Post Presidential Election 2020 poll

[Ron]

Sure looks like it was stolen to me.

A big problem is there hasn't been an institution or media outlet you could trust to get accurate information during this whole Trump administration. The disninfo was turned up to 11 this last year in particular.

It helps that the left is so confident and strident right now they aren't even hiding a lot of their shenanigans.

[RocketMan]

Stolen election.  The Dems had a long time to set everything in place while The Stupid Party sat on their collective thumbs and twirled.  The Dems still haven't learned all the lessons and techniques necessary to hide their theft, but it really doesn't matter from this point.  They will never lose another election for national office.

[zahc]

A combination of stolen through fraud and also the overwhelming media advantage, to include this time a more developed program of exploiting social and online media.

I think it's important not to understate the importance of media control. Those with media control have an overwhelming advantage. Owning the media in information warfare is like owning the skies in real warfare.

[dogmush]

I'm somewhere between option two and three.  I think this was a pretty normal election in terms of fraud, perhaps a little more.  But it was also pretty close so "normal" might have flipped it.  I suspect we'll never know for sure, as the choice of cheating was (and is historically) ginning up extra ballots.  Once they are mixed in with the stream there's no way to know for sure how many there were.

To zahc's point, the media advantage is every bit as strong as he says, but much like the Russian bots on FB in 2016 didn't "steal" or "hack" that election, the media didn't steal this one.  If people are too lazy and stupid to recognize bias and misinformation being fed to them, I'm not sure what we can do.  As long as we let stupid people think that their opinion matters and vote, we have to deal with the fact that folks are going to lie to stupid people for that vote.

[makattak]

I picked the only one close to the truth.

"The Democrats openly, brazenly, and obviously stole the election through massive voter fraud in urban areas."

There, now we have the correct answer.

[kgbsquirrel]

I picked the only one close to the truth.

"The Democrats openly, brazenly, and obviously stole the election through massive voter fraud in urban areas."

There, now we have the correct answer.

Sad fact.

[Boomhauer]

The FBI should be investigating like crazy but not a peep. But god forbid you have a loop on a pull rope in a NASCAR pit garage...that warrants a full team of investigators.

[makattak]

Incidentally, the reason, I suspect, the cheating was brazen and obvious is because they had already used a greater than normal amount of fraud and found, at 2 am when they all stopped counting and sent the poll watchers home, that they hadn't cheated enough.

That was when it became blatant and obvious, because orangemanbad had to be defeated.

[WLJ]

There can only be one...party

[Perd Hapley]

The news media fraud alone made this a stolen election. Four years of lies and gas-lighting, capped by an obvious refusal to cover a major scandal. Then we have Tech's silencing of those who did decide to talk about that scandal.

Big Journalism are the first to bloviate about how much democracy depends on them, and how they tell us what we need to know. I won't hold my breath waiting for them to admit how they affected this election. Then again, they're so brazen, maybe they'll brag about it.

[cordex]

I’m just glad that big tech have been so consistent and righteous. 

It doesn’t matter if we are talking Trump’s tax returns or Hunter Biden’s emails - if something is stolen you get banned for posting it.
It doesn’t matter if you claim that the Russians hacked the 2016 election and that Trump is an illegitimate President that stole the election, or if you say that widespread fraud or error in 2020 were responsible for Biden’s win, your content will be removed.

The fairness and evenhandedness with which Twitter, YouTube, and FaceBook have handled politics gives me a good feeling that their position as major corporations with significant influence on elections is being conducted with the utmost of care and that any claims that they are abusing their power can be summarily dismissed.

[Jim147]

If someone will answer all the odd things that happened this year I would say fine Biden is senator. But we can't get anyone to actually answer the oddities.

[Ben]

I’m just glad that big tech have been so consistent and righteous. 

