Post by: Bogie on May 07, 2008, 08:43:43 PM
And McCain is also likely to have to choose someone more conservative than he is, more or less to just appease folks... Huck? Mitt? Fred? Or a woman or minority? I think that Condi Rice could make things interesting, but that'd leave things open for the "it's just another Bush" crowd, and since we've had seven years of "Bush is Bad" force fed to us by the media, a LOT of people now believe that to be the case, regardless of any evidence presented to the contrary. They don't know WHY he's bad - they just know that he is, and you can't persuade them otherwise... The Republicans are gonna need a clean break.
So, any non-male, non-caucasian Republicans out there? Who are dumb enough or power hungry enough for the job?
Not Paul - not that he or his positions are bad, but too many of his supporters are just too weird, and it could turn off a lot of fence-sitters...
Hillary's media strategy has backfired on her in a big way... I'm guessing that some of her "consulting companies" were the folks who have been crafting the media/internet campaign for the past seven years about how people should vote for anyone but a Republican - vote for CHANGE! - Oops...
If Obama gets the nod, and Hillary doesn't have him whacked before the nomination, I think he's going to have to find himself a conservative democrat to even have a chance. Too many of Hillary's supporters will go McCain rather than Obama.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 07, 2008, 08:46:24 PM
True Republicans out there would have to lean towards Huckabee.
Post by: Northwoods on May 07, 2008, 09:43:49 PM
I think McCain could do ok with Lieberman.
True Republicans out there would have to lean towards Huckabee.
True Republicans out there would have to lean towards Huckabee.
Huh. Lieberman would lead to so many conservatives sitting out the election that the Donks would win for sure. Huck would be better than Lieberman only by a matter of degree.
A couple people I've heard mentioned are Steele and Palin. Black and female respectivly, neither beholden or otherwise overly tied to W, reasonable conservative cred., and a lot younger than McCain. Not sure what I think of Palin, but the time or two I've seen Steele on Fox I liked what I heard. Still need a lot more info before passing judgement on either of them though.
Post by: seeker_two on May 08, 2008, 01:31:01 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 08, 2008, 04:06:36 AM
I think McCain could do ok with Lieberman.
True Republicans out there would have to lean towards Huckabee.
True Republicans out there would have to lean towards Huckabee.
Oh, god, no. Grown men do not WHINE like Lieberman does. I can't stand hearing him talk.
Huck is okay. Huck supports 2A, too, and that's very important.
Post by: HankB on May 08, 2008, 09:18:56 AM
The guy I'd really like to see is Dr. Walter Williams . . . but there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of a conservative academic like him getting the VP slot.
A name that's surfaced a few times is Bobby Jindal, though his age - about 36? - and relative lack of experience count heavily against him. Maybe in another 4 - 8 years.
Any conservative governors out there somewhere who'd be willing to play second fiddle?
Post by: roo_ster on May 08, 2008, 09:37:40 AM
Post by: taurusowner on May 08, 2008, 11:11:51 AM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on May 08, 2008, 11:31:45 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 08, 2008, 12:44:20 PM
Post by: Marvin Dao on May 08, 2008, 01:13:25 PM
Palin? I had to google the name. Isn't that a bad thing?
Yep.
Palin and Jindal have the same problem. Too young for the slot and not enough seasoning time in a high government slot. Both may make for good presidential candidates in 8-20 years so I don't see them stepping out of their governorships and playing veep for McCain.
I'd like to see Condi as veep, but she'd definitely hurt the Republican ticket due to the Bush association even if she does count as a double minority. Because of that, I don't see McCain picking her. Steele's a decent conservative pick, but I don't think there will be any political gain from his race. No way he'd be able to outdraw Obama when it comes to that sort of thing.
I'd bet that we'll see Mitt as veep though. He moves the ticket marginally closer to the center where they'd be better able to catch renegade Hillary supporters and shores up McCain's major weak points. (Age, weak economic policy, etc.) He's definitely ambitious enough to put up with a veep slot for McCain for 4-8 years while biding his time.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 08, 2008, 05:09:57 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 08, 2008, 06:51:58 PM
Post by: seeker_two on May 09, 2008, 01:33:05 AM
McCain could also do a lot better than KBH.
True...from a conservative, trustworthiness viewpoint, that is.....but she may draw in enough of the disgruntled Hillary voters to "help" McCain's chances.....
....but then again, he may go for a Christy Todd-Whitman-type for just that reason....
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 09, 2008, 02:03:30 AM
Post by: Dannyboy on May 09, 2008, 03:50:22 AM
I'd like to see Thompson but he already said that he will not run as VP.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 09, 2008, 04:05:41 AM
Post by: Scout26 on May 09, 2008, 06:02:50 AM
I'd love the VP slot, the ultimate do-nothing job. (Even better then being a kept man, JJ
....) Tell me what to say and when to say it. Free room and board, limos and a jet to haul my worthless butt around in and nice house. Nice perks for life after you quit/get fired.
Sign me up.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 09, 2008, 06:07:36 AM
Post by: charby on May 09, 2008, 06:13:44 AM
You have to appear in the Senate sometimes, and not fall asleep or be caught picking your nose when the cameras are on you.
I could never be a VP. I get irritated or fall asleep when meetings go slow or a lot of BS bickering. Sometimes I wield the knowledge of Robert Rules other times I doodle. I hate bickering that isn't germane to what is being debated.
