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For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse. Because knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, and didn’t give thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 10:20:48 PM »
Thank you. This may be the most important speech I’ve ever made. I want to provide an update on our ongoing efforts to expose the tremendous voter fraud and irregularities which took place during the ridiculously long November 3rd elections. We used to have what was called, election day. Now we have election days, weeks, and months, and lots of bad things happened during this ridiculous period of time, especially when you have to prove almost nothing to exercise our greatest privilege, the right to vote. As President, I have no higher duty to defend the laws and the Constitution of the United States. That is why I am determined to protect our election system, which is now under coordinated assault and siege.

For months, leading up to the Presidential election, we were warned that we should not declare a premature victory. We were told repeatedly that it would take weeks if not, months, to determine the winner, to count the absentee ballots and to verify the results. My opponent was told to stay away from the election, don’t campaign. “We don’t need you. We’ve got it. This election is done.” In fact, they were acting like they already knew what the outcome was going to be. They had it covered and perhaps they did, very sadly for our country. It was all very, very strange. Within days after the election, we witnessed an orchestrated effort to anoint the winner even while many key states were still being counted.

The constitutional process must be allowed to continue. We’re going to defend the honesty of the vote by ensuring that every legal ballot is counted and that no illegal ballot is counted. This is not just about honoring the votes of 74 million Americans who voted for me, it’s about ensuring that Americans can have faith in this election and in all future elections.

Today I will detail some of the shocking irregularities, abuses and fraud that had been revealed in recent weeks but before laying out just a small portion of the evidence we have uncovered, and we have so much evidence, I want to explain the corrupt mail-in balloting scheme that Democrats systematically put into place that allowed voting to be altered, especially in swing states, which they had to win. They just didn’t know that it was going to be that tough, because we were leading in every swing state by so much, far greater than they ever thought possible. While it has long been understood that the Democrat political machine engages in voter fraud from Detroit to Philadelphia, to Milwaukee, Atlanta, so many other places. What changed this year was the Democrat party’s relentless push to print and mail out tens of millions of ballots sent to unknown recipients with virtually no safeguards of any kind. This allowed fraud and abuse to occur in a scale never seen before. Using the pandemic as a pretext, Democrat politicians and judges drastically changed election procedures just months, and in some cases, weeks before the election on the 3rd of November.

Very rarely were legislatures involved and constitutionally, they had to be involved, but very, very rarely, and you’ll see that as we continue to file our suits, it’s constitutionally, absolutely incorrect what took place, even from a legal standpoint. Many states, such as Nevada and California sent millions of live ballots to every person on their voter rolls whether those individuals had requested ballots or not, whether they were dead or alive, they got ballots. Other states such as Minnesota, Michigan, and Wisconsin, instituted universal absentee balloting right in the middle of an election year, sending absentee ballot requests forms to all voters on all rolls. It didn’t matter who they were. This colossal expansion of mail-in voting opened the flood gates to massive fraud. It’s a widely known fact that the voting rolls are packed with people who are not lawfully eligible to vote, including those who are deceased, have moved out of their state, and even our non-citizens of our country.

Beyond this, the records are riddled with errors, wrong addresses, duplicate entries, and many other issues. This is not disputed. It has never been disputed. Dozens of counties in the key swing states have more registered voters on the rolls than they have voting age citizens, including 67 counties in Michigan. All of this is evidence. In Wisconsin, the state’s Board of Elections could not confirm the residency of more than 100,000 people, but repeatedly refused to remove those names from its voter rolls before the election. They knew why, nobody else did. I knew why. They were illegal voters. It is a travesty that in the year 2020, we do not have any means of verifying the eligibility of those who cast ballots in an election and such an important election it is, or determining who they are, whether they live in the state or whether they’re even American citizens. We have no idea.

We have an in all swing states major infractions or outright fraud, which is far more in numbers or votes then we need to overturn the results of a state. In other words, in Wisconsin, as an example, where we were way up on election night, they ultimately had us miraculously losing by 20,000 votes. I can show you right here, that Wisconsin, we’re leading by a lot and then at 3:42 in the morning, there was this, it was a massive dump of votes, mostly Biden, almost all Biden. To this day, everyone’s trying to figure out, “Where did it come from?” But I went from leading by a lot, to losing by a little and that’s right here. That’s at 3:42 in the morning, that’s Wisconsin, a terrible thing, terrible, terrible thing.

But we will have far more, many times more than the 20,000 votes needed to overturn the state. If we are right about the fraud, Joe Biden can’t be president. We’re talking about hundreds of thousands of votes. We’re talking about numbers like nobody has ever seen before. Just as an example, in certain states, we’ll be down by, let’s say, 7,000 votes, but we’ll find later on 20,000, 50,000, 100,00, 200,000 discrepancies or fraudulent votes, and that includes votes that went through when they were not allowed to be seen by Republican poll watchers, because the poll watchers were locked out of the building. Or people that innocently came to vote on November 3rd, who were all excited about their vote, they were happy. They were proud to be citizens of the United States of America, and they went up and they said, “I’d like to vote.” They were told that they can’t vote. “I’m sorry,” they were told, “I’m sorry. You’ve already voted by mail-in ballot. Congratulations. We received a ballot, so you can no longer vote.”

