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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #50 on: July 08, 2011, 11:39:36 PM »
This may be the sort of thing that gets hand grenades recognized as viable self-defense tools....  :cool:
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2011, 06:25:49 AM »
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2011, 07:14:45 AM »
Flash mobs are war parties.  Tribal behavior tends to produce similar behavior.  This isn't going to be about one or two armed people shooting back when attacked.  Just a prediction.


Flash mobs are entirely different from these events.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2011, 08:18:34 AM »
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2011, 10:39:56 AM »

Flash mobs are entirely different from these events.

Implies that mobs that set out to attack by race don't communicate by digital means.  Rather doubtful.  But the issue isn't how they congregate, it's why.

And, I repeat, these angry, lawless mobs are war parties.  Go to the source.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2011, 03:32:16 PM »
Tell me that's not, you know, real.

Actually, I wrote some tongue-in-cheek things like that in HS, only my grammar and "logic" were impeccable so I got full credit for them.

I precisely met the requirements of the assignment, only not quite in the manner that my english (actually, he was irish to be precise!) teacher intended.  Did I mention that I was bored?
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2011, 03:53:44 PM »
Tell me that's not, you know, real.

I want to talk to the teacher for giving that 37% credit.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2011, 04:49:20 PM »
Implies that mobs that set out to attack by race don't communicate by digital means.  Rather doubtful.  But the issue isn't how they congregate, it's why.

And, I repeat, these angry, lawless mobs are war parties.  Go to the source.

The casualties seem low for a war.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2011, 05:10:13 PM »
2. Even if there is a successful self-defense shooting by a white CCW'er, or someone open carrying a rifle, you're refusing to recognize the completely devastating reaction of the media, the police, the prosecutor, the community, and the aggressor's surviving family. Even if the shooter prevails legally because ultimately the law is on their side, this process can still mean months, if not years of having one's life turned upside down, and cause you to incur expensive legal costs and any other number of major life disruptions.

The natural cost/benefit calculations that anyone who actually has enough independent thought that they might use a firearm for self defense means they just won't be in that neighborhood in the first place.

I guess that sums up my feeling on the "trunk gun" as well.

Tis why my state passed a law that more or less codified the right to self-defense, and gave immunity for a valid self-defense.  While not a complete free pass for a valid self-defense, that just leaves the media and community to deal with.  Sure, the police, prosecutor and family can try to give you grief, but the amount of damage they can do is minimized to probably $2,000 to $10,000 for your lawyer to make a single legal citation, prove that you met it (assuming you did) and the judge to throw out the criminal or civil case.  If you win, you are supposed to be awarded your legal costs back.  While not perfect, that is entirely manageable.  
 
I don't think the legal cost reimbursement is widely known among criminals yet.  It will be entertaining the first time a criminal's family sues, loses and then is forced to cover the cost of the entire civil case.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #59 on: July 09, 2011, 06:21:42 PM »
The casualties seem low for a war.

I think you mean the reported casualties, don't you?  But ask the police making the calls.  Racial and ethnic tension in America has been rising for some time.  Our economic travails promise to make it worse.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2011, 09:54:58 PM »
Any large group that comes together to do illegal things is using violence whether blood is spilt or not. At this stage it is mostly implied violence, quantity having a quality all of its own. Mobs of petty criminals, especially those drawing on perceived societal wrongs, move on to bigger things be it Weimar or Rwanda.

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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2011, 11:22:48 PM »
I don't think the legal cost reimbursement is widely known among criminals yet.  It will be entertaining the first time a criminal's family sues, loses and then is forced to cover the cost of the entire civil case.

How many of these criminals' families would actually have the means to reimburse the cost of their civil case when it gets tossed?  I suspect the CCW shooter would still be out of pocket for most of the legal costs.  Blood from turnips and all that.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #62 on: July 10, 2011, 11:46:57 PM »
Philly has pretty good RKBA and LTCF laws, because PA makes them.  And?

Philly does its damndest to dodge or outright ignore any RKBA law they can. Including harassing/arrsting people carrying using out of state permits or open carrying.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #63 on: July 11, 2011, 11:28:23 PM »
Well, one writer of a letter to the editor had a predictable liberal response to the beatings. Note that it's poverty that caused this (my parents lived through the Great Depression, and never beat anybody), and it's not even the fault of the perps themselves.

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A resident of Riverwest, I enjoyed the fireworks in Kilbourn Park on July 3 and left (thankfully) before the violence occurred. I was horrified at hearing the news of what happened that night.

Unfortunately, Wednesday's town hall meeting in Gordon Park has done little to reassure us and address the needs of our community.

