Author Topic: Is this electric car still environmentally friendly? (Read 12500 times)

Manedwolf · « **on:** January 17, 2008, 10:20:30 AM »

GEM Neighborhood Electric Vehicle on the UC Riverside campus. Yay lithium fire!

They'll never be carbon-neutral now! cheesy

Paddy · « **Reply #1 on:** January 17, 2008, 10:24:43 AM »

Of course you never see bigazz SUV's roll over and burn. rolleyes

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #2 on:** January 17, 2008, 10:25:57 AM »

At least not ones stuffed with a couple hundred pounds of lithium- or cadmium-filled batteries.

Brad

Manedwolf · « **Reply #3 on:** January 17, 2008, 10:28:53 AM »

Yes, if you try to put out a lithium fire with anything but a class-D extinguisher, you'll just make it worse.

A lot of people don't realize that.

charby · « **Reply #4 on:** January 17, 2008, 10:29:16 AM »

What kind of fire would this produce?

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #5 on:** January 17, 2008, 10:34:55 AM »

One that smells like beer?

Brad

Paddy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:40:18 AM »

Well, if the thing is 100% electric powered, and you produce that electricity in a nuclear plant, then the thing contributes zero emissions. Yet you have a problem with it because one of them caught fire.

mfree · « **Reply #7 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:42:05 AM »

Actually, many of them have caught fire. I was reading a related article and this is the third or fourth one, including a park service vehicle that burnt the store/cafe at the Presidio.

Brad Johnson · « **Reply #8 on:** January 17, 2008, 09:47:17 AM »

Quote from: RileyMc on January 17, 2008, 08:40:18 AM

Well, if the thing is 100% electric powered, and you produce that electricity in a nuclear plant, then the thing contributes zero emissions.

Unfortunately, the same greenies who've tried shoving electro-mobiles down our throats have also been instrumental in putting the clamp on more nuclear power. Chances are only a small percentage of the power used the charge the batteries was from nuclear. That's not including the power used for, and the waste generated by, manufacturing battery packs which contain a cornucopia of nasties.

Brad

AmbulanceDriver · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2008, 01:04:23 PM »

Quote from: charby on January 17, 2008, 09:29:16 AM

What kind of fire would this produce?

grampster · « **Reply #10 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:10:03 PM »

That weenie, Breck Girl Edwards says he'll make sure we never build another nuclear power plant in America. rolleyes

Bigjake · « **Reply #11 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:17:08 PM »

That would be the only political instance where the little bastard deviates from the French...

Paddy · « **Reply #12 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:17:24 PM »

Quote from: grampster on January 17, 2008, 01:10:03 PM

That weenie, Breck Girl Edwards says he'll make sure we never build another nuclear power plant in America. rolleyes

Are you sure? Can that be verified? Because if true, it's absolutely stupid. I mean stoooopid. WTH does he propose we do for electricity?

K Frame · « **Reply #13 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:34:53 PM »

"WTH does he propose we do for electricity?"

Electricity?

The stupid SOB will tax people so heavily that they won't be able to afford electricity.

As for Edwards' stance on nuclear energy, he didn't come out and say that he'll make sure we never build another nuke plant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-MPuF2WIVQ

Dntsycnt · « **Reply #14 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:35:21 PM »

Don't you know nuclear power plants routinely blow up and leave a radioactive crater? All it takes is one terrorist with a .50 cal airplane-killer round and America is done for.

K Frame · « **Reply #15 on:** January 17, 2008, 02:36:10 PM »

Be sure to read this, too...

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2007/07/john-edwards-re.html

drewtam · « **Reply #16 on:** January 17, 2008, 06:45:42 PM »

Quote from: Brad Johnson on January 17, 2008, 08:47:17 AM

Unfortunately, the same greenies who've tried shoving electro-mobiles down our throats have also been instrumental in putting the clamp on more nuclear power. Chances are only a small percentage of the power used the charge the batteries was from nuclear. That's not including the power used for, and the waste generated by, manufacturing battery packs which contain a cornucopia of nasties.

Brad

The winds of change are blowing...
...from Sierra Club member:
http://www.amazon.com/Power-Save-World-Nuclear-Energy/dp/0307266567/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1200631321&sr=1-1

Paddy · « **Reply #17 on:** January 17, 2008, 07:02:05 PM »

Thanks for those links, Mike. Opposition to nuclear energy relegates the U.S. to either third world status, or continuing down the destructive path of international military action, IMO.

OTOH, maybe he was just pandering to a blissninny anti nuker. Who knows. undecided

geronimotwo · « **Reply #18 on:** January 18, 2008, 02:41:54 AM »

Quote

They'll never be carbon-neutral now!

carefull, someone might think you're protesting the use of plastics in the automotive industry!

280plus · « **Reply #19 on:** January 18, 2008, 04:13:24 AM »

Depends on what efficiency it is burning at?

K Frame · « **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2008, 04:55:56 AM »

Judging by the black smoke, the carb needs to be adjusted...

Which brings us to the question...

If an electric car pollutes, and the greenies aren't offended, does a baby seal die in Canada?

Sergeant Bob · « **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2008, 05:49:00 AM »

I think they'll need a few more fire extinguishers to put out that Car-B-Que. grin

280plus · « **Reply #22 on:** January 18, 2008, 06:35:12 AM »

Kinds looks like the extinguishers are standing there watching saying, "OOO, man! What a FIRE!" laugh

Manedwolf · « **Reply #23 on:** January 18, 2008, 06:37:47 AM »

Quote from: 280plus on January 18, 2008, 05:35:12 AM

Kinds looks like the extinguishers are standing there watching saying, "OOO, man! What a FIRE!" laugh

Well, spraying an ABC extinguisher, even CO and halon, on a lithium fire will just make it angry. Any exposed metal will react violently and explode at you.

Class D Copper Powder is the only kind that can put out a lithium fire.

280plus · « **Reply #24 on:** January 18, 2008, 06:43:17 AM »

Did not know that...I would have thought class C would work.

How about sand? We considered that class D when I was in the Nav.

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