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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: MillCreek on September 21, 2016, 12:59:35 PM
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http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/gun-super-owners/2016/09/21/id/749318/
Darn that unfortunate canoeing accident that would keep me off such a list.
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" . . . researchers asked participants for detailed information about their guns and ownership habits, such as the types of guns they have in their residence . . . "
And of course the people surveyed told these strangers everything. ;/
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If I counted right I JUST missed the cut...
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Oh brother. I can't wait till this gets to be the next pet project for progressives in congress. ;/
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"super owners," possessing from eight and 140 guns.
I'm trying to be a super-duper gun owner.
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I'm trying to be a super-duper gun owner.
Close to a super-duper squared.
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http://www.newsmax.com/TheWire/gun-super-owners/2016/09/21/id/749318/
Darn that unfortunate canoeing accident that would keep me off such a list.
The new survey said gun ownership has increased even though gun violence rates and crime in the United States have reportedly dropped. The survey suggested that self-defense was an important factor in the rise in gun ownership.
"The desire to own a gun for protection – there's a disconnect between that and the decreasing rates of lethal violence in this country," Matthew Miller, a Northeastern University and Harvard School of Public Health professor and one of study's authors, told The Guardian. "It isn't a response to actuarial reality."
Still (or again) ignoring the very real possibility that the decrease in violent crime may be attributable to the fact that bad guys are smart enough to avoid being shot when possible. I admit that there's no proof that the decrease in crime has been directly caused by the increase in the number of armed citizens -- but it's equally trie that we can't write off the possibility.
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So the number is 17+ and you are a super-owner?
Heck I have more than 17 1911 type Firearms, way more than 17 Revolvers, let's not even talk about Milsurp types, derringers, 22lr rifles, etc, etc. I'm almost halfway there on just NFA Firearms if you don't include suppressors.
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"The desire to own a gun for protection – there's a disconnect between that and the decreasing rates of lethal violence in this country," Matthew Miller, a Northeastern University and Harvard School of Public Health professor and one of study's authors, told The Guardian. "It isn't a response to actuarial reality."
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When says "actuarial", is he trying to say the odds of needing a gun to defend against violence are low enough that guns are not really necessary?
What about the actuarial reality of a fire or a Hurricane? Insurance isn't a response to actuarial reality.
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First, did they really say that 8 guns makes you a super-owner? ;/ Not even in the double digits, and they're super-users?
Gay LGBTQ
And their average is seventeen. Also ;/
A few days ago, I heard about a study that found the number of gun-owning households had increased by quite a bit in the past few years. Anybody else see that?
Also:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/21/journalists-need-skeptical-new-gun-study-ownership/
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Super owner?
I like being super. Do I get a fancy outfit and a cape?
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Super owner?
I like being super. Do I get a fancy outfit and a cape?
what are your super powers?
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Are you a gun 'super-owner'?
Yes.
And as the collecton has grown, I've had the opportunity to judge people's reactions, expressions, and body language to different answers. "20", "30", "40" etc.
I've since found "I'm not really sure" to be the answer that bothers them, or impresses them the most. =D
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I've since found "I'm not really sure" to be the answer that bothers them, or impresses them the most. =D
Not impressed. :P I'm not even an 8-gun super-owner, and I have to take my time adding them up in my noggin.
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Super owner?
I like being super. Do I get a fancy outfit and a cape?
No capes!
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I see a T-shirt marketing opportunity.
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I should never take my gun safes when canoeing....
Super owner?
I like being super. Do I get a fancy outfit and a cape?
No capes. (zxcvbob beat me to it, but I have the clip. :P)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R2aW03pwL0
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Yes.
And as the collecton has grown, I've had the opportunity to judge people's reactions, expressions, and body language to different answers. "20", "30", "40" etc.
I've since found "I'm not really sure" to be the answer that bothers them, or impresses them the most. =D
Same here. Though I had one ask about 'high capacity magazines' and I said "literally no idea, but I know I stopped counting just AR mags at 100...so...probably more than 200 and less than 1000"
Them: I meant magazines, not bullets
Me: so did I
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Same here. Though I had one ask about 'high capacity magazines' and I said "literally no idea, but I know I stopped counting just AR mags at 100...so...probably more than 200 and less than 1000"
Them: I meant magazines, not bullets
Me: so did I
That doesn't surprise me. I generally assume that someone who refers to modern ammunition as 'bullets' is not going to get what is and is not a lot of ammo anyway.
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(https://memecrunch.com/image/50492df0afa96f01e700048c.jpg?w=385)
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Another one about capes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHXtKRCqZCY
I'm not sure how many guns I have. It's about 15 or 20, probably closer to 15. So I don't know if I'm super or not ;/
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The very few friends close enough to ask that question either don't care or already know.
