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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: AZRedhawk44 on August 29, 2013, 10:16:14 AM
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps
One new policy will end a government practice that lets military weapons, sold or donated by the U.S. to allies, be reimported into the U.S. by private entities, where some may end up on the streets. The White House said the U.S. has approved 250,000 of those guns to be reimported since 2005; under the new policy, only museums and a few other entities like the government will be eligible to reimport military-grade firearms.
CMP is a private entity. I don't know if this will affect them... I sure hope not.
There's also something in the story about stopping "felons" from registering firearms to corporations rather than themselves. Not sure if this is the truth, or Obama is going after corporations and trusts because it's a good way (for us) to handle inheritance of any firearm and multiparty ownership of NFA items without hassle from FedGuv.
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Going after CMP imports would show his true colors, not that he already has. Banning import of M1 Garands as "military grade assault weapons" would show that even under their "we won't touch sportsmen's guns" rules, nothing is safe.
As to the corporate entity, I wonder if any such law would exclude government agency ownership of firearms for issue? Be funny if, like the mag capacity limit in New York, they forgot to except LEO's from the restrictions...
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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps
CMP is a private entity. I don't know if this will affect them... I sure hope not.
There's also something in the story about stopping "felons" from registering firearms to corporations rather than themselves. Not sure if this is the truth, or Obama is going after corporations and trusts because it's a good way (for us) to handle inheritance of any firearm and multiparty ownership of NFA items without hassle from FedGuv.
Anything to make it more difficult. That is the way of the bureaucrats.
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Yes, they really do hate us and mean us harm.
Time we started working on that assumption.
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Will this import ban affect Saigas and Russian ammo?
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Will this import ban affect Saigas and Russian ammo?
Doesn't sound like it. But that's probably next.
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By banning the re-import of C&R/CMP rifles and preventing gangbangers from creating corps to buy machine guns.
http://townhall.com/news/politics-elections/2013/08/29/ap-exclusive-obama-offers-new-gun-control-steps-n1684514
Tam nails it on FB here:
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And here:
The NFA CLEO sign-off requirement is racist. An insightful commenter at Sebastian's place noted:
"I would counter that the NFA trust “loophole” is not a loophole at all, but rather a legitimate way around the local LEO signoff, which is in reality nothing more than a Jim Crow measure designed to ensure that only whites have access to NFA items.
When you consider the fact that the original proposed NFA included all handguns and that when you adjust for inflation, $200 would be about $3500 today, it becomes clear that the intent was to make it nearly impossible for anybody but the rich to have access to any useful firearms."
Why are anti-2A people supporting this racist proposed rule change?
http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/08/29/obama-issues-executive-orders-to-screw-us/#comment-289381
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WTS: m1d garand with m84 scope: 3,000 dollars
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But Marijuana is ok
http://news.yahoo.com/feds-wont-sue-stop-marijuana-2-states-173520230--politics.html
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Merged duplicate topics.
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But Marijuana is ok
http://news.yahoo.com/feds-wont-sue-stop-marijuana-2-states-173520230--politics.html
What if you add a bowl to the rifle?
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What if you add a bowl to the rifle?
The Walter Cronkite Vietnam video series shows a bunch of servicemen doing that with a shotgun.
Found it!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2zhI5K5yhU
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
Because they say so
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Hmm. I guess I should have read the article before I posted. This seems to be US reimports only, not all milsurps. Nevertheless, they still need to explain the dangers of a basically antique, heavy ass Garand with an 8 round clip.
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
Because it's affordable?
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
Bayonet. Shoulder thing that goes up. You know.
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Bayonet. Shoulder thing that goes up. You know.
I got totally ripped off on my 98Ks. Not a single one with the shoulder thing. They did come with cosmoline in the barrels, which as we all know coats bullets as they pass through the barrel to make them slick so they can pierce armor.
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I got totally ripped off on my 98Ks. Not a single one with the shoulder thing. They did come with cosmoline in the barrels, which as we all know coats bullets as they pass through the barrel to make them slick so they can pierce armor.