Post by: Waitone on May 09, 2008, 06:47:26 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 09, 2008, 06:53:11 AM
McCain convinced himself he can win without the help of "conservatives". We'll see if he really believes it. In any case McCain has a real problem with the "conservative" base. His multi-decade schtik of playing the maverick may well bite him. He's been something less than loyal to his party and now he's in a position of asking the party to be loyal to him. I can't wait to see how he gets out of this one.
MCCain is no less nor more "conservative" than Bush. All he needs to shore up the "Conservative" base is an anti abotion, anti gay christian "conservative". Yea, I can't wait. We get to choose between a product of the daley Shitcago machine, or 4 more years of Bush-like conservatisim. Hip, Hip, Hooray!
(PS, I'm voting 3rd party :neener:)
Post by: seeker_two on May 09, 2008, 07:40:07 AM
]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Stein
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 09, 2008, 07:42:17 AM
Post by: HankB on May 09, 2008, 09:26:50 AM
Paddy for Veep. With his plan to literally do nothing on election day, he's perfect!
If doing nothing is your plan . . . how do you know when you're through?
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 09, 2008, 09:28:47 AM
Paddy for Veep. With his plan to literally do nothing on election day, he's perfect!
If doing nothing is your plan . . . how do you know when you're through?I think it involves change and hope.
Post by: Scout26 on May 09, 2008, 09:35:23 AM
Paddy for Veep. With his plan to literally do nothing on election day, he's perfect!
If doing nothing is your plan . . . how do you know when you're through?I think it involves change and hope.
And the audacity of hoping for change.
Post by: Ezekiel on May 09, 2008, 11:41:39 AM
Post by: seeker_two on May 09, 2008, 12:11:02 PM
Paddy for Veep. With his plan to literally do nothing on election day, he's perfect!
If doing nothing is your plan . . . how do you know when you're through?I like to think of it as a work in progress.....
Post by: Werewolf on May 12, 2008, 11:51:28 AM
1. Youth - or at least young enough so that he or she won't keel over and die of natural causes during the term. McCain might make it thru one term but two? I really have the feeling that who ever the VP is they'll be stepping into the Prez's shoes sometime during the 1st or 2nd term.
2. National Stature or at least someone that the Reps can build to National Stature in the time alloted.
3. From a large swing state
4. A woman. Being black won't matter. Blacks consider black republicans to be uncle toms and in general won't vote for them plus they've shown that they pretty much prefer the candidate who whines along with them about how freaking oppressed they are. An hispanic woman would probably be a plus.
Who fits the bill above? Beats me but in a nation of 300 million someone does.
Post by: yesitsloaded on May 13, 2008, 12:40:56 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 13, 2008, 12:55:50 PM
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If doing nothing is your plan . . . how do you know when you're through?
I think it involves change and hope.
I think it involves change and hope.
No, only those who think their vote still matters care about change and hope.
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 14, 2008, 03:49:01 AM
I am thinking Alan Keyes: the only right-wing, radical, psycho, nutjob boy -- who is black -- that is the least bit known on a National stage? He pulls McCain to the right and gets some black votes?
They'll label him an uncle tom (again) for not touting the reparations and entitlement lines. Keyes has already run before and made less of a showing than Ron Paul.
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 14, 2008, 03:50:16 AM
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If doing nothing is your plan . . . how do you know when you're through?
I think it involves change and hope.
I think it involves change and hope.
No, only those who think their vote still matters care about change and hope.
That's right. Lets turn over control of the whole electoral process to the most radical aspects of the parties.
There are alternative parties to the (R) and (D). But you've lost your bearings and can't see through your own flying spittle.
Post by: Ezekiel on May 14, 2008, 09:16:29 AM
I am thinking Alan Keyes: the only right-wing, radical, psycho, nutjob boy -- who is black -- that is the least bit known on a National stage? He pulls McCain to the right and gets some black votes?
They'll label him an uncle tom (again) for not touting the reparations and entitlement lines. Keyes has already run before and made less of a showing than Ron Paul.
Noted.
Thanks!
Post by: thebaldguy on May 14, 2008, 01:50:19 PM
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 14, 2008, 07:54:26 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 14, 2008, 09:29:08 PM
Well, maybe not that last part.
What a dream team that would be. The amiable dunces with nothing more than good hair, mellifluous voices and a term-and-a-half of Senatorial experience between them.
Post by: Balog on May 15, 2008, 04:30:35 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on May 15, 2008, 04:32:15 AM
Edwards would be perfect for the ticket. Good looking. Docile. And he has the gravitas and experience that Obama lacks.
Well, maybe not that last part. What a dream team that would be. The amiable dunces with nothing more than good hair, mellifluous voices and a term-and-a-half of Senatorial experience between them.
Well, maybe not that last part.
What a dream team that would be. The amiable dunces with nothing more than good hair, mellifluous voices and a term-and-a-half of Senatorial experience between them.An empty suit and a walking haircut.
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"You have any idea how to run this nation thing, John?"
"No idea, Barack, no idea."
"How about raising taxes? That causes more money, right?"
"Don't know, money's just something I'm used to having."
"Right, right...Oh, me too."
"No idea, Barack, no idea."
"How about raising taxes? That causes more money, right?"
"Don't know, money's just something I'm used to having."
"Right, right...Oh, me too."
Post by: ilbob on May 15, 2008, 05:52:49 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 15, 2008, 01:31:01 PM
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"How about raising taxes? That causes more money, right?"
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