They didn’t know what to do. They had no one to complain to, most just left and said, “That’s strange.” But many people complained and complained vehemently, and in a lot of cases, they filled out a provisional ballot, which was almost never used, but in virtually every case was a vote for Trump. In other words, they went in to vote and they were told that they voted and they didn’t vote. They left and they felt horror and they lost respect for our system. This happened tens of thousands of times all over the country. That’s how desperate the Democrats were. They would fill out ballots of people not even knowing if these people were going to show up. When they did show up, they said, “Sorry, you’ve already voted.”

On top of everything else, we have a company that’s very suspect. It’s name is Dominion, with the turn of a dial or the change of a chip, you could press a button for Trump and the vote goes to Biden. What kind of a system is this? We have to go to paper, maybe it takes longer. But the only secure system is paper. Not these systems that nobody understands, including in many cases, the people that run them. Although, unfortunately, I think they understand them far too well.

In one Michigan County, as an example, that used Dominion systems, they found that nearly 6,000 votes had been wrongly switched from Trump to Biden, and this is just the tip of the iceberg. This is what we caught. How many didn’t we catch? Are there 100s of other examples throughout the country? Are there 1000s? We just got lucky and they called it a glitch, but we found numerous glitches that evening. 96% of the company’s political donations went to Democrats, not surprisingly. Frankly, when you look at who’s running the company, who’s in charge, who owns it, which we don’t know, where are the votes counted? Which we think are counted in foreign countries, not in the United States, Dominion is a disaster. Election authorities in Texas have repeatedly blocked the deployment of Dominion systems due to concerns about security vulnerabilities and the potential for errors and outright fraud. Every district that uses Dominion systems must be carefully  monitored and carefully investigated, but not only for the future. Right now, we’re worried about the present, and what went on with an election that we won without question. Under my lead, the Republicans won almost every state house in the United States, which they weren’t expected to do. We went up to 16 seats in the house. The numbers are still being tabulated, because there are nine seats that nobody really knows. They don’t know. Two weeks later, it’s still under consideration, because it’s a mess. Republicans were supposed to lose many seats, and instead they won those seats in the house, and a very important election that’s coming up will determine whether, or not we hold the Senate.

David Perdue and Kelly Leffler are two tremendous people. Unfortunately, in Georgia, they’re using the same horrible Dominion system, and it’s already been out that, think of it, hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots have been requested. You check it out who’s requesting those ballots. The difference is, it’s one state, and we will have our eyes on it like nobody’s ever watched anything before, because we have to win those two Senate seats. The tremendous success we had in the House of Representatives, and the tremendous success we’ve had so far in the Senate, unexpected success all over the country, and right here in Washington.

It is statistically impossible that the person, me, that led the charge lost. The greatest pollsters, the real pollsters, not the ones that had us down 17 points in Wisconsin when we actually won, or the ones that had us down four or five points in Florida, and we won by many points, or had us even, and down in Texas, and we won by a lot, not those pollsters, but real pollsters. Pollsters that are fair, and honest said, “We can’t understand a thing like this. It’s never happened before. You led the country to victory, and you were the only one that was lost. It’s not possible.”

The speaker of the house of a certain state said, “Sir, I expected to lose my seat, and instead, because of you, and because of that incredible charge, and all of those rallies, we had a tremendous victory, and everybody knows it. You are much more popular than me, sir, except I got many more votes than you did, and it’s impossible that that happened. There is something wrong.” I’ll tell you what’s wrong, voter fraud. Here’s an example. This is Michigan. At 6:31 in the morning, a vote dump of 149,772 votes came in unexpectedly. We were winning by a lot. That batch was received in horror.

Nobody knows anything about it. By the way, there’s your line. This is one of many. Here’s what is normal, and all of a sudden, look at that. This is normal, normal. Look even here, normal, and then boom, all of a sudden, I go from winning by a lot to losing a tight race. It’s corrupt. Detroit is corrupt. I have a lot of friends in Detroit. They know it, but Detroit is totally corrupt. Look at this, look at this. That’s at 6:31 in the morning, unexpectedly came in. In the recent recount in Georgia, which means nothing because they don’t want to check signatures, and if you’re not going to check signatures in Georgia, it doesn’t work, but we have a secretary of state, and a governor who made it very difficult to check signatures.

Why? You’ll have to ask them, but without a signature match, or a check, it doesn’t matter. They found thousands and thousands of votes that were out of whack, all against me. This was during a recount that I didn’t even think mattered. They found many thousands of votes, and that recount didn’t matter. The one that matters is the one that’s going on now, that because of the fact it’s so close, they had to by law give another recount, but the recount has to be a recount where they check the signatures. Otherwise, they’re just checking the same dishonest thing. It won’t matter.

For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse. Because knowing God, they didn’t glorify him as God, and didn’t give thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.

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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 10:21:34 PM »
In this case, the signatures on envelopes are the only thing that is relevant. We will compare the signature on the envelope to the signatures from past elections, and we will find that many thousands of people signed these ballots illegally. The Democrats had this election rigged right from the beginning. They used the pandemic, sometimes referred to as the China virus, where it originated as an excuse to mail out tens of millions of ballots, which ultimately led to a big part of the fraud, a fraud that the whole world is watching, and there is no one happier right now than China.

Many people received two, three and four ballots. They were sent to dead people by the thousands. In fact, dead people, and we have many examples filled out ballots, made applications, and then, voted, which is even worse. In other words, dead people went through a process. Some have been dead for 25 years. Millions of votes were cast illegally in the swing states alone, and if that’s the case, the results of the individual swing states must be overturned, and overturned immediately. Some people say that’s too far out, that’s too harsh. Well, does that mean we take a precedent, and we’ve just elected a president where the votes were fraudulent?

