Assume McCain wins

[Balog]

The religious right moves along to the ironically named Constitution Party in order to pursue their dreams of a Christian Theocracy.

I don't hate religion.  I hate that religion in the US has become a political.  Politics is dirty.  The religious right has tied God to the political band wagon, and are dragging him through the mud.    

Riley, starting a new user account to get around the ban is just low. 

IBTL!

[K Frame]

You are right it is a cop out, I have no desire to throw anymore pearls before swine.  I am just going to shake the dust off my sandals and walk away.  Yes, I can argue my points, but on this forum, no.

So, in other words, you CAN'T argue your points.

[Perd Hapley]

Meh.  Sometimes, ya just don't feel like arguing anymore.

[grampster]

Quote from: grey54956
The religious right moves along to the ironically named Constitution Party in order to pursue their dreams of a Christian Theocracy.

The notion of a "...Christian Theocracy." is a myth.  America's spiritual reality is exceedingly diverse.  Christians make up the largest portion. Most Christian's political realities revolve more around general national goodness, freedom, mercy and noble purpose, not dogma.  I suspect other faiths are so grounded as well. 

In my opinion we have more to fear from those who's only ethics are situational...that the end justifies the means; which is usually very self serving.  That is of course if they have any ethics at all.  Most of the time those folks are not religious at all.  They are merely like despots everywhere that use a non existent faith to push an agenda of control and power.

[Gowen]

You are right it is a cop out, I have no desire to throw anymore pearls before swine.  I am just going to shake the dust off my sandals and walk away.  Yes, I can argue my points, but on this forum, no.

So, in other words, you CAN'T argue your points.

Sure I can, but I don't feel like being attacked by 20 people with no better argument than"religion sucks, religious people won't let me do what I want to do."

[grampster]

scanr,

You're a new member.  I've noticed a number of new members lately.  That's good.  Most of the old members here have argued through a lot of topics, some of them very controversial, in a mostly polite way.  So if you're going to wade into the fray, be prepared to defend your position in an erudite fashion, not with generalities, and especially not from a high horse.
 
Nothing personal fella, but if you're gonna be a contributor, then get a bit seasoned, and learn how to earn your welcome.  You don't need to agree with anyone, nor have anyone agree with you.  We have members who are poles apart and we jab each other now and then.  But for the most part, we respect each other and have each earned what respect we have gained.

Welcome, by the way.

PS: Calling the group swine while elevating one's opinion to that of soothsayer or oracle is not wise.

[The Annoyed Man]

>Sure I can, but I don't feel like being attacked by 20 people with no better argument than"religion sucks, religious people won't let me do what I want to do."<

Oh, I'll admit, I was kinda leading with my question. However, I'm betting dollars to donuts that your entire argument is based on "This is what my religion teaches". Which is cool: for you. But what about people of other faiths... do WE have to bow before what YOUR religious texts proclaim?

 And before you (or anyone else) says anything about "Christianity is the majority faith of America", please remember the phrase "tyranny of the majority".

 As for the "harm" caused by porn or assisted suicide (which are the ones that confuse me in your list): where IS the harm?

 If someone (or a group of someones) want to pose nude, engaged in carnal acts for a camera, who's business is it? Theirs, whoever is taking the pictures, and whoever wishes to pay for said pictures. if YOU don't like it, don't pay for or look at 'em.

 And assisted suicide? Are we talking about someone being handed an overdose because they're depressed, or are we talking about people (like my mother) who was in so much pain she couldn't function (in any way) having their suffering ended BY THIER REQUEST?

 And if you'd like, feel free to respond in PM...

[Perd Hapley]

Calling the group swine while elevating one's opinion to that of soothsayer or oracle is not wise.

"Don't cast pearls before swine," is a proverb.  It doesn't imply that one's audience is swine, simply that they cannot appreciate what is said any more than a pig can appreciate the value or beauty of a pearl.

That being said, it can be misunderstood by those who are not familiar with it, so it may be wise to avoid it sometimes. 

[Balog]

Calling the group swine while elevating one's opinion to that of soothsayer or oracle is not wise.

"Don't cast pearls before swine," is a proverb.  It doesn't imply that one's audience is swine, simply that they cannot appreciate what is said any more than a pig can appreciate the value or beauty of a pearl.

That being said, it can be misunderstood by those who are not familiar with it, so it may be wise to avoid it sometimes. 

I understand it perfectly, and it's still fairly offensive. The basic statement is "You're too stupid to understand what I'm saying, so I'll just stop trying." This isn't offensive.... how?

[K Frame]

OK, this stopped being about politics quite awhile ago.

So, I'm going to cast this entire thread before swine, and hope that they eat it.