It doesn’t matter if we are talking Trump’s tax returns or Hunter Biden’s emails - if something is stolen you get banned for posting it.
It doesn’t matter if you claim that the Russians hacked the 2016 election and that Trump is an illegitimate President that stole the election, or if you say that widespread fraud or error in 2020 were responsible for Biden’s win, your content will be removed.

The fairness and evenhandedness with which Twitter, YouTube, and FaceBook have handled politics gives me a good feeling that their position as major corporations with significant influence on elections is being conducted with the utmost of care and that any claims that they are abusing their power can be summarily dismissed.

We like to rag on the MSM, but the above social media sites have absolutely been criminal, and they make 1984 look like a shiny, happy place.

They absolutely manipulated this election in the way they censored / didn't censor depending on political persuasion in the months leading up to it, not to mention everything they have done to sway public opinion over the last few years. The Project Veritas videos are absolutely damning.

[Andiron]

[RoadKingLarry]

The news media fraud alone made this a stolen election. Four years of lies and gas-lighting, capped by an obvious refusal to cover a major scandal. Then we have Tech's silencing of those who did decide to talk about that scandal.

Big Journalism are the first to bloviate about how much democracy depends on them, and how they tell us what we need to know. I won't hold my breath waiting for them to admit how they affected this election. Then again, they're so brazen, maybe they'll brag about it.

They've admitted that it is their job to tell people what to think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quU_Tbv96Wk

[kgbsquirrel]

You really did, George. :(

[Andiron]

You really did, George. :(

I think he'd have been much happier being wrong 

Plan accordingly. 

[WLJ]

Trump was 14 points ahead in PA with something like ~85% in. Ahead in WI, MI as well. Went to bed,
Two days later Biden is ahead with 99.999999999% of the remaining "found" ballots being for Biden.

Nothing fishy about that at all

[Ron]

Same thing with Wisconsin.

Between 3-4:30 am Biden got a huge spike in votes, overcame Trumps lead and ends up with more votes.

The only states this happened in (middle of the night vote surges) are the states Biden had to win.

[WLJ]

Ironically if this had happened in another country the MSM crying foul but here..................

[Blakenzy]

Communist take over via subversion.. in this instance election fraud was the tool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6OyCsOYCM

[WLJ]

2000: The election system is broken and needs to be changed
2004: The election system is broken and needs to be changed
2008: The election system is fine.
2012: The election system is fine.
2016: The election system is broken and needs to be changed
2020: The election system is fine.

[WLJ]

This election was like the best friend of the lottery head suddenly winning multiple lotteries in one day and no wrong doing found.

[Ron]

The USA is not governed by consent but by the naked will to power.

This has been hidden for centuries but now is becoming more obvious as there is no longer any legal recourse to effect change.

It also has become more obvious due to the increasingly poor quality of the individuals who comprise our ruling class.

My hope was Trump had been put up,  propped up or co-opted by an older line of of the ruling class who wanted to maintain some national sovereignty and preserve some aspects of heritage America. There was a time when our ruling class was fond of its people (when they weren't sending them off to war that is).

If the left prevails, the American nation will be taken off of life support.

The country will be flooded with non-Americans who know nothing about being an American and will oppose the founding principles without fail. They will also despise the founding people, their posterity, anyone that looks like them or supports historic heritage America.

The remnants of the American nation will wither away and die as the USA empire slouches forward into decline and eventual collapse. We will be subsumed into the global empire as a vassal state.

It is always so when the ruling class imports new people to replace the nations original peoples. The people they have learned to despise.

It is the way of empires. It is how to topple empires.

This movie has been made many times throughout history. The TV show went into syndication reruns long ago.

The plot line is a standard, only the players have changed.

[Blakenzy]

I don't think we should be calling them "the left" anymore. That is far too innocent. I mean look at what they are really pushing for. They aren't just socialists or even communists, those are just the means to an end. They are Globalist Totalitarians.

What the people who support that expect to win by the establishment of such a form of governance is beyond me, perhaps be remembered and granted a special pass for two plates of gruel instead of one