Obama open to international arms control treaty

[Balog]

Just another step towards the UN setting gun laws in America. I can see now that Obama wasn't lying when he said he wouldn't come after our guns. He'll let his terrorist buddies at the UN do it for him. 

http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSTRE59E0Q920091015

[Strings]

Oh, my... you mean Obama's administration is opening the doors for the UN to...

Nevermind: I can't pretend to be shocked at this. We all knew SOME attack against guns was coming...

[Balog]

Oh, my... you mean Obama's administration is opening the doors for the UN to...

Nevermind: I can't pretend to be shocked at this. We all knew SOME attack against guns was coming...

Not unexpected, that's for sure. Still needs to be shouted from the rooftops for the Fudds.

[Perd Hapley]

But this is for our safety.  Full-auto Uzis were legalized in 2004, dontcha know. 

[Balog]

If G.W. and the R's had done half the stuff liberals claim I'd be giving 1/4 of my check to the GOP and trying to get a shrine raised to W. 

[RevDisk]

Just another step towards the UN setting gun laws in America. I can see now that Obama wasn't lying when he said he wouldn't come after our guns. He'll let his terrorist buddies at the UN do it for him. 

Dude?  Chill.  The UN is not coming for your guns.  Ever.  Even under the most remote circumstances.  I spoke with UN police before.  They'd mutiny if given the orders to take guns from Americans, as they'd see it as a more survivable experience.

The only folks that can take away any of our freedoms and civil liberties are our own elected officials.

[Balog]

If that sounded like I was saying the bleu helmets were going to try something, I need to rephrase. I never meant UN forces would try anything. Merely that Obama would sign on to an international disarmament treaty that would run US manufacturers out of business (or hobble the ammo industry etc). Not UN forces, UN treaties. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but international treaties we agree to are just as binding on us as domestic laws, right? So it's a slick way for him to avoid "passing gun control regulations" while still putting those same infringements in place.

[MicroBalrog]

People who think the UN will never become a supranational government need to wake up. To be sure, it'll take decades and it'll be a gradual process, but a supranational government, working through treaties and regulations, is something that can happen. It had already happened to the Europeans [and the EU ain't done spreading yet!], it's quite likely that we'll see other such groups emerge in the coming years.

Already the various international treaties have created a network of global controls on many things – why do you think many nations destroy surplus ammo rather than resell it? – but none of these things are spectacular and cinematic like the blue helmets marching on your hometown, so people don't worry about them.

[sanglant]

Not unexpected, that's for sure. Still needs to be shouted from the rooftops for the Fudds.

wolverines!!!!!



there ya go

[MechAg94]

People who think the UN will never become a supranational government need to wake up. To be sure, it'll take decades and it'll be a gradual process, but a supranational government, working through treaties and regulations, is something that can happen. It had already happened to the Europeans [and the EU ain't done spreading yet!], it's quite likely that we'll see other such groups emerge in the coming years.

Already the various international treaties have created a network of global controls on many things – why do you think many nations destroy surplus ammo rather than resell it? – but none of these things are spectacular and cinematic like the blue helmets marching on your hometown, so people don't worry about them.

I can't remember if I ever read SciFi that had the UN as the world govt in the future, but I have come across 2 or 3 of them lately.  The most plausible was exactly that.  It came about through a myriad of treaties and eventually taxes. 

[AZRedhawk44]

If that sounded like I was saying the bleu helmets were going to try something, I need to rephrase. I never meant UN forces would try anything. Merely that Obama would sign on to an international disarmament treaty that would run US manufacturers out of business (or hobble the ammo industry etc). Not UN forces, UN treaties. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but international treaties we agree to are just as binding on us as domestic laws, right? So it's a slick way for him to avoid "passing gun control regulations" while still putting those same infringements in place.

^^This.

We'll never get to take potshots at Kofi Anan and his buddies while the blue helmets stick out in your deer rifle scope in the Kansas prairie.

They'll just fight the culture war against us, until we have no means to fight it back at them.  They go after ammo.  It means less trigger time for us.  It means less sharing of our sport and philosophies with others.  It means handing off the legacy of the "Gun Culture" to a smaller generation, rather than a larger one.  It's already happened in 1934... then in 1968... then in 1986... then in 1994.  Fortunately, we took a little bit of ground back in 2004 and we're making domestic inroads.  Our Canadian and Brit friends seem to be finally itching for a bit more freedom to pursue our lifestyle and are right now "petitioning" their masters for permission to do so like they once had.

They don't need soldiers, police or bullets.  Just political elites capable of imposing fines and penalties on transportation companies, importers or ammunition manufacturers.  If they can't do it democratically, then they'll do it by "treaty."

[Nitrogen]

Do we really think that 2/3 of the senate will ratify any arms treaty?

[Balog]

Do we really think that 2/3 of the senate will ratify any arms treaty?

This Senate? If Obama threatens to take their fed. funding?

[Nitrogen]

This Senate? If Obama threatens to take their fed. funding?

The executive branch controls budgets now? 
Even if he wanted to veto any congressional spending bill until they ratify it'd be suicide for him to push that hard, and he knows it.

[Jamisjockey]

The executive branch controls budgets now? 
Even if he wanted to veto any congressional spending bill until they ratify it'd be suicide for him to push that hard, and he knows it.

He's got 3 years left.  Less if the election doesn't go his way.  He wants to transform America so badly he can taste it, and its right there just out of reach....
Health care was just the first, big chunk.

[Balog]

When I see all the blue dogs revving up the kamikaze of health care legislation I start to be way more open to the idea they'll do something stupid. And El Presidente can do pretty much whatever he wants between Executive Orders and pressuring the various appointed heads of alphabet soup agencies.

[longeyes]

One thing we can be sure of: the future will not be what we expect.  One rogue Trident submarine could easily change the course of history.  That so many of us expect the crushing boot of global techno-fascism, under the aegis of a one-world state, probably suggests that anarchy and tribalism are the more plausible scenario.

[MicroBalrog]

One thing we can be sure of: the future will not be what we expect.  One rogue Trident submarine could easily change the course of history.  That so many of us expect the crushing boot of global techno-fascism, under the aegis of a one-world state, probably suggests that anarchy and tribalism are the more plausible scenario.

Reading too much Hobbes late at night, are we?

[Balog]

Reading too much Hobbes late at night, are we?

Your comment is too brutish and short to justify a rebuttal.   

[makattak]

Your comment is too brutish and short to justify a rebuttal.   

That's just being nasty.   

[SADShooter]

It'll happen while we're distracted by a Levi-athon.

[MechAg94]

He's got 3 years left.  Less if the election doesn't go his way.  He wants to transform America so badly he can taste it, and its right there just out of reach....
Health care was just the first, big chunk.

Well, the health care mess isn't over yet.  We'll see.

[longeyes]

Micro, I thought you liked anarchy... 

[Waitone]

Do we really think that 2/3 of the senate will ratify any arms treaty?

Assuming the senate is presented with a treaty.  NAFTA was an "agreement" requiring a simple majority in both houses.

[longeyes]

They told us "history" ended when The Wall fell 20 years ago.  Now it appears "politics" ended in 2008 with the election of Obama.  Naw.  We are playing for the highest stakes here.  This isn't just going to be a case study for a polisci course in 2029.  And I really don't believe that the good people of America are going to sit by and become serfs.  There are a lot of yellowbrick roads in front of us.