Author Topic: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!  (Read 10427 times)

Matthew Carberry

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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #50 on: January 19, 2012, 12:54:29 PM »
C&S,

Then surprise me.  What does she do or say in part of two of her shows that offsets all of her outside marketing and persona?  I didn't say she didn't do it, just that I've not seen any sign from anything else she's done.  

For example, I don't read everything Ladd Everett puts out but from everything I know of him from what I have seen and all his other exposure I am familiar with, it'd surprise me if he isn't actually a *expletive deleted*bag.  But if I could be shown something to the contrary I missed by not being intimitely familiar with his entire CV I'd be willing to change my mind.

In any event, I shouldn't default to dick mode with fellow APS'ers.  

Thinking about it, Paula Dean isn't a hypocrite as that would require her to behave and believe differently than she espouses, which I can't say she does.

In part answer to Micro, it's more that, as far as character goes, it is unseemly for someone to build a career on obnoxiously unhealthy foods (as in unhealthy almost by design as opposed to simply "rich" like much fine cooking) and then not acknowledge their own situation which requires they limit or modify their enjoyment of that kind of food for health reasons.

What I, for instance, would have done if I were "Paul Dean, Master of Butter By the Pound" and found out I had diabetes would be to go on my show, talk about my diagnosis and begin a new program of explaining how to eat the same kind of foods but prepared in healthier ways.  Talk about living with diabetes but still loving American comfort foods, bring Wilford Brimley on and cook with him, that sort of thing.  Let the medical companies come crawling after me.

She appears to have not acknowledged her diagnosis in order to protect her marketed persona until she could cash in on it.

Unseemly.
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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2012, 06:07:18 AM »
I don't get it.
Is it your argument that it's immoral to promote unhealthy things, period?

LOL, you may not like it, Micro, ( I sure don't) but the whole concept of Public Health revolves around the perspective that people are largely unaware of what's good for them.  And, sadly, that's the truth.

Actually... now that you mention it... I don't get it either.
Sure, she's an idiot, and anyone who eats like her is an idiot...  but where's the foul?

I mean, there's a lot to be said about patient autonomy (from my perspective)  I dealt with a dumbass recently that listened to the PA I was working with go on and on about his blood pressure, cholesterol, etc...  only to reply "BUT I LIKE TORTILLAS."   He then rolled his eyes at us when we mentioned cutting the amount of tortillas in half, and replacing them with veggies.   Was he an idiot?  Yes!  Is there anything I can do about his idiocy??  Nope!   Will I lose any sleep when he eats himself into an early grave?  Possibly.   Does he have the right to?  Most certainly.

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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2012, 08:51:29 AM »
LOL, you may not like it, Micro, ( I sure don't) but the whole concept of Public Health revolves around the perspective that people are largely unaware of what's good for them.  And, sadly, that's the truth.

And here I thought the whole point of public health is that certain activities have externalities, creating either benefits or costs to the population as a whole. Things like vaccines, sanitation and the like.

I thought the purpose of a health specialist was like the purpose of a mechanic. He studies and specializes in fixing your body so you can do something else. Of course individuals may not know what is good for them. That's what they pay a doctor for.

Further, your example does not illustrate one who does not know what is good for him. It illustrates one who rejects your advice because he prefers eating tortillas. That's not ignorance, that's preference. (Now you can argue that you don't like his preference, but not that he is ignorant.)
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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2012, 03:48:04 PM »
And here I thought the whole point of public health is that certain activities have externalities, creating either benefits or costs to the population as a whole. Things like vaccines, sanitation and the like.

I thought the purpose of a health specialist was like the purpose of a mechanic. He studies and specializes in fixing your body so you can do something else. Of course individuals may not know what is good for them. That's what they pay a doctor for.

Further, your example does not illustrate one who does not know what is good for him. It illustrates one who rejects your advice because he prefers eating tortillas. That's not ignorance, that's preference. (Now you can argue that you don't like his preference, but not that he is ignorant.)
Yes, yes, yes and yes.  That's pretty much what I said. There are tons of people walking around thinking that vaccination causes autism, and no amount of education will change their minds.  There are also people that participate in horribly unsanitary practices, and don't care what I say (google about people from singapore or micronesia making eachother bleed with coins in order to "cure" illnesses)

 An individual is capable of being willingly ignorant.
I'm pretty sure I could've lectured that guy on TLC and diet modification for hours, and he'd be no less ignorant five minutes after leaving the clinic than when he walked in.
Trans theoretical model, and all.

I mean, as a practitioner, maybe I have a different perspective, but that's the way I see it. 
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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2012, 09:34:29 PM »
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And here I thought the whole point of public health is that certain activities have externalities, creating either benefits or costs to the population as a whole. Things like vaccines, sanitation and the like

True...until people receiving government retirement/medical subsidies started living long enough to develop (and be treated for) all the diseases associated with eating too much of the wrong things.

I've got no "'beef" with Paula.  Everything in moderation.  Is there anyone in the US that doesn't know that saturated fatty foods, or tobacco, booze, etc., are probably not good for you in excess?

Beer commercials don't show pot-bellied, red-faced guys going in for dialysis.  Paula is a brand, just like Budweiser.

 

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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2012, 03:16:07 PM »
How many fat idiots actually cook?

I know everybody knows one or two, but doesn't it seem that Ronald McDonald is far more dangerous?

But anyway, I'm an adult as far as I know.  When Paula Deen force-feeds me this stuff, I'll complain.  When Nigella Lawson does it, I will probably not complain.

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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2012, 07:25:54 PM »
How many fat idiots actually cook?
I know everybody knows one or two, but doesn't it seem that Ronald McDonald is far more dangerous?
But anyway, I'm an adult as far as I know.  When Paula Deen force-feeds me this stuff, I'll complain.  When Nigella Lawson does it, I will probably not complain.

Wait a minute... Can you imagine if McD's announced that Ronald McDonald has High cholesterol, and they did an ad campaign with Tricor??!!??

MARKETING GENIUS!!!!

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Re: Hypocrisy at it's Finest!
« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2012, 11:28:26 PM »
I can understand that people don't like her profiting off of diabetes-inducing food on the one hand, and diabetes-treating drugs on the other. What I don't get is the idea that her own personal health issues have anything to do with it.

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