No, it means you have to turn over the election, and everybody knows without going much further, and they’ve seen the evidence, but they don’t want to talk about it what a disaster this election was, a total catastrophe, but we’re going to show it, and hopefully, the courts in particular, the Supreme Court of the United States will see it, and respectfully, hopefully, they will do what’s right for our country, because our country can not live with this kind of an election. We could say, let’s go on to the next one, but no, we have to look also at our past. We can’t let this happen.

Maybe you’ll have a revote, but I don’t think that’s appropriate. When those votes are corrupt, when they’re irregular, when they get caught, they’re terminated, and I very easily win. In all states, I very easily win, the swing states, just like I won them at 10 o’clock in the evening, the evening of the election. We’re not looking to show you 25 faulty or fraudulent votes, which don’t mean anything, because it doesn’t overturn the state, or a fifty, or a hundred. We’re showing you hundreds of thousands far more than we need, far more than the margin, far more than the law requires. We can show many times what is necessary to win the state.

The media knows this, but they don’t want to report it. In fact, they outright refuse to even cover it, because they know the result if they do. Even what I’m saying now will be demeaned and disparaged, but that’s okay. I just keep on going forward, because I’m representing 74 million people, and in fact, I’m also representing all of the people that didn’t vote for me. The mail-in voting scam is the latest part of their four year effort to overturn the results of the 2016 election, and it’s been like living in hell. Our opponents have proven many times again and again, that they will say, and do anything to get back into power.

The corrupt forces who are registering dead voters and stuffing ballot boxes are the same people who have perpetrated one phony and fraudulent hoax after another. You’ve been watching it now for four years. These entrenched interests oppose our movement, because we put America first. They don’t put America first, and we’re returning power to you the American people. They don’t want America first, they only want power for themselves. They want to make money, that’s why they don’t want me as your president. I’ve been investigated from soon after I announced I was running for president. When I immediately went to number one in the Republican primary polls, the investigations never stopped. They went on for four years, and I won them all, I beat them all. Russia, Russia, Russia, the impeachment hoax, and so much more. Robert Mueller spent $48 million of taxpayer money investigating me for two and a half years, issued over 2,800 subpoenas, executed nearly 500 search warrants, issued 230 orders for communications records, and conducted 500 witness interviews, all looking to take me down. There was no collusion in the end, none whatsoever. Senator Marco Rubio, the head of the Senate Intelligence Committee stated, “The committee found no evidence that then candidate Donald Trump, or his campaign colluded with the Russian government.” And, I thank Senator Rubio for that statement.

Now, I hear that these same people that failed to get me in Washington have sent every piece of information to New York, so that they can try to get me there. It’s all been gone over, over and over again. For $48 million you go through tax returns, you go through everything. The New York attorney general, who recently ran for office campaigned without knowing me stating, “We will join with law enforcement and other attorneys general across this nation in removing this president from office.” I never met her. “It’s important that everybody understands”, she said, “that the days of Donald Trump are coming to an end.” And all it’s been is a big investigation in Washington and New York and any place else that can investigate because that’s what they want to do. They want to take not me, but us down. Then we can never let them do that. Everything has been looked at. A friend of mine, who’s very smart, said, “You’ve probably seen more than anybody else. You’ve probably been investigated more than anybody else. And for you to come out with a clean bill of health makes you probably the cleanest person in this country.”

Some people in this administration, but fortunately not all have been beaten down and disparaged. They just disappeared. Nobody knows what happened to them. Why aren’t they active? Why aren’t they involved? There’s so much to be involved in. The corruption is so rampant. They just couldn’t take it anymore. They were threatened by Democrats with impeachment and horrible things were said about them. And they’re good people. Even recently, the head of the GSA was hounded and harassed as she reported, like she has never been before. What can I say? We caught Comey cold, we caught McCabe cold. We caught them all. We’re still waiting for a report from a man named Durham, who I have never spoken to, and I have never met. They can go after me before the election as much as they want, but unfortunately Mr. Durham didn’t want to go after these people, or have anything to do with going after them before the election. So who knows if he is ever going to even do a report.

Ut if you look at the lies, and the leaks, and the illegal acts of behavior done by so many people, and their desire to hurt the president of the United States, something should happen. The hardest thing I have to do is explain why nothing is happening with all of these people that got caught spying on my campaign. It’s never happened before and it should never happen again to a president of the United States. All you have to do is watch the hearings and see for yourself. The evidence is overwhelming. The fraud that we’ve collected in recent weeks is overwhelming, having to do with our election. Everyone is saying, ” Wow, the evidence is overwhelming”, when they get to see it. But really it’s too late to change the course of an election. It’s too late to change the outcome.

In fact, there is still plenty of time to certify the correct winner of the election and that’s what we’re fighting to do. But no matter when it happens, when they see fraud, when they see false votes and when those votes number far more than is necessary, you can’t let another person steal that election from you. All over the country, people are together in holding up signs, “Stop the steal.” To understand how we will challenge this fraud, it is important to know the problems with mail-in balloting. Pennsylvania, Michigan, Nevada, Georgia, Arizona, and most other states allowed anyone to get an absentee ballot and cast their vote without showing any ID. The voting took place entirely on the honor system, no identification of any kind was required.

Most Americans would also be shocked to learn that no state in the country verifies United States citizenship as a condition for voting in federal elections. This is a national disgrace. No other advanced country conducts elections this way. Many European countries have instituted major restrictions on mail-in voting, specifically, because they recognize the nearly unlimited potential for fraud. Out of 42 European nations, all but two prohibit absentee ballots entirely for people who reside inside the country, or else they require those who need absentee ballots to show a very, very powerful ID.