Is THAT what it does? I'll have to try that.
I thought it caused potential barrel obstructions and possibly blew up the barrel. [tinfoil]
You learn something every day on this forum!!! :laugh:
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
The model 700 is not okie dokie- they just have not gotten around to it yet.
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The model 700 is not okie dokie- they just have not gotten around to it yet.
Sniper rifle! Ban it!
Let's face it, if it ain't Joe's good old double, they're gona have some reason.
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Yes, they really do hate us and mean us harm.
Time we started working on that assumption.
Combine it with something like Pascral's Gun Violence Prevention and Safe Communities Act that would push handgun taxes up towards 20% and ammo taxes up towards 50% (unless you're the govt) and push the NFA taxes to $500 from $200 and $100 from $5, then try to keep a straight face during your next debate with someone advocating shaving away your gun rights with a claymore.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/26/house-dems-seek-to-tax-gun-owners-with-new-bill/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/08/26/house-dems-seek-to-tax-gun-owners-with-new-bill/)
They're taxing the 2A for the good of the community. :rofl:
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
Because Remington 700s break?
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I thought it caused potential barrel obstructions and possibly blew up the barrel. [tinfoil]
UNSAFE! BAN IT FOR THE CHILDREN!
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Dumb question: If I set up a trust to get supressor, don't I still have to get a background check done? Wouldn't anyone else who was later added to the trust?
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Dumb question: If I set up a trust to get supressor, don't I still have to get a background check done? Wouldn't anyone else who was later added to the trust?
It's not like Stringer Bell and Ray-Ray can just go in, file the paperwork and $25 registration fee. (YMMV in your state) Yes, you still have to pass the NCIS check. You just don't need the CLEO sign-off. Maybe AJ can answer it better.
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It's not like Stringer Bell and Ray-Ray can just go in, file the paperwork and $25 registration fee. (YMMV in your state) Yes, you still have to pass the NCIS check. You just don't need the CLEO sign-off. Maybe AJ can answer it better.
The Grantor or Trustee who picks up the suppressor registered to an NFA trust is subject to a NICS background check at the actual time of transfer/handover. Maybe it's a grey area in the law/rules, but there's NO SOT/FFL who will not do one.
Of course, the whole thing is up in the air now. The new rule proposal Eric Holder just signed off on yesterday, it's still unclear if CLEO sign off's have been eliminated for everyone, making trusts moot for most people, or if CLEO sign offs have been added to trusts too. It's very unclear, and a FFL 07/09 SOT friend of mine and Monkeyleg's was talking with the ATF that very day getting his new business premises inspected/signed off on, and he said the ATF inspectors/agents had no clue as to what was going as of yet either.
There's all sorts of speculation and re-reporting flying everywhere over this. People pissed at NFATCA thinking they did this to us on purpose for some tin-foil-hat theories that "rich NFA collectors" wanted the NFA market made more difficult to enter into. (Exact opposite if this is bad, it'll reduce demand and liquidity and prices of pre-86 MG's and exotic/expensive DD's, not raise them...) , others who understand what NFATCA was trying to do to help us (and throw the ATF a bone by making trusts less attractive to reduce their paperwork load) but still pissed they just "didn't leave well enough alone".
And some like me still hoping there's a slim chance CLEO sign-off is still being done away with, and there's still lots of misinformation and FUD going on. I see a tiny chance that we may be going to universal CLEO notification (like when you apply for an 03 C&R FFL) and CLEO approval is still going away. Admittedly a very slim chance.
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People pissed at NFATCA thinking they did this to us on purpose for some tin-foil-hat theories that "rich NFA collectors" wanted the NFA market made more difficult to enter into.
I've actually seen a thought like this expressed from a collector on why he doesn't want the registry opened up. :mad:
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I've actually seen a thought like this expressed from a collector on why he doesn't want the registry opened up. :mad:
Yes, but that's the Hughes amendment to the '86 FOPA, Obama's/Holder's Executive Action (different than an EO) to put out proposed rulemaking changes for the NFA process would only hurt pre-'86 transferable MG prices.
