately at a fundraising gathering in San Francisco last Sunday. He explained his troubles winning over working class voters, saying they have become frustrated with economic conditions:

"It's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

The comments, posted on the Huffington Post political Web site Friday, set off a storm of criticism from Clinton, Republican nominee-in-waiting John McCain and a number of other GOP officials.

The flap threatened to highlight an Obama Achilles heel  the image that the Harvard-trained lawyer is arrogant and carries himself with an air of superiority.

Obama reacts
The campaign has been quick to react, hoping to defuse any damage caused with working class voters that Obama needs to win over in upcoming primaries in Pennsylvania and Indiana.

Obama: 'Bitter' remarks ill chosen
April 12: Barack Obama wishes he had chosen his words more carefully, but stands by his point that voters are angry and frustrated by Washington politics.
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"Lately there has been a little typical sort of political flare up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at Ball State University. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through."

"So I said, well you know, when you're bitter you turn to what you can count on. So people, they vote about guns, or they take comfort from their faith and their family and their community. And they get mad about illegal immigrants who are coming over to this country or they get frustrated about you know how things are changing."

After acknowledging that his previous remarks could have been better phrased, he added:

"The truth is that these traditions that are passed on from generation to generation those are important. That's what sustains us. But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to.

"And so they pray and they count on each other and they count on their families. You know this in your own lives, and what we need is a government that is actually paying attention. Government that is fighting for working people day in and day out making sure that we are trying to allow them to live out the American dream."
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2008, 12:53:44 PM »
^Translation:
"Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't think anyone outside of that building would ever know I said that!" sad
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2008, 02:14:29 PM »
We all know he really thinks that way, but I can't believe he actually said it.

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2008, 05:02:50 PM »
^Translation:
"Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't think anyone outside of that building would ever know I said that!" sad

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2008, 05:25:27 PM »
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2008, 08:52:09 PM »
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But what is absolutely true is that people don't feel like they are being listened to.
& thats why gun grabbers lose in national elections, they won't listen.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
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"Lately there has been a little typical sort of political flare up because I said something that everybody knows is true, which is that there are a whole bunch of folks in small towns in Pennsylvania, in towns right here in Indiana, in my hometown in Illinois who are bitter," Obama said Saturday morning at Ball State University. "They are angry. They feel like they have been left behind. They feel like nobody is paying attention to what they're going through."

No, no, Obama. I know some of those people in Illinois. They are bitter at CHICAGO and DALEY, because they feel like only Chicago corruption/left politics matter, and they, more conservative, are treated like the ugly cousins, kept out in the cornfields, not allowed to matter. They feel like the rest of the state doesn't matter, politically, and just gets edicts sent down from the Imperial City on the lake!