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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: K Frame on October 21, 2022, 12:43:07 PM
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Bud's just send me an ad for this 1911 in .45. Under $320. Looks pretty good, too.
But I have to take exception to this bit of ad copy...
"An accurate reproduction of the WWI-issued side arm..."
Ooh! ooh! I can answer that! It's NOT an accurate reproduction of the 1911!
The US Model of 1911 did NOT have:
1. A skeletonized Commander-style rounded hammer.
2. Frame scallops behind the trigger.
3. A short bodied trigger.
Additionally, the ejection port on the 1911 was considerably different from the gun Bud's is selling.
About the only thing I can see that is authentic to the 1911 is the flat mainspring housing.
Sigh.
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Buds warns you you can't always go by their pictures.
Looking on SDS's website and the picture for the one they show there appears to be a bit closer. BUT I am not a 1911 expert
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"Buds warns you you can't always go by their pictures."
The statement on Bud's page also says that the pictures are provided by the manufacturer.
OK, I'm not having much success in finding their product page for this gun...
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https://www.tisasusa.com/product-p/usa-wg.htm
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Also appear to be two with very similar descriptions on Bud's website
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/115201/sds+1911a1+.45+acp+5+7rd+black
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That's a 1911A1 -- the 1926 and beyond configuration. It's not a 1911.
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That's a 1911A1 -- the 1926 and beyond configuration. It's not a 1911.
Okay, like I said I'm not a 1911 expert. :P
Oh, and from off Bud's website
Boding and underlining mine.
*Please Note!! Many of our pictures are stock photo\'s provided to us by the manufacturer and do not necessarily represent the actual item being purchased. Please verify this picture accurately reflects the product described by the title and description on this page before you place your order.
I have noticed plenty of errors photo wise over the years on Bud's
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I already covered the stock photos from the manufacturer concept.
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But you left out the, now, underlined part so there :P
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This is the closest thing I'm finding on Tisas' page to what Bud's is calling a faithful reproduction of the World War I 1911...
https://www.tisasusa.com/product-p/1911a1s.htm
IT'S NOT!
But, I can't find anything on Tisas' page that matches, exactly, what Bud's is offering.
What that means to me is that this could be a Bud's special -- a configuration that they requested.
Even if it's a one off special order for them and them alone, it is apparently not what they're claiming it represents.
It's looking more and more like it's one of Tisas' 1911A1 reproductions with a different finish and a flat mainspring housing, but with all of the other alterations that didn't hit the gun until 1926.
To me that's not much different than if Apple were to come out with a spiffy laptop advertised as "An accurate reproduction of Henry VIII's Hampton Court Palace laptop when he ordered Anne Boleyn's beheading! Own a piece of history!"
Complete fucktardery.
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Meh, it's a 1911. Only grouchy old farts care :rofl:
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OK, non-boomer.
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Meh, it's a 1911. Only grouchy old farts care :rofl:
Correct.
Get off my lawn!
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Mike
Link to the Bud's listing for the "M1911"?
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AW CRAP!
I'm sorry, I could have sworn that I put the link in my first screed...
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411560701/sds+imports+1911+service+special+45acp+grey+5?trk_msg=a1t9mnna8034f4c68ljrjit5r0&trk_contact=siq1c5mm7h3k5u58m9o45nedek&trk_sid=r0o6jm13afpmrhatr7f4rrsh5o&trk_link=t5bnn3m9j5skp284r9qujg90u8&utm_source=listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=buy+now&utm_campaign=bgssds102022
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Since the Boomer couldn't actually link to the gun he was upset about I dug through my Spam box to get the Buds Ad.
Here is the offending pistol:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/411560701/sds+imports+1911+service+special+45acp+grey+5
Bud's shitty ad copy aside that appears to be a Tisas 1911A1 "Service Special" which is indeed no longer on Tisas' website but is described by another retailer thusly:
he Tisas 1911A1 Service Special chambered in 45 ACP is a faithful reproduction of the celebrated US Army issue pistol that served our troops so well in WWII and other conflicts. This enhanced version of the legendary single action only 1911 service pistol has a forged steel frame and slide with a 5" barrel. The 1911A1 Service Special features a ring hammer instead of the traditional tang hammer. Series 70 internals, a flat mainspring housing, and a flared and lowered ejection port contribute to the reliability of this classic reproduction. True to the original, the 1911A1 features an original style grip safety and left side mounted thumb safety. Target acquisition comes through low profile GI style A1 combat sights. The affordable Service Special finished in a durable dark grey Cerakote with brown checkered polymer grips shines as both a conversation piece and everyday shooter. TISAS is a respected firearms manufacturer serving civilians, law enforcement, and militaries around the world. The 1911A1 Service Special is a value packed, classic reproduction of the legendary 1911 service pistol that anyone can afford.