At least this isn't a done deal... yet. It still has to go through the public comment period, and Proposed Rulemaking process etc.
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
They will eventually say that if a K98K is banned and a 700 is just as deadly then the rule obviously and legally includes the 700 by default.
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Sniper rifle! Ban it!
Let's face it, if it ain't Joe's good old double, they're gona have some reason.
Nein. Double barrel shotgun+hacksaw=constructive possession of an urban beverage redistribution terror weapon.
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funny how we are discussing
"and how would you like your rights infringed today, my dear?"
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I can't wait to hear their explanation for why a K98K is an evil military death machine while a Remington Model 700 is okie dokie.
K98s were used by Nazis. Nazis are racists, so the K98 is a racist gun.
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So does this mean the end of the DCM (formerly CMP) and all the Lend/Lease M1 Garands?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/29/1234749/-POTUS-to-Close-Gun-Sale-Loophole-Executive-Style?detail=facebook
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So does this mean the end of the DCM (formerly CMP) and all the Lend/Lease M1 Garands?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/29/1234749/-POTUS-to-Close-Gun-Sale-Loophole-Executive-Style?detail=facebook
Probably.
However, nobody but American shooters can possibly have them, they don't have much modern military utility (yeah yeah... let's not go there, I even saw the pic of the FSA guy last week with one and a bandoleer of en bloc clips... everyone should know what I mean.) and hopefully the various foreign .govs will just sit on them for another three years waiting to see if there's a red-state POTUS and a reversal to see if they can be imported again.
The Garands in various warehouses have waited this long, they can wait a little longer.
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I even saw the pic of the FSA guy last week with one and a bandoleer of en bloc clips... everyone should know what I mean.)
I feel left out. :'(
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So does this mean the end of the DCM (formerly CMP) and all the Lend/Lease M1 Garands?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/29/1234749/-POTUS-to-Close-Gun-Sale-Loophole-Executive-Style?detail=facebook
What I learned from G98's post is that I may not be of the same species, let alone the same culture, as the commenters at Daily Kos. Holy moly, the most left-wing local liberals here can't hold a candle to them.
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Yeah, I hate using Daily Kos as a source of news, but the liberals here in the Madison area are crowing about how wonderful this Executive Order is, and using that blog as the definitive news feed.
Friggin' sad. Repatriated M1 Garands and M1903 Springfields - the source of all evil. ;/
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Probably.
However, nobody but American shooters can possibly have them, they don't have much modern military utility (yeah yeah... let's not go there, I even saw the pic of the FSA guy last week with one and a bandoleer of en bloc clips... everyone should know what I mean.) and hopefully the various foreign .govs will just sit on them for another three years waiting to see if there's a red-state POTUS and a reversal to see if they can be imported again.
The Garands in various warehouses have waited this long, they can wait a little longer.
How many Garands are out there in Korea, waiting for re-import? Millions, I think I recall. Not an insignificant chunk of change for the good Koreans.
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How many Garands are out there in Korea, waiting for re-import? Millions, I think I recall. Not an insignificant chunk of change for the good Koreans.
I'm unclear whether the DOD or CMP pays anything for the Garands they get back. Isn't it part of the terms of accepting our arms in the first place, that we get first right of return prior to any intent of destruction or sale to another party? And DOD still facilitates the international return of the weapons and turns them over to CMP, even though CMP is no longer DCM and government run?
Maybe Obama is arming the FSA/AQ folks with Garands and carbines, sort of like how he's arming the Mexican cartels. "Shooting the guns that Americans won't shoot?"
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Not sure what was expected from a bunch of gun ignorant people on that site.
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife
I saw this quote on that site. I guess it must really show you are an idiot when you quote idiots. That isn't why they called you a commie, stupid. There is a big step missing there, but I guess that is typical of leftist thought.