Throughout the Democrat effort to dramatically expand mail-in voting, the Democrat party leaders were also, feverishly working to block measures, designed to protect against fraud, such as signature verification, residency verification, or voter ID. And citizenship confirmation was almost unthought of that we should ask for it. Can you believe this? These are not the actions of people who want fair elections. These are the actions of people who want to steal elections, who are willing to create fraud. The only conceivable reason why you would block common sense measures to verify legal eligibility for voting, is you are trying to encourage, enable, solicit, or carry out fraud.

It is important for Americans to understand that these destructive changes to our election laws were not a necessary response to the pandemic. The pandemic simply gave the Democrats an excuse to do what they have been trying to do for many, many years. In fact, the very first bill that house Democrats introduced when Nancy Pelosi became speaker, was it attempt to mandate universal mail-in voting and eliminate measures such as voter ID, which is so necessary. Dramatically eroding the integrity of our elections was the Democrats number one priority for a simple reason, they wanted to steal the 2020 presidential election. All of the Democrat efforts to expand mail-in balloting laid the groundwork for the systematic and pervasive fraud that occurred in this election.

In Pennsylvania, large amounts of mail-in and absentee ballots were processed illegally. And in secret, in Philadelphia, in Allegheny counties, without our observers present. They were not allowed to be present. In fact, they weren’t even allowed in the same room. They were thrown out of the building and they looked from outside in, but they had no way of even seeing, because there were no windows. And the windows that were there were boarded up. Democrats even went to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to block observers from receiving access. There is only one possible reason that the corrupt Democrat political machine would oppose transparency during the vote counting. It’s because they know they are hiding illegal activity. It’s very simple.

This is an egregious, inexcusable. And irreversible harm that stains the entire election, yet this unprecedented practice of excluding our observers, our vote watchers, as some people call them, occurred in Democrat run cities and key states all across the nation. Here are just some of the additional facts that we’ve uncovered. Many voters all across Pennsylvania received two ballots in the mail, and many others received mail-in ballots for which they never applied. So many get ballots, they didn’t even know what they were for. And again, so many received more than one ballot. In some cases, more than two ballots. And they happened to be, for the most part, Democrats.

In Fayette County, Pennsylvania, multiple voters received ballots that were already filled out. They didn’t know what happened. In Montgomery County, Pennsylvania, a poll watcher, overheard unregistered voters being told to return later to try to vote under a different name. Tens of thousands of voters across Pennsylvania were treated differently based on whether they were Republicans, or Democrats. Voters who submitted floored ballots in some Democrat precincts were notified and asked to fix their ballots, while Republican precincts, and in particular Republican voters, were not so notified which plainly violates the Equal Protection Clause of the United States Constitution.”If you are a Democrat, we’re going to fix up your ballot. make sure it’s perfect. If you are Republican, don’t even talk about it.”

In Michigan, a career employee of the city of Detroit, with the city workers, coaching voters to vote straight Democrat, while accompanying them to watch who they were voting for, violating the law and the sanctity of the secret ballot. You can’t do that. The same workers say she was instructed not to ask for any ID and not to attempt to validate any signatures. She was also told to illegally backdate ballots, many, many ballots, received after the deadline. This is something that is so unconstitutional and she estimates that thousands and thousands of ballots were improperly backdated by her and many others.

Other witnesses in Detroit also saw our election officials counting batches of the same ballots many times, as well as illegally duplicating ballots. One observer testified to seeing boxes and boxes of ballots, all bearing the same signature. Another observer in Detroit gave sworn testimony that he saw countless and valid ballots that did not belong to properly registered voters and then witnessed election workers in Wayne County entering fake birth dates into the system, in order to illegally count them. Witnesses of science wore an affidavit, so in other words, you go to jail if you lie, testifying that after election officials announced the last absentee votes had been received, a batch of tens of thousands of ballots arrived, many without envelopes, all voting for Democrats.

In Wisconsin, a record number of voters were categorized as indefinitely confined. A status reserved for severely disabled individuals, also for the elderly that allow them to vote without showing ID. Last year, approximately 70,000 people claimed this status statewide. This year, the number miraculously was nearly 250,000 voters, after election officials in Milwaukee and Dane County, a couple of the most corrupt political places in our country, urged citizens to improperly register under this status. And register they did in levels that don’t exist. In Wisconsin, there are approximately 70,000 absentee ballots that do not have matching ballot applications as required by law in Georgia, nine observers have testified to seeing countless irregular ballots without the creases or typical markings indicating that the ballots did not arrive in envelopes as required. A poll watcher in Fulton County estimated that approximately 98% of the large number of unusually pristine ballots that she witnessed were for Biden. Highly unusual number. In addition, thousands of uncounted ballots were discovered in Floyd, Fayette, and Walton counties weeks after the election, and these ballots were mostly from Trump voters. They weren’t counted. They were from Trump voters.

In Detroit, everybody saw the tremendous conflict and the horrible way that the two Republican canvassers were treated so horribly because they wouldn’t vote when they saw that 71% of the precincts didn’t balance. Also, there were more votes than there were voters. Think of that. You had more votes than you had voters. That’s an easy one to figure, and it’s by the thousands. In Arizona, in-person voters whose balanced produced error messages from tabulation machines were told to press a button that resulted in their votes not being counted. Also in Arizona, the attorney general announced that mail-in ballots had been stolen from mailboxes and hidden under a rock.

