The Gun Control Bandwagon

[Ben]

When your side can't even win a Politico poll (maybe this should have gone in the "pro gun "topic). 

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/02/28/narrative-busted-new-polling-on-armed-teachers-is-not-what-dems-want-to-hear/

[bedlamite]

Dick's sporting good is living up to their namesake again. Will no longer sell semiauto firearms or "high capacity" magazines and will NOT sell any firearm to under 21 years old.

Didn't they already do that after the Sandy Hook shooting?

[MikeB]

Didn't they already do that after the Sandy Hook shooting?

Yes. They did still sell them in the Field and Stream stores though; they are supposedly stopping that now.

Also they will now not sell handguns to 18 to 21 year olds anymore? Who knew they were breaking that law all this time! 

[Blakenzy]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-28/were-going-take-stand-dicks-stops-selling-assault-rifles-permanently

... and this time it's purmanint!

“The whole hunting business is an important part of our business, and we know there is going to be backlash on this,” said Mr. Stack. “But we’re willing to accept that.”

[Perd Hapley]

Does Dick's sell wedding cakes?

[TechMan]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-28/were-going-take-stand-dicks-stops-selling-assault-rifles-permanently

... and this time it's purmanint!

Quote from the comments in the above link: 

Dick's makes gun show shysters look respectable!

[MikeB]

I’ve decided to support the proposed 21 age for gun purchases. If kids under 21 aren’t responsible enough to own guns then we should make the age 21 for everything, voting, tobacco, gettings unrestricted drivers license, sign contracts, etc. Make all adult actions the same age. But I think the age should be 35.

[HeroHog]

I’ve decided to support the proposed 21 age for gun purchases. If kids under 21 aren’t responsible enough to own guns then we should make the age 21 for everything, voting, tobacco, gettings unrestricted drivers license, sign contracts, etc. Make all adult actions the same age. But I think the age should be 35.

The draft/military service...

[MechAg94]

I’ve decided to support the proposed 21 age for gun purchases. If kids under 21 aren’t responsible enough to own guns then we should make the age 21 for everything, voting, tobacco, gettings unrestricted drivers license, sign contracts, etc. Make all adult actions the same age. But I think the age should be 35.

More or less my point to a few different people.  The line needs to be drawn somewhere.  At some point, a kid needs to be declared an adult and they get to have all the privileges and rights of an adult.  It used to be 18.  So much stuff has been pushed to a higher age, it isn't really 18 anymore.  I wonder if they will move the statutory rape age up to 21 also. 

[makattak]

I wonder if they will move the statutory rape age up to 21 also. 

No, because liberals are nothing if not consistently inconsistent.

Liberals: "An 18 year old is a CHILD! No CHILD should be able to guy a gun!"

Also Liberals: "A 14 year old is TOTALLY mature enough to decide (with no parental involvement) to kill her baby because it's a scary thing to be pregnant."

Liberals: "You're a monster to suggest that anyone under 27 ought to be responsible for buying their own insurance!"

Also Liberals: "It was completely consensual for that 13 year old to have sex with Roman Polanski. She WANTED it."

Liberals: "There's no way we should be letting 16 year olds drive on their own! Who knows what reckless thing they might do, ESPECIALLY if surrounded by their friends!"

Also Liberals: "We should lower the voting age to 16. 16 year olds have a much better ability to detect BS than adults."

(I can go on...)

[Ben]

More or less my point to a few different people.  The line needs to be drawn somewhere.  At some point, a kid needs to be declared an adult and they get to have all the privileges and rights of an adult.  It used to be 18.  So much stuff has been pushed to a higher age, it isn't really 18 anymore.  I wonder if they will move the statutory rape age up to 21 also. 

I would just add that they then have all the responsibilities as well. The way they're talking with the "voting at 16" thing, is that they just want kids to have the "rights' because they "deserve" them, but they don't talk about all the responsibilities and potential consequences of making adult decisions. If a 16 year old votes for a 75% tax rate, they don't have to pay it. If a 16 year old rips me off on a contract, I can't do anything about it.

If you talk the talk, you have to walk the walk.

[Perd Hapley]

"Full semi-automatic".

https://twitchy.com/bethb-313034/2018/02/26/cnn-now-thinks-a-full-semi-automatic-ar-15-exists-and-the-gun-industry-is-astonished/

Come on. Doesn't anyone have this engraved on a lower yet?

[Kingcreek]

I'm in favor of declaring one age of majority. If it's 21 to drink alcohol or buy a full semi auto black rifle or whatever fine, but by gawd they shouldn't be allowed to vote until then either.

[MikeB]

 i caught the last bit of some meeting Trump was having with a bunch of legislatures. I didn't like 90% of what I was hearing and with how happy Feinstien looked this is not good. Of course Manchin and Toomey are back at it again with their "Background Check" bill. At this point I think we are looking at some new gun control laws unless some in the Senate or Congress can blow this up. BTW Trump told them not to put the Concealed Carry Reciprocity in the bill, to try and do that separately, so we won't likely even have an upside to whatever nonsense comes out of this.

[Ben]

I'm not feeling great about this:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/02/28/wtf-i-love-trump-now-so-will-dems-and-gun-control-advocates-praise-trump-for-this-video/

It may just be Trump playing to the crowd, but maybe not.  I guess the only way to know for sure will be based on what he signs and doesn't sign.

