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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on February 15, 2017, 01:21:34 PM
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Looks like it's time for Harrison Ford to quit the flying thing.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/02/14/report-harrison-ford-messes-up-landing-ca-airport/97911170/
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Maybe he was trying to make the Kessel run in something less than an inappropriate unit of measurment...
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He's fine at the flying thing. Landing is his problem.
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Maybe he was trying to make the Kessel run in something less than an inappropriate unit of measurment...
:rofl:
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He's fine at the flying thing. Landing is his problem.
Yup.
https://youtu.be/WmwppdJlVVc?t=36
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Hmmm...20L...cleverly marked with a big "20L" at the end, some nice yellow chevrons to tell you to stay out of the overrun, and...well, that's about it. I guess if he was watching toward the middle and didn't pay attention to the end, the taxiways could look pretty similar.
Not a great layout, though; looks like all the commercial terminals are on the east and about 2/3 of the GA on the west, with the big runway (20R/2L) on the west side and the little one on the east, so everybody's having to cross everything most of the time.
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YEEHAW
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He's fine at the flying thing. Landing is his problem.
His landings have been good enough so far. =)
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What happened? Did he land in a giant space whale again?
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Meh. Ford is getting up there in age and may need to quit flying, but there have been plenty of people that landed on taxiways, airline pilots included.
The only reason this story made the national news is because it was Ford flying the plane.
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Meh. Ford is getting up there in age and may need to quit flying, but there have been plenty of people that landed on taxiways, airline pilots included.
The only reason this story made the national news is because it was Ford flying the plane.
Age is where I was going with this, as it's his second incident in a year. Or he may want to start restricting himself to less busy airspace / airports, so there's less simultaneous information to process. Just like my dad is still fine driving into town, but I'd never let him drive through downtown LA anymore (hell, I don't even want to do that anymore).
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Meh. Ford is getting up there in age and may need to quit flying, but there have been plenty of people that landed on taxiways, airline pilots included.
Isn't there something of an occasional push to have some sort of daytime taxiway marking? Like green stripes every 50 feet or something?
Never really been an issue around here, since the only taxiway parallels the runway, and 80% of the traffic could easily land on it between intersections without making the slightest bit of difference. The fact that it's half the width and lacks any sort of marklngs is usually a pretty good clue to move over to the big thing with lots of paint, though.
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Age is where I was going with this, as it's his second incident in a year. Or he may want to start restricting himself to less busy airspace / airports, so there's less simultaneous information to process. Just like my dad is still fine driving into town, but I'd never let him drive through downtown LA anymore (hell, I don't even want to do that anymore).
THe previous incident was due to engine failure and was deemed not pilot error.
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Isn't there something of an occasional push to have some sort of daytime taxiway marking? Like green stripes every 50 feet or something?
Maybe. I don't know.
Your next paragraph sums it up.
The fact that it's half the width and lacks any sort of marklngs is usually a pretty good clue to move over to the big thing with lots of paint, though.
If this was day VMC, then there is a big issue. If it was night... well, sh*t happens.
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THe previous incident was due to engine failure and was deemed not pilot error.
Oh, I misremembered that then.
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I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Ford gets a FAA check flight.
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SeaTac has had several airliners cleared for 16C land on the taxiway instead. Supposedly, there can be quite a glare that obscures the runway markings, so they have issued special warnings about this. Here's a link to page 2 of the IAP for runway 16C:
http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1702/00582IL16C_C.PDF
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At least he landed at the right airport?
I've known of several flights where the pilots managed to miss even that - both military and commercial.
IE The commercial flight lands at a military airport, and a military flight lands at a commercial one.
The heavy lift cargo plane realizing that they're committed to landing on a short strip and showing just how fast they can brake when they need to...
http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/travel/kansas-cargo-plane-wrong-airport/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHMhClzfoi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi58Ds3Krgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-UgwM1V8g
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHMhClzfoi8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wi58Ds3Krgw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=an-UgwM1V8g
I have seen one of those heavy lift Air Force jets land and take off at an air show. I figure it was empty when I saw it, but it was amazing how little room it needed to land and take off.
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If this was day VMC, then there is a big issue. If it was night... well, sh*t happens.
Take a look at the satellite view of the difference between 20L and 20R; if he was just thinking "ignore the pretty runway and use the mixed-surface county-road looking thing east of it" then he just went one level of craptasticness too far.
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Happens more than you think, and at airports without parallel runways too. BTDT
Somewhere there is a pilot deviation with my name on it and the quote
...deemed it was more safe to let N12345 land on the taxiway rather than send him around and let him menace the sky for another lap in the pattern..."
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At least he landed at the right airport?
I've known of several flights where the pilots managed to miss even that - both military and commercial.
I was on a Delta flight many years ago coming into Great Falls, MT and was thinking the scenery looked all wrong. Then we pulled up, turned away from Malmstrom AFB, and landed at Great Falls International as planned on the other side of town.
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Happens more than you think, and at airports without parallel runways too. BTDT
Somewhere there is a pilot deviation with my name on it and the quote
...deemed it was more safe to let N12345 land on the taxiway rather than send him around and let him menace the sky for another lap in the pattern..."
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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Happens more than you think, and at airports without parallel runways too. BTDT
Somewhere there is a pilot deviation with my name on it and the quote
...deemed it was more safe to let N12345 land on the taxiway rather than send him around and let him menace the sky for another lap in the pattern..."
Granddad once had a rather heated discussion with a small airport manager near Abilene who was complaining about him landing on the "taxiway" of a grass strip. He'd spent plenty of time setting tail draggers down in pastures, and just aimed for the greenest path he could see in what looked to me like a ~80 yard wide lawn with some ruts along one side. Apparently the manager thought it was better to have everybody keep chewing up the same slot rather than spread out the 3-4 takeoffs and landings a day over the whole usable surface.