In Clark County, Nevada, where most of the state’s voters reside, the standards for matching a signature using the signature verification machine were intentionally lowered to allow large numbers of ballots to be counted that otherwise would never have passed muster. This machine was set at the lowest level. According to one report, in order to test the process, nine voters in Clark County cast ballots with intentionally incorrect signatures, and eight of the nine ballots were accepted and counted. They said you could sign your name as Santa Claus, and it would be accepted. Last week, the Clark County Commission threw out the results of a local election after the registrar reported finding, quote, “discrepancies that we can’t explain.” Also in Nevada, some voters were entered into a raffle for more than a dozen gift cards worth as much as $250 if they could prove they had voted.

This took place on Indian reservations. One of the most significant indications of widespread fraud is the extraordinarily low rejection rates for mail-in ballots in many key states. These are the states that I had to win. In swing state after swing state, the number of ballots rejected has been dramatically lower than what would have been expected based on prior experience. That means years and years of voting. In Georgia, just 0.2%, that’s substantially less than 1%, of mail-in ballots have been rejected. In other words, almost none have been rejected. They took everything. Nothing was rejected, practically, compared to 6.4% in 2016. There are those that think that 6.4 was a low number.

Think of it. Almost none were rejected. The previous election, 6.4% were rejected. We have seen similar declines in Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Michigan. Ballots weren’t rejected, especially if they happen to be in Democrat areas. These irregularities are inexplicable unless there is a deliberate effort to accept ineligible ballots or fraudulent ballots.

In Pennsylvania, the secretary of state and the state supreme court in essence abolished signature verification requirements just weeks prior to the election, in violation of state law. You’re not allowed to do that. It has to be approved by the legislature. A judge can’t do it. A state can’t do it. An official can’t do it. The only one that can do it is the legislature.

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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2020, 10:22:38 PM »
The reason for this is clear. They were not verifying signatures because they know the ballots have not been filled out by the voters in whose names they were cast. In other words, people filled them out that had nothing to do with the names on the ballot. A simple recount of the ballots under these circumstances only compounds the fraud. The only way to determine whether there was an honest vote is to conduct a full review of the envelopes in the relevant states. You will find that many of them, tens of thousands, have fraudulent signatures. A full forensic audit is required to ensure that only legal ballots from lawfully registered voters that were properly cast are included in the final count.

This election is about great voter fraud, fraud that has never been seen like this before. It’s about poll watchers who were not allowed to watch. So illegal. It’s about ballots that poured in, and nobody but a few knew where they came from. They were counted, and they weren’t for me. It’s about big leads on election night, tremendous leads, leads where I was being congratulated for a decisive easy victory. All of a sudden, by morning or a couple of days later, those leads rapidly evaporated. It’s about numbers of ballots that were sent that nobody know where they came from. It’s about machinery that was defective, machinery that was stopped during certain parts of the evening, miraculously to open with more votes.

It was about many other things, but above all, it was about fraud. This election was rigged. Everybody knows it. I don’t mind if I lose an election, but I want to lose an election fair and square. What I don’t want to do is have it stolen from the American people. That’s what we’re fighting for. We have no choice to be doing that. We already have the proof. We already have the evidence, and it’s very clear. Many people in the media and even judges so far have refused to accept it. They know it’s true. They know it’s there. They know who won the election, but they refuse to say, “You’re right.” Our country needs somebody to say, “You’re right.”

Ultimately, I am prepared to accept any accurate election result, and I hope that Joe Biden is as well. We already have the proof. We already have tens of thousands of ballots more than we need to overturn all of these states that we’re talking about. This is an election for the highest office in the greatest country in the history of the world. Every reasonable American should be able to agree, based on what we have already documented, that we need a systematic analysis of the mail-in ballots to review the envelopes. It’s about the signature. If they’re on the envelopes, we can only review the envelopes, and that will tell us everything.

This is the absolute minimum we should expect. This is not just about my campaign, although it has a lot to do with who’s going to be your next president. This is about restoring faith and confidence in American elections. This is about our democracy and the sacred rights that generations of Americans have fought, bled, and died to secure. Nothing is more urgent or more important. The only ballots that should count in this election are those cast by eligible voters who are citizens of our country, residents of the states in which they voted, and who cast their ballots in a lawful manner before the legal deadline.

Moreover, we must never again have an election in which there is not a reliable and transparent system to verify the eligibility, identity, and residency of every single person who casts a ballot, a very, very cherished ballot. Many very smart people have congratulated me on all we’ve done: the biggest tax cuts in history, regulation cuts, the biggest in history. We rebuilt our military. We took care of our vets like never before, Space Force, and so much more. Then they went on to say, as big and as important as these events were, the single greatest achievement in your presidency will be exactly what you’re doing right now: voter integrity for our nation. It’s more important than any of the things that we discussed.

If we don’t root out the fraud, the tremendous and horrible fraud that’s taken place in our 2020 election, we don’t have a country anymore. With the resolve and support of the American people, we will restore honesty and integrity to our elections. We will restore trust in our system of government. Thank you. God bless you. God bless America.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2020, 12:13:07 AM »
Can someone please provide a Tl;dr summary?
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2020, 12:31:59 AM »
I hate Trump.  I hate democracy.

And I support a full 100% audit of this election.

I work in software development.  And I would never trust a conventional computer system to tally votes.  Even if it's open source code.  

