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Title: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: Ben on February 08, 2017, 12:15:52 PM
This story is from 30,000 feet, and it appears the evidence is considered circumstantial, but it's an interesting debate question. Someone without a pacemaker might have gotten away with this. Also, when things like artificial hearts are the norm, there's going to be a lot of stored data available, primarily for medical monitoring, but - slippery slope. Kind of creates a situation where people who have natural organs replaced could have less rights than those who don't.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/08/police-use-data-on-mans-pacemaker-to-charge-him-with-ohio-arson.html
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: KD5NRH on February 08, 2017, 12:35:32 PM
Kind of creates a situation where people who have natural organs replaced could have less rights than those who don't.

But unfortunately, we don't yet restrict the rights of people with poor grammar.   [ar15]
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: Ben on February 08, 2017, 12:44:47 PM
But unfortunately, we don't yet restrict the rights of people with poor grammar.   [ar15]

Or homemade jack stands.
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: MechAg94 on February 08, 2017, 02:25:01 PM
But unfortunately, we don't yet restrict the rights of people with poor grammar.   [ar15]
Maybe you should make a sentence diagramming app for android phones.   =)
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: MechAg94 on February 08, 2017, 02:30:16 PM
I suspect the gasoline on his clothing is more critical evidence along with all the stuff he packed in his car during his "escape" from the fire.

I do wonder why they say the fire caused $400,000 in damage.  For most people, that is a new house (or two).

Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: RoadKingLarry on February 08, 2017, 04:58:47 PM
Or homemade jack stands.

That tends to be a self correcting situation.
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: TechMan on February 08, 2017, 05:21:44 PM
I suspect the gasoline on his clothing is more critical evidence along with all the stuff he packed in his car during his "escape" from the fire.

I do wonder why they say the fire caused $400,000 in damage.  For most people, that is a new house (or two).



That is up the way from me and $400,000 in that town would mean it is a palace.

ETA:
Quote from: From another article
The fire caused about $400,000 in damages to the structure and contents of the 2,000-square-foot home on Court Donegal, according to Deputy Fire Chief Jeff Spaulding.

Here is the county auditor's info on the home value: http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/PT/Datalets/Datalet.aspx?sIndex=0&idx=29 (http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/PT/Datalets/Datalet.aspx?sIndex=0&idx=29)  They list the value at $110,480, I wonder what his contents were to bring the total up to $400,000.
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: KD5NRH on February 08, 2017, 05:28:08 PM
Here is the county auditor's info on the home value: http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/PT/Datalets/Datalet.aspx?sIndex=0&idx=29 (http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/PT/Datalets/Datalet.aspx?sIndex=0&idx=29)  They list the value at $110,480, I wonder what his contents were to bring the total up to $400,000.

What, you don't keep a quarter mil in completely undocumented cash in your sock drawer?
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: Jim147 on February 08, 2017, 06:16:56 PM
What, you don't keep a quarter mil in completely undocumented cash in your sock drawer?

Not anymore.
Title: Re: Pacemakers as Evidence in a Crime
Post by: MechAg94 on February 08, 2017, 06:27:53 PM
That is up the way from me and $400,000 in that town would mean it is a palace.

ETA:
Here is the county auditor's info on the home value: http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/PT/Datalets/Datalet.aspx?sIndex=0&idx=29 (http://propertysearch.butlercountyohio.org/PT/Datalets/Datalet.aspx?sIndex=0&idx=29)  They list the value at $110,480, I wonder what his contents were to bring the total up to $400,000.

Since he likely will get convicted of arson, I imagine the false contents claim will go unpaid also.