Sanctuary politics

[Hawkmoon]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-farmworkers-ice-20180316-htmlstory.html

I'm trying hard to dredge up sympathy for illegal aliens who are finally getting caught after being here for years, but I just can't do it. They know they're illegal, and those who have been here "for decades" have had decades to do something about making themselves legal -- but they haven't done it. As for the farmers who rely on illegal labor -- there is a guest worker program that allows foreign workers to enter on a temporary basis for seasonal farm work. It's not my fault if California farmers have continued to hire illegals rather than follow the law.

It's not just California. The guy who used to do my yard work disappeared a year ago. He was around during the winter of 2016-2017, and he plowed my driveway several times. When spring of 2017 rolled around, though, he was nowhere to be found. I drove by the address on his card (he had a business card), and there was no sign of either of his two pickup trucks. He wasn't around this winter for plowing, either.

I know he was from Mexico. He didn't speak English, and my Spanish is pretty limited. We hired him when my wife (who spoke Spanish as her native language) found him somewhere. I could speak just enough to say hello and to pay him, but not to have any real conversations. My best guess is that he self-deported when Trump was elected.

On an individual level, I feel a degree of sympathy. He was a nice guy and a hard worker. The issue isn't that all illegal aliens are rapists and/or terrorists. The issue is simply that they are illegal. Individual sympathies aside, on a systemic level it's not tenable to have millions of illegal workers taking work away from people who are here legally, and sending huge chunks of money out of our national economy and sending it back to family in the native country.

And no, I didn't -- and don't -- know that he was illegal. My wife knew that I am adamantly against illegals, so when she hired him and I saw that he had a business card I assumed that he was legal. That now appears to have been naive on my part.

[makattak]

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-farmworkers-ice-20180316-htmlstory.html

I'm trying hard to dredge up sympathy for illegal aliens who are finally getting caught after being here for years, but I just can't do it. They know they're illegal, and those who have been here "for decades" have had decades to do something about making themselves legal -- but they haven't done it. As for the farmers who rely on illegal labor -- there is a guest worker program that allows foreign workers to enter on a temporary basis for seasonal farm work. It's not my fault if California farmers have continued to hire illegals rather than follow the law.

It's not just California. The guy who used to do my yard work disappeared a year ago. He was around during the winter of 2016-2017, and he plowed my driveway several times. When spring of 2017 rolled around, though, he was nowhere to be found. I drove by the address on his card (he had a business card), and there was no sign of either of his two pickup trucks. He wasn't around this winter for plowing, either.

I know he was from Mexico. He didn't speak English, and my Spanish is pretty limited. We hired him when my wife (who spoke Spanish as her native language) found him somewhere. I could speak just enough to say hello and to pay him, but not to have any real conversations. My best guess is that he self-deported when Trump was elected.

On an individual level, I feel a degree of sympathy. He was a nice guy and a hard worker. The issue isn't that all illegal aliens are rapists and/or terrorists. The issue is simply that they are illegal. Individual sympathies aside, on a systemic level it's not tenable to have millions of illegal workers taking work away from people who are here legally, and sending huge chunks of money out of our national economy and sending it back to family in the native country.

And no, I didn't -- and don't -- know that he was illegal. My wife knew that I am adamantly against illegals, so when she hired him and I saw that he had a business card I assumed that he was legal. That now appears to have been naive on my part.

These people are often hard workers.

Unfortunately, their illegality leads to all kinds of other illegality, and I'm not meaning the egregious criminals (rapists, murderers, theives) that are a small, but still larger than the native population, percentage of the illegal aliens.

No, I'm talking about identity theft, insurance fraud, housing law breaking, etc... A much greater percentage of these people enter our country and ignore a great number of other laws- driving without insurance, living with 4 families in a single family home- things that make the cost of living for these illegals much lower. This allows them to outcompete native workers and displace many unskilled laborers who simply can't work as cheaply because the government dictates that LEGAL workers must pay for a great deal more "living" than the illegals who are allowed to slide.

(And this isn't even referring to the issues of paying illegals cash with no intent of ever paying taxes/social security/retirement that may be dictated by the state.)

The illegal aliens are depressing the wages of the worst-off in our society. And yet, too many of these people keep voting for democrats who want to bring in even more competition for their jobs and keep their wages low. (Or nonexistant.)

This honestly is one of the things that really angers me. The Democrats are screwing over the "lower classes" but still get a huge percentage of their vote. (And are even worse to the black population, and get a MUCH higher percentage of that vote.)

[Perd Hapley]

I believe our main concerns, on immigration/border issues, should be two.

First, that Americans be reminded that the U.S. controls her own border; that only our citizens have a say in who can come in from outside. Though we may be so generous as to welcome foreigners, we do so at our discretion, and not because they have any right whatsoever to be here. Whether we let in 1 immigrant or 100 million, and regardless on what terms they enter or remain, the Left must be defeated in their attempt to confuse this issue.

Secondly, just like citizens of the several states don't want blue state refugees to come in and destroy their red states by enacting blue state principles, we should make sure that American principles remain predominant over any anti-American notions brought in from outside. We have enough anti-American influence coming from within our own citizenry. We must not import same.

[HankB]

. . . As for the farmers who rely on illegal labor -- there is a guest worker program that allows foreign workers to enter on a temporary basis for seasonal farm work. It's not my fault if California farmers have continued to hire illegals rather than follow the law. . . .

As long as we have able bodied adults collecting welfare, there should be NO need for immigrant farm labor.

[Hawkmoon]

As long as we have able bodied adults collecting welfare, there should be NO need for immigrant farm labor.