About the only way I see electronic voting ever working with any sort of trust would be via a distributed blockchain environment, with public accountability for individual votes (you can take each integer vote on each ballot measure or candidate race and correlate it to a voter ID, and see that voter ID is of a valid person and not deceased).  Private/public key pairs won't work without some way to correlate each and every issued key to a valid voter (i.e. voter registration).

Even voter registration by itself, without a clear trail of aggregation operations, is quite vulnerable to abuse.  Many states destroy the primary evidence (the paper ballots and the scanned images of those ballots) after the election.

People need to be able to look up their own voter ID and see that their votes are safely tallied as they indicated, and that the sums are sane.  Distributing elections record-keeping through a blockchain and opening processing of those transactions to the public at large, as widely as possible, makes tampering impossible since the member servers will deny illegitimate transactions.

I think the day of anonymous voting, and lack of public accountability for your vote, needs to end.  The only way to eliminate this doubt of election sanity, once and for all, is for all of you to be able to know concretely that I didn't cast a single vote for anything in 2020, and for that to be public knowledge, for Ron's votes in 2020 to be public knowledge, and Charby's, and Mike Irwin's, and everyone's.  And to be able to examine the set of voters, and cross reference it against those who have standing/legitimacy as voters.  A "left join" of sorts, exposing non-franchised and deceased at a public scale.  And the issuing authority that allowed that key pair / wallet for votes to be created in the first place.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2020, 02:34:52 AM »
Public vote databases would turn cancel culture up to 11.
People would be far more likely to be influenced by a candidate’s popularity in media and social media instead of personal convictions, and it greatly increases the chances of intimidation and coercion.

No thanks.

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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2020, 08:19:13 AM »
Public vote databases would turn cancel culture up to 11.
People would be far more likely to be influenced by a candidate’s popularity in media and social media instead of personal convictions, and it greatly increases the chances of intimidation and coercion.

No thanks.

Yeah, public voting only works if I have blanket immunity for shooting any antifa that accost me in public or at my home because I voted for "the wrong guy".
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2020, 08:31:59 AM »
In person voting by citizens with ID checked against the voter rolls. I'm not opposed to two days being set aside for voting. 

Mail in ballots need to secured well in advance of the election by going and getting it in person with ID. For shut ins and the like there can be special arrangements made.

All mail in ballots need to be received before election day, period.

As far as the voting machines are concerned, once the fiasco of what we are using is fully known there will need to be a secure system spec'd and built that will insure security.


 
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2020, 08:38:25 AM »
Voting is ultimately a proxy statement of violence.  (This is why I opened with my statement about hating democracy).

Interesting how a person can kill for a government while enlisted in the Armed Forces, and if captured, he is expected to give his name, rank and serial number.  But a voter can't be expected to ID himself and stand behind his actions publicly.  And it cracks me up that people who put campaign signs and flags and such in their yards, on their vehicles, and places of business, would object to vote audits that identify their specific ballot ticks to final tallies on each measure or race.

Sounds like the antifa types are more cognizant in regards to what a vote actually means.

There's already laws that justify self defense.  There's extra-special laws that justify self defense and condemn politically or racially motivated violence as extra-special-bad.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2020, 08:39:47 AM »
In person voting by citizens with ID checked against the voter rolls. I'm not opposed to two days being set aside for voting. 


I have to also say that I am seriously rethinking my "pro" view on mail-in ballots. I think it can still exist, but must be greatly reduced in scope, and have many more hoops to jump through before you get a mail-in (or rather, absentee) ballot.

I would also be open to two days for voting if it counters the dem "working people can't get to the voting booth!" narrative. Maybe make it a Friday-Saturday thing.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2020, 08:40:49 AM »
 "The only conceivable reason why you would block common sense measures to verify legal eligibility for voting, is you are trying to encourage, enable, solicit, or carry out fraud."   -  Trump
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2020, 08:46:18 AM »
 But a voter can't be expected to ID himself and stand behind his actions publicly.  And it cracks me up that people who put campaign signs and flags and such in their yards, on their vehicles, and places of business, would object to vote audits that identify their specific ballot ticks to final tallies on each measure or race.

Voter ID is different than "who you voted for". I agree that yard signs, etc. are already identifying people, but the difference is that it's voluntary, not government mandated. Further, I would argue there is a geographic component. I'll tell anyone who asks that I voted for Trump. I widely let my views be known regarding my support of conservative candidates and issues in Idaho. I would be hesitant to publicly and loudly let these views be known in San Francisco or Portland, where me and my property are subject to harm for "wrongthink", and where  I would be punished for defending myself or my property while people who destroy my property are in the clear because they are expressing themselves.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2020, 09:44:18 AM »
In your part of Idaho, especially being a CA transplant, being open about your conservatism makes sense.  People would probably be suspicious of you if you refused  to identify with conservative values there. 

In my neighborhood I’d be fine.  But at work, not so much.  If my votes were public record it would extremely difficult for me to get a decent job anywhere in the PNW, at least west of the Cascades.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2020, 09:50:07 AM »
Interesting how a person can kill for a government while enlisted in the Armed Forces, and if captured, he is expected to give his name, rank and serial number.  But a voter can't be expected to ID himself and stand behind his actions publicly.
What on earth does a POW have to do with voting?  And I note that the POW only has to identify himself and his rank, not his mission or his thoughts about his commanding officers ... or the way he voted.
And it cracks me up that people who put campaign signs and flags and such in their yards, on their vehicles, and places of business, would object to vote audits that identify their specific ballot ticks to final tallies on each measure or race.
I don't put up campaign signs.  It is my observation that most people, in fact, do not.  Do you?