And that was after a really steady tail-up landing where he didn't drop the back until just before turning off the "runway" area. He threatened to land in their ~4 car parking lot next time he came through there in that Super Cub.
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Airport managers can be morons. The one at EFD tried telling us we couldn't let helicopters land in the hanger area. Um...we pretty much can't stop them.
"Landing at your own risk, use caution for _____ (if applicable), wind. Report landing assured"
We can only tell them no for published prohibited areas/restricted areas and TFR's.
I had a heated discussion with the Airport manager, laughed at him, hung up on him.
I've had a few tail draggers request grass landings.
"Landing at your own risk, area west of runway one seven right is uncontrolled, use caution for ditch on right side of runway, wind."
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I remember hearing a story about a commercial airliner that accidentally landed at a military base - they allegedly were worried that some passengers may have seen or taken pictures of something secret so the .mil cops supposedly issued dire warnings about talking about the incident to everyone on the plane.
Another incident had a jetliner land at some really tiny airport - as I recall, the runway was too short for a normal takeoff, so they brought in a prize crew and took everything they possibly could off the plane (including seats and reserve fuel) to lighten it, waited for ideal weather conditions, and then took off, with a direct, pre-cleared flight to the nearest legitimate airport.
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Re: Han Solo Needs to Quit Flying
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2017, 03:01:09 PM »
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I remember hearing a story about a commercial airliner that accidentally landed at a military base - they allegedly were worried that some passengers may have seen or taken pictures of something secret so the .mil cops supposedly issued dire warnings about talking about the incident to everyone on the plane.
Another incident had a jetliner land at some really tiny airport - as I recall, the runway was too short for a normal takeoff, so they brought in a prize crew and took everything they possibly could off the plane (including seats and reserve fuel) to lighten it, waited for ideal weather conditions, and then took off, with a direct, pre-cleared flight to the nearest legitimate airport.
The second incident you mentioned was a Piedmont Airlines 737 which landed at Daniel Field in Augusta, GA in 1986 (same field I learned to fly at). They didn't strip the seats out or anything but they did put in minimum fuel and flew it to Bush Regional, the original destination which is a very short 6 miles away. The pilot was flying a night visual approach and was unfamiliar with the area. The tower at Bush had already closed for the night. He realized he was at the wrong airport while on short final and elected to land rather than attempt an abort.
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The second incident you mentioned was a Piedmont Airlines 737 which landed at Daniel Field in Augusta, GA in 1986 (same field I learned to fly at). They didn't strip the seats out or anything but they did put in minimum fuel and flew it to Bush Regional, the original destination which is a very short 6 miles away. The pilot was flying a night visual approach and was unfamiliar with the area. The tower at Bush had already closed for the night. He realized he was at the wrong airport while on short final and elected to land rather than attempt an abort.
Which is why we practice low altitude go-arounds now. I've had the main gear bounce off the runway during a go around in the sim. No big deal.
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I think we all know Chewy was the real pilot in the team. All Han does it get the jobs.
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I think we all know Chewy was the real pilot in the team. All Han does it get the jobs.
That means they are all...... Han jobs.
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Happens more than you think, and at airports without parallel runways too. BTDT
Somewhere there is a pilot deviation with my name on it and the quote
...deemed it was more safe to let N12345 land on the taxiway rather than send him around and let him menace the sky for another lap in the pattern..."
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I have seen one of those heavy lift Air Force jets land and take off at an air show. I figure it was empty when I saw it, but it was amazing how little room it needed to land and take off.
Are you thinking of the C-17? That thing is like a rocket ship. I saw it at the Dayton air show, pretty impressive.
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That means they are all...... Han jobs.
I guffawed!
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For your consideration, TACA Flight 110. (http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=470615)
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For your consideration, TACA Flight 110. (http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=470615)
You can find an episode of Mayday: Air Crash Investigation on Youtube that's about this incident. To make it even better -- the pilot was blind in one eye.
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Granddad once had a rather heated discussion with a small airport manager near Abilene who was complaining about him landing on the "taxiway" of a grass strip. He'd spent plenty of time setting tail draggers down in pastures, and just aimed for the greenest path he could see in what looked to me like a ~80 yard wide lawn with some ruts along one side. Apparently the manager thought it was better to have everybody keep chewing up the same slot rather than spread out the 3-4 takeoffs and landings a day over the whole usable surface.
And that was after a really steady tail-up landing where he didn't drop the back until just before turning off the "runway" area. He threatened to land in their ~4 car parking lot next time he came through there in that Super Cub.
You mean like this?
https://youtu.be/bPSElw8qEsI
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You mean like this?
https://youtu.be/bPSElw8qEsI
Heck, even unmodified, a Cub that isn't too heavily loaded can set down in an impressively small space. Give it a 15-20mph headwind and a good pilot and that landing isn't too unusual. No-wind roll for takeoff is 250ft and landing 300ft, so it doesn't take much to put those unnervingly close to zero. Given a really good pilot with excellent timing and a strong gusting wind, it's possible to hover and set down vertical. I've heard of them landing at negative ground speed, but even the braggarts that used to come through the local airport when granddad managed it never claimed to have had the guts to do it.
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I've never landed going backwards, but I have had a negative ground speed. A Cessna 150/152 with full flaps and a decent headwind.
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Are you thinking of the C-17? That thing is like a rocket ship. I saw it at the Dayton air show, pretty impressive.
Local guard unit has 141s, which are pretty impressive in that regard too.
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I've never landed going backwards, but I have had a negative ground speed. A Cessna 150/152 with full flaps and a decent headwind.
Tricycle gear is a little less...weird.
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At least one cartoonist has noticed:
https://townhall.com/political-cartoons/2017/02/23/148902