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn has done little more than denounce the events as "barbaric" and try his best to save face, admitting some fault while assuring the city that the Police Department mostly handled the incidents correctly and effectively.

The fact is that adolescents in Milwaukee, one of the poorest and most segregated cities in the nation, are facing a crisis: a seemingly hopeless future without jobs, education or any real opportunity. Our children are growing and living in neighborhoods where poverty and violence are facts of life. The understanding that incidents such as looting and beatings occur in this type of setting is logical and frightening.

The night of July 3 was a wake-up call for Milwaukee. We can't continue to blame parents, police or misdirected youths. Unless we, as a city and as a nation, begin to address the issue of poverty and the violence it breeds, we can expect more of the same.

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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #64 on: July 12, 2011, 01:31:48 AM »
Well, one writer of a letter to the editor had a predictable liberal response to the beatings. Note that it's poverty that caused this (my parents lived through the Great Depression, and never beat anybody), and it's not even the fault of the perps themselves.

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A resident of Riverwest, I enjoyed the fireworks in Kilbourn Park on July 3 and left (thankfully) before the violence occurred. I was horrified at hearing the news of what happened that night.

Unfortunately, Wednesday's town hall meeting in Gordon Park has done little to reassure us and address the needs of our community.

Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn has done little more than denounce the events as "barbaric" and try his best to save face, admitting some fault while assuring the city that the Police Department mostly handled the incidents correctly and effectively.

The fact is that adolescents in Milwaukee, one of the poorest and most segregated cities in the nation, are facing a crisis: a seemingly hopeless future without jobs, education or any real opportunity. Our children are growing and living in neighborhoods where poverty and violence are facts of life. The understanding that incidents such as looting and beatings occur in this type of setting is logical and frightening.

The night of July 3 was a wake-up call for Milwaukee. We can't continue to blame parents, police or misdirected youths. Unless we, as a city and as a nation, begin to address the issue of poverty and the violence it breeds, we can expect more of the same.

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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #65 on: July 12, 2011, 02:31:26 AM »
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #66 on: July 12, 2011, 11:12:25 AM »
It should come as no surprise that the usual suspects want to conflate RKBA with racism.  Law-abiding gun-owners did not create the racial tensions in this society.  Who and what is behind the attacks?  The one thing we can't do is pretend they don't exist and what threat they present.  If legitimate authority in America keeps blaming everyone but the attackers, this situation can only devolve.  It doesn't have to.

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By the way the phenomenon is apparently not confined to the U.S.:

http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/019863.html
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #67 on: July 12, 2011, 11:34:30 AM »
It should come as no surprise that the usual suspects want to conflate RKBA with racism.

Do you feel Sebastian is also one of the usual suspects?



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 Who and what is behind the attacks?

The attackers, naturally.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #68 on: July 12, 2011, 12:19:07 PM »
You know I mean the mainstream media and the whole operation of the idea-disseminating Left in America.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #69 on: July 12, 2011, 12:21:15 PM »
I think Sebastian's point (which I agree with) is that Gabe Suarez is an idiot.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #70 on: July 12, 2011, 02:21:24 PM »
He (Suarez) certainly isn't helping the situation.

This ought to be wonderful "teachable moment" for Our President.  He needs to materialize and give one of his inspiring speeches.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #71 on: July 12, 2011, 03:03:12 PM »
http://www.snowflakesinhell.com/2011/07/11/stopped-clock-is-right-twice-a-day/

SIH with some cogent input.

Meh, not so much.

Clarity and truthfulness are to be valued, even if someone's feelings are hurt.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #72 on: July 12, 2011, 03:52:09 PM »
Meh, not so much.

Clarity and truthfulness are to be valued, even if someone's feelings are hurt.

Except, as he pointed out, Suarez is not being truthful.
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« Reply #73 on: July 12, 2011, 04:11:07 PM »
Except, as he pointed out, Suarez is not being truthful.

Much as I hate Suarez, I think SiH is reading too much into his comments in the same way that he is accusing Suarez of reading too much into the incidents.
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Re: Mobs, liberals and racism
« Reply #74 on: July 12, 2011, 04:15:57 PM »
How many of these criminals' families would actually have the means to reimburse the cost of their civil case when it gets tossed?  I suspect the CCW shooter would still be out of pocket for most of the legal costs.  Blood from turnips and all that.
i think, it's a ruling that they can't have money in the bank for what ever time. just like not paying child support etc. as in they'll even take a SS settlement. if they went that far, i think it'll be a bigger deterrent then it first appears. >:D