So it claims to be an "upgraded" version of a M1911A1, so WWII, not WWI anyway. Buds seems to have mixed up the ad copy with the M1911A1 US Army repro pistol:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/115201/sds+1911a1+.45+acp+5+7rd+black
ETA: The PITA I went through to get that CMP Colt is looking better and better each day.
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I posted Bud's link TWO MINUTES before you got snarky.
Nice fail, whippernsnapper. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
"So it claims to be an "upgraded" version of a M1911A1, so WWII, not WWI anyway. "
It ain't that, either.
I know of no authentic US military 1911A1s of the WW II era that had a Commander hammer AND a flat mainspring housing.
It's just morons slapping a bunch of *expletive deleted*ing parts together and hoping to take dollars from imbeciles...
Sort of like what happened with all of those ULTRA RARE M1 TANKER GARANDS!!! back in the 1960s.
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I posted Bud's link TWO MINUTES before you got snarky.
Nice fail, whippernsnapper. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
I was looking up alternate retailers for a shitty turkish gun. Took me a sec. =D
"So it claims to be an "upgraded" version of a M1911A1, so WWII, not WWI anyway. "
It ain't that, either.
I know of no authentic US military 1911A1s of the WW II era that had a Commander hammer AND a flat mainspring housing.
It's just morons slapping a bunch of *expletive deleted*ing parts together and hoping to take dollars from imbeciles...
Sort of like what happened with all of those ULTRA RARE M1 TANKER GARANDS!!! back in the 1960s.
I believe those are the "upgrades" they speak of. Funny you should mention Tanker Garands though. You can get a Tanker 1911 to match it from Tisas!: https://www.tisasusa.com/product-p/1911a1t.htm
That thing is sure to make your eye twitch.
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(https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/ItemImages/000476/20030546_1_lg.jpeg)
ACCURATE REPRODUCTION OF M1917 COLT REVOLVOLATOR
( Photographs may not accurately represent the articles described.)
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(https://auctions.morphyauctions.com/ItemImages/000476/20030546_1_lg.jpeg)
ACCURATE REPRODUCTION OF M1917 COLT PISTOL
( Photographs may not accurately represent the articles described.)
That's after Bubba got done sporterizing it.
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It's a .45.
It's che... er... affordable.
Someone buy one and let us poors know how you like it.
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So it claims to be an "upgraded" version of a M1911A1, so WWII, not WWI anyway. Buds seems to have mixed up the ad copy with the M1911A1 US Army repro pistol:
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/115201/sds+1911a1+.45+acp+5+7rd+black
Not really. An A1 would have an arched mainspring housing, like most of the Tisas 1911s. The hammer is obviously wrong, but can be easily replaced. And the grip safety tang appears to be the short/small configuration, which would be correct for an M1911.
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It's just morons slapping a bunch of *expletive deleted*ing parts together and hoping to take dollars from imbeciles...
Sort of like what happened with all of those ULTRA RARE M1 TANKER GARANDS!!! back in the 1960s.
Funny you should mention that. On the Tisas web site, they show a "Tanker" version of the 1911. It appears to be a straightforward Combat Commander configuration -- my understanding is that the historical configuration that was unofficially known as a "Tanker" was a full-size of Commander frame with an Officers ACP slide and barrel.
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https://www.tisasusa.com/product-p/1911a1s.htm
I have this one. It was cheap and I wanted an older looking 1911 to shoot so I would be less tempted to further wear out my CMP 1911.
There were lots of reviews of the Tisas 1911-A1 when it came out. Most pointed out the different ways it was NOT a 1911A1, but said most were parts that could be changed. My hesitation would be that that mine doesn't feed hollow points all that well. I don't need it to, just something to note.
https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1911-semi-automatic-45-acp-5-barrel-nickel.html
Cimarron still has this on their site. They used to have a 1911 that they billed as a "Wild Bunch" 1911, but it wasn't quite 100% original either. I don't know if anyone actually makes a true original.
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A historic thread: never before has a painstakingly accurate reproduction of the original, WWI Model of 1911 pistol (personally hand-fitted and blessed by John Browning at the cusp of eventide on a full moon) turned out to be a slap-dash, half-cocked gun, made overseas, from piles of random, MIM parts.
Some of you have obviously never shopped for 1911s before. :P
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I have a Norinco. I like it. It goes bang.
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https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1911-semi-automatic-45-acp-5-barrel-nickel.html
Cimarron still has this on their site. They used to have a 1911 that they billed as a "Wild Bunch" 1911, but it wasn't quite 100% original either. I don't know if anyone actually makes a true original.
What's up with the grip safety, right hand view?
<shrug>. I'll stick with my Rock Island GI. Not authentic, never claimed to be.
