Greenwood IN Mall shooting

[WLJ]

[Ben]

^^^

Good one. 

[MechAg94]

I've seen a meme suggesting it was a Springfield Hellcat, but I've also heard G19.

I have heard it was a Hellcat lately also. 

[MechAg94]

The Dicken drill.   Garand Thumb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7Rb-EX4K4

I heard a variation of this to start at 50 yards and move forward to 40 yards before shooting. 

[Angel Eyes]

[WLJ]

Mom's Demand Action always sounds like a porn movie series to me.

[Angel Eyes]

The Dicken drill.   Garand Thumb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA7Rb-EX4K4

"Desert Snoring Institute"?

[Perd Hapley]

"Desert Snoring Institute"?

Probably a reference to this:

https://www.sdi.edu

They sponsor a bunch of guntubers.

[Hawkmoon]

"Desert Snoring Institute"?

Was this intended to be facetious? The Sonoran Desert Institute is a highly respected school of gunsmithing.

[Ben]

Was this intended to be facetious? The Sonoran Desert Institute is a highly respected school of gunsmithing.

Garand Thumb.

On the tangent, what's with all the guntubers growing porn 'staches?

Apparently Garand Thumb recently got out with a medical, and the first thing he did was grow a Black Rifle Coffee mustache. 

[Ben]

Also, is it just me, or has this pretty much disappeared from the news? This humble kid is now the ultimate definition of "good guy with a gun". Terrible thing for the MSM.

[K Frame]

Also, is it just me, or has this pretty much disappeared from the news? This humble kid is now the ultimate definition of "good guy with a gun". Terrible thing for the MSM.

It's not just you. It HAD to be removed from the news cycle as quickly as possible, otherwise more Americans might get the idea that they really can protect themselves and others.

That can't be permitted.

[Ben]

I just watched the GT video, which brought up something I wasn't thinking about: The shooter was a skinny ass (what the GT guys called a "twink"  ) guy who was likely bladed towards Eli. How much harder is that shot from 40 yards? Man. Seems like the Dicken Drill should be a 3' tall by 10" wide target. 

[WLJ]

Also, is it just me, or has this pretty much disappeared from the news?

Double narrative violation.
1) No MAGA hat found both literally and figuratively. Same can be said of the other recent shootings where you'll note pretty much all coverage of the shooters has disappeared. They're hardly even mentioned in reports now if at all.
2) The mall shooting as both you and others noted further violates the narrative in having a good guy with a gun.

[Hawkmoon]

Double narrative violation.
1) No MAGA hat found both literally and figuratively. Same can be said of the other recent shootings where you'll note pretty much all coverage of the shooters has disappeared. They're hardly even mentioned in reports now if at all.
2) The mall shooting as both you and others noted further violates the narrative in having a good guy with a gun.

And (3) Being highly effective with the aforementioned gun. If Dicken had been shot (or even killed) himself, the MSM would be creaming in their drawers about being able to report that a "good guy with a gun" failed to stop the shooting because he wasn't a highly-trained donut eater police officer..

[Angel Eyes]

Was this intended to be facetious? The Sonoran Desert Institute is a highly respected school of gunsmithing.

I'm fairly certain it was an attempt at humor.

[French G.]

I just watched the GT video, which brought up something I wasn't thinking about: The shooter was a skinny ass (what the GT guys called a "twink"  ) guy who was likely bladed towards Eli. How much harder is that shot from 40 yards? Man. Seems like the Dicken Drill should be a 3' tall by 10" wide target. 

Club I used to shoot at would have a whole lot of really close fast targets and then stick a few US poppers(the itty bitty ones) at 35 yards and maybe a few 6” plates. That was misery for many.

A bowling pin isn’t a terrible approximation of the vitals of a little bladed weirdo either.

[lee n. field]

I've seen a meme suggesting it was a Springfield Hellcat, but I've also heard G19.

A bit more hearsay from the mall people via Handgun Combatives: https://www.facebook.com/handguncombatives/posts/6036231626392140

A little bit more info from my friend in Indiana. Again, this is not verified, but there is no reason to think he is not being told what the source believes he is seeing. It is also possible he has a ten round magazine in a Glock 19. FYI only.

"More info from the guy at Simon Properties. He is somewhat familiar with the Glock line of handguns, and he's of the opinion that Eli Dicken did not have a 17. He thinks it looked more like a compact of some kind. (Eli was dressed in a T-shirt, shorts and sneakers.) He did say that in re-watching the footage, it looks like Eli's slide locked to the rear after his 10 shot string. So...that'd be what, a Model 48 or 43X? I asked if it looked like Eli reloaded and he said he couldn't tell from the camera angle on that video footage. It's all still a guess at this point, but I thought you'd want to know. "

As I said in an earlier post, we will know the real story once the investigation wraps up.

So, possibly a 43x or 48 if it is a Glock, seeing as it's not likely to be a stupid state compliant version of the G19.

[WLJ]

A bit more hearsay from the mall people via Handgun Combatives: https://www.facebook.com/handguncombatives/posts/6036231626392140

So, possibly a 43x or 48 if it is a Glock, seeing as it's not likely to be a stupid state compliant version of the G19.

G26 uses a 10rd mag and is far more concealable IMHO than those

[MechAg94]

Just to be clear, I was under the impression that he fired 10 rounds because that was all he needed, not that he ran out.  Did you see something different? 


I am curious about the gun he used, but isn't that important.  I think I will start carrying a gun with a red dot soon.  I need to make sure I check it out at 50 yards.  At the least, it will help me dial in the red dot better than I could at 15 yards.

[Perd Hapley]

Was this intended to be facetious? The Sonoran Desert Institute is a highly respected school of gunsmithing.

Finally got around to watching the video. They made a joke about the name as they were listing their sponsors.

[Ben]

Related:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/27/watch-restaurant-patrons-arent-bothered-by-guy-getting-beat-up-by-violent-thugs-until-the-victim-pulls-out-a-gun-to-defend-himself/

[Perd Hapley]

Related:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/07/27/watch-restaurant-patrons-arent-bothered-by-guy-getting-beat-up-by-violent-thugs-until-the-victim-pulls-out-a-gun-to-defend-himself/

Gun-toting white supremacist should have been informed that "everybody takes a beating sometimes."

[WLJ]

Gun-toting white supremacist should have been informed that "everbody takes white people deserve a beating sometimes."

FIFY

[MikeB]

So we had a Dicken Drill at an IDPA match today. Not legal IDPA stage so side match type thing. 40 yards off hand standing in a box 10 rounds in 15.30 secs or less at standard IDPA target. I hit 7 out 10 in about 12 seconds. It’s not a bad drill, but would be hard to justify self defense at that range in most circumstances.