On the rare occasion a new acquaintance should ask that question I will pause, stare off into space for a few minutes, maybe move my lips like I'm mentally counting, then come back and say " I don't know for sure anymore, I'd have to count them."
Strangers or even worse, survey takers, either get no answer if I'm in a really good mood or "none of your damn business" if I'm not. I think the last time I was in a really good mood was Spring of '07.
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The "super-owners" start at 8 guns, people; 17 is the "average."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/19/us-gun-ownership-survey
They said super-owners have up to 140 guns. I guess above that you're a super-domestic-terrorist?
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I used to be above average and stayed that way for quite a while. Now, I just missed the cut-off because I helped out a friend.
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I used to be above average and stayed that way for quite a while. Now, I just missed the cut-off because I helped out a friend.
Moved out of Lake Woebegone, did you?
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The "super-owners" start at 8 guns, people; 17 is the "average."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/19/us-gun-ownership-survey
They said super-owners have up to 140 guns. I guess above that you're a super-domestic-terrorist?
It's funny when non-gun owners try to write about subjects like this. They don't even understand why it is easy and maybe even necessary to have easily a dozen guns or so. I would say 8 is about the minimum number off guns one should own.
.22lr rifle and pistol, AR or AK type, carry pistols - one full size and one small, a shotgun, a scoped large caliber, a Milsurp or two just cause you can't pass up the low cost, and/or a revolver or two if your carry gun isn't a revolver or a semi or two if revolver is your carry. There you are at 8 or even 10 with a very small reasonable collection allowing for a few different uses.
And that is without even getting into any real collecting of any type or brand where just having different calibers or age of different fireaarms can quickly add up. For example last I purposely counted I had at least one 1911 or 1911 type in over 20 different calibers.
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And all of those guns, plus ammo and accessories, still cost less than a new car and they last much longer.
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Moved out of Lake Woebegone, did you?
:rofl: Also, I think I just realized what the name means, if it is meant that way. :lol:
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Moved out of Lake Woebegone, did you?
Oh, they all moved out.
Keillor says the news from Lake Wobegon will go the way of so many small-town news outlets and vanish...
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/07/garrison-keillor-prairie-home-companion-chris-thile/399077/
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It's funny when non-gun owners try to write about subjects like this. They don't even understand why it is easy and maybe even necessary to have easily a dozen guns or so. I would say 8 is about the minimum number off guns one should own.
And yet, non-gun owners don't blink when they see a golfer playing with a WHOLE BAG of different clubs . . .
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I've since found "I'm not really sure" to be the answer that bothers them, or impresses them the most. =D
I use this answer whenever anyone asks me how many guns or cats I have: More than a couple.
(I got that reply from Jeepers Creepers a long time ago.)
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The very few friends close enough to ask that question either don't care or already know.
On the rare occasion a new acquaintance should ask that question I will pause, stare off into space for a few minutes, maybe move my lips like I'm mentally counting, then come back and say " I don't know for sure anymore, I'd have to count them."
Strangers or even worse, survey takers, either get no answer if I'm in a really good mood or "none of your damn business" if I'm not. I think the last time I was in a really good mood was Spring of '07.
Ditto. Really and truely, not sure. Hostile or MYOB questioners get an unhelpful non-answer answer.
It's easier for me to count calibers. So many .45s, so many nines, etc.
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We have the basic required guns:
22 target/plinker pistol
22 rifle
9mm carbine
9mm medium frame double stack auto
9mm large frame double stack auto
.38 spl large frame revolver
.44 Navy Black Powder Cap & Ball
Wanted:
AK variant
AR variant
mini pocket 9mm auto (6 or 7 shot)
Gone and not replaced due to $ and health issues:
My loved 8mm auto rifles, Hakim, FN49, and my .303 Enfields :-( (can't shoot anything with serious recoil due to high risk of detached retinas)
Terri's .44 Magnums (arthritis in her wrists has killed shooting the big revolvers for her) :-(
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We have the basic required guns:
22 target/plinker pistol
22 rifle
9mm carbine
9mm medium frame double stack auto
9mm large frame double stack auto
.38 spl large frame revolver
.44 Navy Black Powder Cap & Ball
Buy one more, and you're super. Ten more, and you're average super.
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Buy one more, and you're super. Ten more, and you're average super.
When everyone's super, no one is. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ)
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Ditto. Really and truely, not sure. Hostile or MYOB questioners get an unhelpful non-answer answer.
It's easier for me to count calibers. So many .45s, so many nines, etc.
I used to break it down by handguns calibers, rifles calibers and shotguns, but then Dad went into the bullpup and crazy pistols that used to be rifles phase and it screwed me all up.
