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Interesting historic item...
« on: November 25, 2019, 12:33:23 PM »
Occasionally I'll look over the FBI's "Remember Our Fallen" page on their site.

This one, from 1931, is interesting...

https://www.fbi.gov/history/wall-of-honor/albert-l-ingle

According to the write up, the private detective was carrying a gun in his pocket, which fell through a hole, hit the ground, and discharged, hitting Ingle.

Makes me wonder what kind of handgun the detective was carrying...
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Re: Interesting historic item...
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2019, 01:19:26 PM »
My first guess would be a S&W revolver of some flavor.  Might be one of those favorable write ups to disguise an ND.
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« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2019, 02:26:25 PM »
Well, it was definitely a negligent discharge.
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Re: Interesting historic item...
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2019, 02:30:26 PM »
Could have been any revolver.  Transfer bars weren't common until the '60s.
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« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2019, 02:33:58 PM »
Quote from: Fly320s on November 25, 2019, 02:30:26 PM
Could have been any revolver.  Transfer bars weren't common until the '60s.

Iver Johnson introduced the transfer bar in the late 1800s/early 1900s. Not sure when other manufacturers started adopting it, but likely after IJ's patent on it wore off.
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« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2019, 02:55:42 PM »
Charter then Ruger, I think, in the '60s.   S&W had the hammer block (same idea, but backwards) earlier.
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« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2019, 03:56:18 PM »
Who was it who had the "hammer the hammer" ads?  My search engine skills suck, but I'm sure I saw that ad in a gun rag at some point.

I agree that the hole in the pocket theory is a bit hokey.  If I get even a little hole in a pocket, it doesn't take long for me to notice it and use a staple for a temporary fix. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2019, 04:25:23 PM »
Quote from: 230RN on November 25, 2019, 03:56:18 PM
Who was it who had the "hammer the hammer" ads?  My search engine skills suck, but I'm sure I saw that ad in a gun rag at some point.

Oh, mon, you old.  That was Iver Johnson, I'm pretty sure, turn of the last century.

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« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2019, 04:53:12 PM »
Well,  maybe I saw it as part of a modern article describing old "hammer the hammer" ads.

Any article about it would have been in the nineteen sixties or seventies, when I got re-interested in guns and gobbled up gun magazines like candy bars.

Anyhow, no matter.  I just remember seeing the ads.

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2019, 05:49:52 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2019, 06:55:28 PM »
Ah, bless your heart, Hank B.  I guess I'm not as senile as everyone suspects.

How'd you find it?  I tried duck duck a while ago and didn't like it for some reason so I never home paged it.  What was your search term, and how deep into the hits was this result?

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Re: Interesting historic item...
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2019, 10:59:59 PM »
Quote from: Mike Irwin on November 25, 2019, 12:33:23 PM

Makes me wonder what kind of handgun the detective was carrying...

A Sig 320, of course.
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Re: Interesting historic item...
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2019, 11:15:58 PM »
I can't imagine a gun of any size slipping down inside your pants without you knowing it, or gathering enough velocity to hit the ground and release the sear or knock the hammer down after that trip.

Clown pants, maybe?

Must have fallen out of a coat pocket.
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Re: Interesting historic item...
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2019, 07:31:18 AM »
Thinking about this some more, the Colt Police Positive and Police Positive Specials also had positive internal hammer blocks at this time.

Smith & Wesson also had an earlier version of the hammer block (but one that was found could be defeated by dirt, dried grease, oil, etc., which led to the development of today's positive hammer block during WW II)


The earliest Iver Johnson transfer bar ad I've found is from 1904. Lots of variations on the "Hammer the Hammer" theme, but also a lot of ads touting the safety of their double-action only revolvers (often show with children playing with the gun. Imagine the outcry today were those ads to run).




"Must have fallen out of a coat pocket."

That's my guess.
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