But they told me that Americans don't want to do that kind of work!

[Pb]

But they told me that Americans don't want to do that kind of work!

Well, I'm pretty sure they don't want to do that kind of work!   

Without welfare, they would have to do it though.

I don't think my dad enjoyed picking cotton when he was eight years old!

(I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it either!)

[HankB]

But they told me that Americans don't want to do that kind of work!

Hunger is a great motivator . . .

[MechAg94]

Well, I'm pretty sure they don't want to do that kind of work!   

Without welfare, they would have to do it though.

I don't think my dad enjoyed picking cotton when he was eight years old!

(I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it either!)

I think a lot of people today don't realize that a LOT of people picked cotton back in the day.  My grandfather did.  I think a machine was invented to do the job much more recently than most people would assume. 

[RoadKingLarry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrz_Jl7s_Go

Somebody had to do it 

The last time the Democrats got their "cheap" labor taken away they started a war.

[p12]

My wife who is 58 picked cotton until she was 15. Her old school German folks didn’t have a phone in their house until she was a junior in high school which would have been in 1976. She dragged a cotton sack until she was 10. After her dad bought a stripper then she hand picked what the stripper didn’t get. Hoed weeds until she was into her late twenties with our two kids in tow to help her dad. Saying he was tight with his money would be and under statement. Her mom made her and her two sisters their clothes until they went into high school. Made their own soap. Anything to keep from spending a dime.

To say no one will do those jobs except illegals is bull *expletive deleted*it.


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[makattak]

My wife who is 58 picked cotton until she was 15. [1]Her old school German folks didn’t have a phone in their house until she was a junior in high school which would have been in 1976. [2]She dragged a cotton sack until she was 10. [3]After her dad bought a stripper then she hand picked what the stripper didn’t get. [4]Hoed weeds until she was into her late twenties with our two kids in tow to help her dad. Saying he was tight with his money would be and under statement. Her mom [5]made her and her two sisters their clothes until they went into high school. [6]Made their own soap. Anything to keep from spending a dime.

To say no one will do those jobs except illegals is bull *expletive deleted*it.


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And, updated for today:

[1] Child endangerment
[2] Child abuse
[3] And you claim he was tight with money, I guess "entertainment" was fine with him
[4] Child abuse/Child neglect by your wife (And shouldn't the stripper be doing any "hoeing?")
[5] Child abuse
[6] Child endangerment

[French G.]

All these newfound Federalists make me love the central government, almost as disturbing as when the blm clowns got me cheering for cops. If you believe in state's rights then the first thing to do is to decide what to fight over. Or what not to fight over, like things that are black and white within the sphere of federal control. Like immigration. Or selling federal land within a state, or whatever other cutesy thing Cali is doing to resist today.

[p12]

And, updated for today:

[1] Child endangerment
[2] Child abuse
[3] And you claim he was tight with money, I guess "entertainment" was fine with him
[4] Child abuse/Child neglect by your wife (And shouldn't the stripper be doing any "hoeing?")
[5] Child abuse
[6] Child endangerment

Hoe \Hoe\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Hoed; p. pr. & vb. n. Hoeing.] [Cf. F. houer.] To cut, dig, scrape, turn, arrange, or clean, with a hoe; as, to hoe the earth in a garden; also, to clear from weeds, or to loosen or arrange the earth about, with a hoe.

Not the other kind of hoeing.

https://goo.gl/images/E1hbey

LOL.


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[HeroHog]

Different "stripper" as well I'd imagine...

[p12]

Different "stripper" as well I'd imagine...

Sorry keep forgetting about differing backgrounds.

Tractor mounted stripper.

https://goo.gl/images/yFBSMy


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[makattak]

Tractor mounted stripper.

Hey, whatever floats your boat man. We're all "sex-positive" around here.

[Scout26]

Some of us are less "sex-postive" then others...that way madness lies....

[Hawkmoon]

Some of us are less "sex-postive" then others...that way madness lies....

Ah ... words are great, as long as everyone agrees on what they mean. "Hoe" / "Ho" -- "stripper" / "stripper" -- what's in a word? Madness lies in using the same word while speaking of different things.

[HeroHog]

I'd like sex, I'm positive I would!

[Angel Eyes]

I think a lot of people today don't realize that a LOT of people picked cotton back in the day.  My grandfather did.  I think a machine was invented to do the job much more recently than most people would assume. 

That reminds me:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PToqVW4n86U     (NSFW language)

[Doggy Daddy]

I'd like sex, I'm positive I would!

"The sex you want, you can't get.
The sex you get, you don't want."

Saw that somewhere recently.  Might have been talking about prison, though.

[HeroHog]

There's a tshirt about that...


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[p12]

Since this thread has already drifted.

My brother in law is a cotton farmer. Where I now live most people are not familiar with some words people like me use.

He fell off of a stripper a few years ago almost killed him. Three broken ribs collapsed lung and broken collarbone.

The few days following the accident I told some of my coworkers what happened. It took me a few minutes to figure out why the “this does not compute” look on their faces.

Was pretty funny. A pole dancer type stripper never entered my mind. It was just normal nomenclature for me and didn’t think anything of it.


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[French G.]

Meanwhile co-workers are aghast because they have done the math on what weight class stripper it would take to allow a grown man to fall off and that mental image isn't fading.

[p12]

Meanwhile co-workers are aghast because they have done the math on what weight class stripper it would take to allow a grown man to fall off and that mental image isn't fading.

That may have been the non compute look also.

LMAO


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