Given that this year people have lost jobs over innocuous political tweets on the "wrong" side (indeed, even as simple as claiming support for Trump), and given that public officials have already called for a blacklist of people who supported or worked for Trump, I'd say that the secret ballot has significant value in the modern age.

If you feel that your political position is sufficiently in line with the social-media orthodoxy, or you feel sufficiently insulated against blowback for any positions you hold that might be controversial then bully for you, but not everyone is like you.  To be clear, if my vote were public I'd be pretty safe as well.  I might lose a couple of clients, or it might bring about some unnecessary discussions but I'd survive.  

Not everyone is in the same position.

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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2020, 10:08:10 AM »
Ballots - whether paper or stored on memory cards - need to have a verifiable chain of custody, the same way physical evidence in a criminal prosecution is supposed to have.

Once the chain of custody is broken at any point, those ballots should be considered tainted and invalid. So ballots found in a closet or unloaded from "somebody's" trunk ought not be counted. Nor should ballots in the custody of election workers after legitimate, authorized poll watchers of either party have been forcibly removed.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2020, 10:30:35 AM »
What on earth does a POW have to do with voting?  And I note that the POW only has to identify himself and his rank, not his mission or his thoughts about his commanding officers ... or the way he voted.I don't put up campaign signs.  It is my observation that most people, in fact, do not.  Do you?

War is the ultimate manifestation of government authority.  Government supposedly derives its authority by the consent of those it governs.  It is therefore a perfectly valid assumption that a POW supports his actions in theater.  At least so far that he doesn't get himself busted for a DD or otherwise disciplined and he'd rather risk his own life and kill others to support state policy instead.  So the POW supports government position on the war he's participating in.  And he identifies himself to his captors.

Fear of identifying your political votes/stances/affiliations is effective acknowledgement that voting is an initiation of violence against others.  It's no different than going to war, morally.  Some wars are defensive, some are offensive, and going to vote or to war for defensive purposes is certainly morally legitimate.  But if your vote aggresses against the variety of rights of others (property, freedom, etc) it is not a defensive vote.  Regardless of if it's a defensive or offensive vote, it's an act of war.  Identifying combatants is customary in war.

Fear of your neighbors knowing your vote is no different than gossiping behind their back, at best.

I'm content to talk politics with anyone.  I've been asked political questions in a job interview, disagreed with the person to a high degree of contradiction, been offered the job, and taken it for a healthy pay raise over previous positions.  It is my heartfelt belief that anyone that is unwilling to talk politics (rationally, fearlessly, with supporting arguments) is too immature to be granted political enfranchisement.  But I also believe that enfranchisement is far too wide right now; much like corporate stock, it needs to be weighted as a function of tax liability or other contribution (Heinlein's Starship Troopers is fine too).  And then the scope of government authority is limited to those who are enfranchised by it.  I know I'm unlikely to see such a voluntary selective enrollment republic ever exist.  But I can still stand by the logic and morality of discrimination in enfranchisement.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2020, 10:32:15 AM »
Nor should ballots in the custody of election workers after legitimate, authorized poll watchers of either party have been forcibly removed.

Republican poll watchers who are forcibly removed from polling places, and don't have injuries to prove the forcible ejection, should be ashamed of themselves.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2020, 10:43:24 AM »
Republican poll watchers who are forcibly removed from polling places, and don't have injuries to prove the forcible ejection, should be ashamed of themselves.

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Fistful recently used the CS Lewis phrase, "men with no chests".

The rank and file on the right are civilized, nice and non confrontational.

Either by nature or conditioning.

As poll watchers they were actually showing they still believed in and had investment in the system. They very well may have assumed they would report the outrage to the proper authorities and it would be dealt with, now they know better.

Most folks on the right are scratching their heads and have no idea what to do, as the left just does whatever it wants by any means necessary.

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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2020, 11:09:47 AM »
People need to be able to look up their own voter ID and see that their votes are safely tallied as they indicated, and that the sums are sane.  Distributing elections record-keeping through a blockchain and opening processing of those transactions to the public at large, as widely as possible, makes tampering impossible since the member servers will deny illegitimate transactions.

I think the day of anonymous voting, and lack of public accountability for your vote, needs to end.  The only way to eliminate this doubt of election sanity, once and for all, is for all of you to be able to know concretely that I didn't cast a single vote for anything in 2020, and for that to be public knowledge, for Ron's votes in 2020 to be public knowledge, and Charby's, and Mike Irwin's, and everyone's.

Nope. As far as I am concerned, a bedrock principle of this country is that NOBODY knows how I voted unless I tell them -- and I don't tell anyone.

IF a system can be constructed that allows me to securely verify that my vote was recorded the way I cast it, I would be all in favor of that. But I should be the only person who can see that. You shouldn't be able to look up how I voted, Ben shouldn't be able to look up how I voted, and the election officials in my town should not be able to look up how I voted. The election officials should be able to look up THAT I voted, but not who I voted for.


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In person voting by citizens with ID checked against the voter rolls. I'm not opposed to two days being set aside for voting.

Mail in ballots need to secured well in advance of the election by going and getting it in person with ID. For shut ins and the like there can be special arrangements made.

All mail in ballots need to be received before election day, period.

As far as the voting machines are concerned, once the fiasco of what we are using is fully known there will need to be a secure system spec'd and built that will insure security.