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https://www.tisasusa.com/product-p/1911a1s.htm
I have this one. It was cheap and I wanted an older looking 1911 to shoot so I would be less tempted to further wear out my CMP 1911.
There were lots of reviews of the Tisas 1911-A1 when it came out. Most pointed out the different ways it was NOT a 1911A1, but said most were parts that could be changed. My hesitation would be that that mine doesn't feed hollow points all that well. I don't need it to, just something to note.
https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1911-semi-automatic-45-acp-5-barrel-nickel.html
Cimarron still has this on their site. They used to have a 1911 that they billed as a "Wild Bunch" 1911, but it wasn't quite 100% original either. I don't know if anyone actually makes a true original.
A .45 is already expanded.
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Aren't the sights a lot taller than a WWI issue 1911?
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What's up with the grip safety, right hand view?
<shrug>. I'll stick with my Rock Island GI. Not authentic, never claimed to be.
Don't know anything about SDS/Tisa but for a budget 191, Rock Island makes a good solid, no frills pistol.
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Don't know anything about SDS/Tisa but for a budget 191, Rock Island makes a good solid, no frills pistol.
All the reviews for the Tisas were that it worked and seemed to be well made and mil-spec parts fit. I don't think I have ever seen a detailed comparison between it and other bargain 1911's. I have always heard good things about Rock Island guns. I always hesitated to spend the month, but was able to get it recently for cheap similar to the Buds price. For that, it is worth it IMO. If you want to upgrade it to something for defense, I would suggest other models with dovetail sights.
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https://www.cimarron-firearms.com/1911-semi-automatic-45-acp-5-barrel-nickel.html
Cimarron still has this on their site. They used to have a 1911 that they billed as a "Wild Bunch" 1911, but it wasn't quite 100% original either. I don't know if anyone actually makes a true original.
It's made for Cimarron by Armscor, and for what it is it's insanely over-priced. It's also a horrible copy -- that photo doesn't show it well, but if you look at a view directly from either side you can see that the trigger window cut behind the trigger isn't even close to the original M1911.
Being an Armscor, it probably functions okay -- but the looks are so bad that if I were given one today, I'd sell it tomorrow.
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I have a Springfield M1911-A1 Milspec.
It's a LOT closer to being period/type authentic.
And it shoots well, too. AND it will feed hollowpoints.
Guy at my gun club in Pennsylvania had one of those bolt action Remingtons.
I seem to recall it being in either 6mm or 7mm Benchrest.
Holy sweet mother of dog was that thing accurate, and he was GOOD with it.
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Similarly I've heard OK things about the Tisas 1911s. They're functional, generally, and they're relatively inexpensive.
I keep looking at getting a Rock Island 1911 in .38 Super, not because I want a Rock Island 1911, but because I want a .38 Super. That cartridge has always fascinated me.
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I have a Norinco. I like it. It goes bang.
Back when I was an FFL, ALL that Norinco stuff was a STEAL!
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Aren't the sights a lot taller than a WWI issue 1911?
Yep. And the front sight isn't the correct profile. Not even close.
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I have a Springfield M1911-A1 Milspec.
It's a LOT closer to being period/type authentic.
And it shoots well, too. AND it will feed hollowpoints.
Guy at my gun club in Pennsylvania had one of those bolt action Remingtons.
I seem to recall it being in either 6mm or 7mm Benchrest.
Holy sweet mother of dog was that thing accurate, and he was GOOD with it.
Don't get me wrong, I would agree the Springfield 1911 is better, but it is also twice as much as the price in the OP. For a beater gun to play with, this works okay. I also plan to play with upgrading parts on this one just to learn more about the platform.
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I have no clue what a Springer Mil Spec goes for these days. I've had mine for almost 30 years.
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https://dkfirearms.com/product/springfield-armory-1911-mil-spec-defender-series/
Here is I link I noticed a few minutes ago. $620.
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https://dkfirearms.com/product/springfield-armory-1911-mil-spec-defender-series/
Here is I link I noticed a few minutes ago. $620.
$709 MSRP. (They have a Kali compliant version that's ~$150 more (MSRP). No idea what the difference is between them. The only visible difference is the grips.)
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-mil-spec-handguns/ (https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-mil-spec-handguns/)
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$709 MSRP. (They have a Kali compliant version that's ~$150 more (MSRP). No idea what the difference is between them. The only visible difference is the grips.)
https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-mil-spec-handguns/ (https://www.springfield-armory.com/1911-series-handguns/1911-mil-spec-handguns/)
Possibly the calif version has a stupid mag disconnect.
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Possibly the calif version has a stupid mag disconnect.
Or some streeetburger in the testing dept didn't like the standard grips because they were icky and pooey and not artsy so let's make them change them.
The mag disconnect thing probably nailed it.. My personal long-standing opinion is that mag disconnects are a design defect.
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