I stopped being able to give an accurate head count about 5 or 6 years ago and that was a count that involved a lot of hemming, hawing and using fingers and toes to keep the count.
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I did a quick mental inventory. I have at least 16 handguns and 5 rifles (list may not be complete, I almost forgot the Nagant).
No shotguns, however; I should take care of that...
Ruger Old Army
S&W Model 15
Ruger Security Six
Taurus Gaucho .357
Keltec P3AT
Colt Police Positive
Webley .38 (post-war, not sure which model)
Ruger .22/45 Mk2 target model
Ruger Blackhawk .30
Ruger Bisley-Blackhawk .45
Ruger LCR
FM Hi Power (Argentina)
Walther P1
Nagant M1895
CZ 82 x 2
Remington 700
M1 Garand
Browning SA-22
Marlin 1894C .357
Ruger Mini-14
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Buy one more, and you're super. Ten more, and you're average super.
We will probably buy a High Point C9 as a car gun for Terri. Ya know, something that works but ya don't care if it gets beat up, or if the car gets stolen and it is stolen along with it. Fortunately, her car is low on the "steal me" list too and she is anal about locking it. That will put me back in with the "Cool guys" and I can hold my head up around here again... right?
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The study shows a decline in gun ownership from 25% to 22% since 1994, so the rate of gun ownership has indeed gone down slightly. But “fewer hands”? Not when you factor in population growth. The US population has gone from 263 million in ’94 to a present of about 313 million, which means that the absolute number of gun owners has risen by a few million. So no, there are not “more guns in fewer hands,” but “more guns in more hands.”
It’s also worth noting just how much this survey differs from the General Social Survey that’s cited by the Violence Policy Center to show a double-digit decline in gun ownership percentages in the past few decades. The General Social Survey is an outlier, and the Gallup survey of gun owners is a lot closer to the Harvard/Northeastern study numbers.
http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/09/20/harvard-study-guns-hands-women-shooters/
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I had to look up a new word, "concomitant".
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Uhh....yeah. I really should do some kind of inventory.
I'm not even sure I could list all the calibers off the top of my head. But I'm pretty sure I hit their (low) bar for superness.
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We will probably buy a High Point C9 as a car gun for Terri. Ya know, something that works but ya don't care if it gets beat up, or if the car gets stolen and it is stolen along with it. Fortunately, her car is low on the "steal me" list too and she is anal about locking it. That will put me back in with the "Cool guys" and I can hold my head up around here again... right?
Ballistic tests on the C9 are just not that good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap7jGAsN_wg
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Ballistic tests on the C9 are just not that good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ap7jGAsN_wg
Don't start with me, I'm armed for bear on THAT front, including thr FULL video that clip came from that actually shows the High Point to be better than one would think!
Hi-Point Torture test videos:
Check out this series of videos where these guys set out to destroy one to show what piles of junk they were and found out that it was almost indestructible!
Hi-Point Pistols: The Ultimate Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbvvurXmAmg
Hi-Point Pistols: The Ultimate Test RELOADED
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmt5QB814Tw
Hi-Point Pistols: The Ultimate Test MAN VS HI POINT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FoWpog5KU4
So what happened to that Hi Point?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_HXtEvjlGg
Hi-Point Pistols The Ultimate Test Part 4: Judgement Day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKkQm5TRaWE
PLEASE watch all of them for a real eye opening experience that will astound you and while it probably won't make ya run out and buy one you WILL have to have a much better opinion of the guns if you are honest with yourself to ANY degree.
Here is another of a series I just ran across with a nice real world evaluation of one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24Ch_IQg-io
And this one from Hickok45: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCNx0Ql2ZZw&ab_channel=hickok45
Even more:
Mud Run!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqgdAZJvdYE&ab_channel=J.Dalton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azs2Kk4Hphk&ab_channel=StudentoftheGun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkq7WdB-0LA
PS: I have nothing to do with the videos or Hi-Point. I am just a guy who has sold (formal FFL), owned and shot several. Here are the last 2 I owned:
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fherohog.com%2Fimages%2Fguns%2FHiPointC9.jpg&hash=2a32b3ae5526d4acd0c6164c9bfcac9f84f437a3)
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fherohog.com%2Fimages%2Fguns%2F995TS.jpg&hash=45373a51a5b75ddaac238996b80883e4cc1932d1)
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Don't take it too seriously, just havin' fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQk244oW9c
:p
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Don't take it too seriously, just havin' fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjQk244oW9c
:p
I should of included a smiley face. Trust me, I'm FAR from bothered/triggered/peeved or needing a "safe space." ;/