I agree with all of the above -- except mail-in ballots. I absolutely reject the idea that expecting voters to identify themselves in any way "disenfrachises" anyone who has a legitimate right to vote. I want to be checked and identified when I vote. As I've posted before, I would be extremely upset if I arrived at the polling place at 6:00 p.m. and was turned away because "You've already voted."

I'm against mail-in ballots. Too much opportunity for fraud. There has always been provision for absentee ballots for people who will be out of town/state/country on election day, or who are too ill to get to the polling place. That should not change. But I am opposed to the promiscuous distribution of mail-in ballots to everyone. And absentee ballots beed to be received and checked off on the voter registry before election day, so that someone who submitted an absentee ballot can't then un-absent themselves and also vote in person.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2020, 12:32:07 PM »
War is the ultimate manifestation of government authority.  Government supposedly derives its authority by the consent of those it governs.  It is therefore a perfectly valid assumption that a POW supports his actions in theater.  At least so far that he doesn't get himself busted for a DD or otherwise disciplined and he'd rather risk his own life and kill others to support state policy instead.  So the POW supports government position on the war he's participating in.  And he identifies himself to his captors.
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Yes, because no soldier has ever been drafted, or been threatened with execution if he fails to fight, right?  Or in your view is doing something at gunpoint just exactly the same thing as making someone do it at gunpoint?  And since war is the ultimate manifestation of government authority, why aren't you totally fixated on some other elements of war, like shooting the people who disagree with you in the face and blowing up their stuff?  Because ... just maybe ... war is not actually even close to the same thing as voting?

Fear of identifying your political votes/stances/affiliations is effective acknowledgement that voting is an initiation of violence against others.  It's no different than going to war, morally.  Some wars are defensive, some are offensive, and going to vote or to war for defensive purposes is certainly morally legitimate.  But if your vote aggresses against the variety of rights of others (property, freedom, etc) it is not a defensive vote.  Regardless of if it's a defensive or offensive vote, it's an act of war.  Identifying combatants is customary in war.
I think this is one of those ideas that sounded clever in your head before you actually thought about it but now you're backed into trying to defend the nonsensical.

I'm content to talk politics with anyone.  I've been asked political questions in a job interview, disagreed with the person to a high degree of contradiction, been offered the job, and taken it for a healthy pay raise over previous positions.  It is my heartfelt belief that anyone that is unwilling to talk politics (rationally, fearlessly, with supporting arguments) is too immature to be granted political enfranchisement.  But I also believe that enfranchisement is far too wide right now; much like corporate stock, it needs to be weighted as a function of tax liability or other contribution (Heinlein's Starship Troopers is fine too).  And then the scope of government authority is limited to those who are enfranchised by it.  I know I'm unlikely to see such a voluntary selective enrollment republic ever exist.  But I can still stand by the logic and morality of discrimination in enfranchisement.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2020, 12:39:35 PM »
War is the ultimate manifestation of government authority.  Government supposedly derives its authority by the consent of those it governs.  It is therefore a perfectly valid assumption that a POW supports his actions in theater.  At least so far that he doesn't get himself busted for a DD or otherwise disciplined and he'd rather risk his own life and kill others to support state policy instead.  So the POW supports government position on the war he's participating in.  And he identifies himself to his captors.


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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2020, 12:43:55 PM »
As far as I am concerned, a bedrock principle of this country is that NOBODY knows how I voted unless I tell them -- and I don't tell anyone.

I'm certainly not opposed to the secret ballot, but calling it a bedrock principle of this country seems like a stretch to me.
For most of America’s history, from colonial days to the 1890s, keeping the content of your vote secret was almost impossible. There was no expectation that the vote should be secret and little understanding of how this could be accomplished even if it were a good idea. Many people – and not just political operatives – thought secrecy was not a good idea. In those days there was no model for structuring elections so they could be private individual matters, conducted quietly inside public buildings, with votes cast while hidden red, white, and blue striped curtains. That is not the way US elections were conducted. The alternative – today’s secret ballot – with which we are now so familiar had yet to be invented, or, as it turned out, imported into American politics. 
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2020, 12:49:40 PM »
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Yes, because no soldier has ever been drafted, or been threatened with execution if he fails to fight, right?  Or in your view is doing something at gunpoint just exactly the same thing as making someone do it at gunpoint? 

War is war.  War is violence.  If a person is drafted, he has had war made upon him via conscription, and he can either choose war upon his conscriptors or upon the designated enemy.  There are no other choices.  If a person volunteers to become a soldier, he supports the violence of the war.

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And since war is the ultimate manifestation of government authority, why aren't you totally fixated on some other elements of war, like shooting the people who disagree with you in the face and blowing up their stuff?  Because ... just maybe ... war is not actually even close to the same thing as voting?


Soldiers that disobey orders in the midst of battle get shot in the face.  I don't dispute that.

The act of hiring violent actors to enforce something your majority or plurality decree by voting is no different than a declaration of war.

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I think this is one of those ideas that sounded clever in your head before you actually thought about it but now you're backed into trying to defend the nonsensical.

I hope we can agree to disagree, rather than going to war over it.  I'd hate for there to be a vote on the matter and the majority all decide to force me to say it's nonsensical.  Mayhap be some violence to compel me to do that.

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Reprisal-free political action has never existed, and can never exist, when political action has the ability to deprive people of property or liberty.
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Re: Donald Trump Statement on Election 12-2-2020
« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2020, 01:02:23 PM »
I hope we can agree to disagree, rather than going to war over it.
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