JUST NOW: "I like taking the guns early," President Trump says. "Take the guns first, go through due process second."

[DittoHead]

i caught the last bit of some meeting Trump was having with a bunch of legislatures.

What I saw was not good, Trump was just agreeing with any dumb idea anyone brought up. I mean, I'm not too worried about any bill actually passing but still. 

“Take the guns first, go through due process second,”

[slingshot]

Trump seemed to be agreeing with just about every one in that so called bipartisan meeting.  That bothers me a great deal.  They seemed to be pushing the 21 year age minimum for rifles.  If this goes further and I think it will unless the Dems bundle up a lot of restrictive crap in the same bill.  So, if the 21 thing gets placed in legislation that has a chance of passing, I would suggest that they include only center fire semi-auto rifle purchases with that minimum age.

They talked about mentally ill people not owning guns.... well I already thought they couldn't.  Hence they want to relax the designation which I am somewhat uncomfortable with unless it is very carefully worded.  I see the CA thing possibly happening based on law enforcement action or at least a temporary restraining order.

The one guy was pushing outlawing all "assault rifles".....  that wouldn't get far as full auto rifles aren't even outlawed.

Let's not forget universal background checks.  That pesky old gun show loophole that isn't a loophole.... 

IF they go with universal background checks, I would suggest that there be no cost to the person doing the checking and no fees to FFL dealers just to get some piece of paper saying you have no criminal record.

[Perd Hapley]

The Democratic push for gun control is a perfect opportunity for Congressional Republicans to make their case for re-election. "Vote for us in 2018, or they'll confiscate every gun you own!"

Perhaps Trump finally, at long last, wants to become a real Republican, by snatching defeat from the jaws, and the full, pouting lips of victory.

[Scout26]

Trump seemed to be agreeing with just about every one in that so called bipartisan meeting.  That bothers me a great deal.  They seemed to be pushing the 21 year age minimum for rifles.  If this goes further and I think it will unless the Dems bundle up a lot of restrictive crap in the same bill.  So, if the 21 thing gets placed in legislation that has a chance of passing, I would suggest that they include only center fire semi-auto rifle purchases with that minimum age.

They talked about mentally ill people not owning guns.... well I already thought they couldn't.  Hence they want to relax the designation which I am somewhat uncomfortable with unless it is very carefully worded.  I see the CA thing possibly happening based on law enforcement action or at least a temporary restraining order.

The one guy was pushing outlawing all "assault rifles".....  that wouldn't get far as full auto rifles aren't even outlawed.

Let's not forget universal background checks.  That pesky old gun show loophole that isn't a loophole.... 

IF they go with universal background checks, I would suggest that there be no cost to the person doing the checking and no fees to FFL dealers just to get some piece of paper saying you have no criminal record.

He did the same thing with the Immigration meeting (Before Durbin torpedoed any chance of compromise with the "sh!thole" allegation).

I would bet that at worst we get the "Fix NICS" bill, and if we are really lucky we the "Fix NICS" bill with reciprocity.

Strong bet:  Bumpstocks are gone (ATF has been working on rule making since LV).  And rumour has it that the D's are going to go against "Fix NICS"  because "It doesn't go far enough".  So nothing gets done.

[Ben]

I do hope Trump gets some behind the scenes guidance from his sons to understand potential consequences of much of this "feel good" stuff. On universal background checks for example, what's to keep us from being charged $50/gun unless some specific language is inserted to cap the costs? In CA, there are wildly swinging costs on the private party transfer through FFLs. I know I've seen some dealers quote as much as $75, while others charge $15.

[MikeB]

He did the same thing with the Immigration meeting (Before Durbin torpedoed any chance of compromise with the "sh!thole" allegation).

I would bet that at worst we get the "Fix NICS" bill, and if we are really lucky we the "Fix NICS" bill with reciprocity.

Strong bet:  Bumpstocks are gone (ATF has been working on rule making since LV).  And rumour has it that the D's are going to go against "Fix NICS"  because "It doesn't go far enough".  So nothing gets done.

Trump said he was going to do an EO on bump stocks. I’m not sure that is legal, but I’ve thought that about a lot of EOs by many Presidents. The problem is in challenging them. I do t particularly care about numb stocks either; but still don’t like the idea of an EO being used.

[BlueStarLizzard]

I'm not sure I give a crap what Trump is or is not saying.

What are the numbers in the House and Senate on this stuff? Because that's what matters (well, other than the possible EO)

[Angel Eyes]

Trump said he was going to do an EO on bump stocks. I’m not sure that is legal, but I’ve thought that about a lot of EOs by many Presidents. The problem is in challenging them. I do t particularly care about numb stocks either; but still don’t like the idea of an EO being used.

An EO might be used to ban importation of bumpstocks, as George H.W. Bush did with importing small handguns.  Not sure if any bumpstocks are imported.

[MikeB]

An EO might be used to ban importation of bumpstocks, as George H.W. Bush did with importing small handguns.  Not sure if any bumpstocks are imported.

Yeah I question the legality of that one too. Didn’t they claim the old sporting purposes to justify that one?

[Angel Eyes]

Yeah I question the legality of that one too. Didn’t they claim the old sporting purposes to justify that one?

If they did, they could just as easily use it to justify a bumpstock ban.

"Sporting purpose" means whatever the government wants it to mean.