Author Topic: RIP Dollhouse (Read 12263 times)

tyme · « **on:** November 11, 2009, 04:02:52 PM »

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/11/this-just-in-dollhouse-axed/

Another Whedon show bites the dust.

:cries:

Iain · « **Reply #1 on:** November 11, 2009, 04:05:07 PM »

I'd persevered with it and it was really beginning to get good. Back to Buffy then.

BlueStarLizzard · « **Reply #2 on:** November 11, 2009, 04:13:41 PM »

13 is a very unlucky number for joss whedon.

*sigh* at least their gonna air the last 13.

MechAg94 · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2009, 05:05:02 PM »

I wonder if they count you as a viewer if you DVR the show and have yet to watch most of them?

It is an interesting show, but seems to get further wrapped up in deeper conspiracy the further it goes.

brimic · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2009, 06:20:51 PM »

I only saw 2 episodes, but it kept my interest (which is a rare thing with tv shows).

roo_ster · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:06:02 PM »

Does not surprise me, as it was the weakest JW show ever to air.

Also, if one puts an ounce of thought into it, one understands that there are almost no sympathetic characters and most are just plain evil.

Doggy Daddy · « **Reply #6 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:39:03 PM »

Quote from: jfruser on November 11, 2009, 09:06:02 PM

Also, if one puts an ounce of thought into it, one understands that there are almost no sympathetic characters and most are just plain evil.

I watched one show and quickly came to the same conclusion. Well, I exaggerate... I didn't make it through the full show.

DD

Devonai · « **Reply #7 on:** November 11, 2009, 09:44:52 PM »

I enjoyed the first season, but not enough to make an effort to watch the second. There are too many other offerings on Hulu to take up my free time.

HankB · « **Reply #8 on:** November 11, 2009, 10:07:25 PM »

Dollhouse is still on?

The show had some PG-rated eye candy, otherwise it was only lacking plot, dialog, acting, and direction.

Iain · « **Reply #9 on:** November 11, 2009, 10:15:24 PM »

I'm sure Joss will pop in for a debrief on where he has gone wrong.

Silver Bullet · « **Reply #10 on:** November 11, 2009, 10:27:47 PM »

Maybe the best show since Firefly, IMHO.

Great dialog, interesting concept, and it was gradually coming to terms with the moral dilemmas the show presented.

Gotta love a show that has lines like these:

Echo's "handler", handing her a pistol:
"Do you know how to use that ?"

Echo:
"I had four brothers, and none of them were Democrats."

Mabs2 · « **Reply #11 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:19:23 PM »

When I read in another thread that Fox was planning on running another show in its place "just for a little while."
I thought, "yea, it's canceled."
Never watched it.

roo_ster · « **Reply #12 on:** November 12, 2009, 03:30:24 PM »

Quote from: Silver Bullet on November 11, 2009, 10:27:47 PM

Maybe the best show since Firefly, IMHO.

Great dialog, interesting concept, and it was gradually coming to terms with the moral dilemmas the show presented.

Gotta love a show that has lines like these:

Echo's "handler", handing her a pistol:
"Do you know how to use that ?"

Echo:
"I had four brothers, and none of them were Democrats."

See, this is where I disagree.

I can think of some shows since Firefly better than DH.
Bones
BSG Season 1 & 1st half of season 2
I bet there are more...

Also, most of the dialog blew chunks relative to the dialog of previous JW efforts.

The primary character was a doll and had no real continuity. It was like the supporting cast was constant, but the star was different every week and therefore shallow and unsympathetic, though she was supposed to be the most sympathetic character in the story.

Yeah, DH is better than 90% of the crap out there, but that isn't saying much.

tyme · « **Reply #13 on:** November 12, 2009, 04:25:18 PM »

There are a lot of good TV shows, past and present. I came up with a list of 21 shows spanning 3 decades that I think are better than Dollhouse so far. Of them, only Mad Men and Damages are ongoing. So yeah, although I'm sad about the demise of Dollhouse, I agree with jfruser.

Profit (1996) was even darker and more morally compromised than Dollhouse. It also has the distinction of being one of Fox's earliest, and quickest, abortions. I highly recommend it. :)

Silver Bullet · « **Reply #14 on:** November 12, 2009, 10:44:03 PM »

Other really good shows since Firefly include Deadwood and Rome. I like The Unit a lot, also.

Also, BSG, but I love the qualification that jfruser used:

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BSG Season 1 & 1st half of season 2

I agree. Somewhere in Season 2 or 3 BSG started to tank.

Iain · « **Reply #15 on:** November 13, 2009, 07:11:12 AM »

Quote from: tyme on November 12, 2009, 04:25:18 PM

There are a lot of good TV shows, past and present. I came up with a list of 21 shows spanning 3 decades that I think are better than Dollhouse so far. Of them, only Mad Men and Damages are ongoing.

No House, Dexter, True Blood?

Odd, seems that after all liking a TV program is quite a subjective thing.

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Dexter doesn't really have any sympathetic characters and yet is well into its third season and going great guns. Sometimes you have to watch more than a few episodes to get the character development, I could be wrong but a huge part of Season 2 of Dollhouse has been Echo 'compositing', you'd probably have to watch it to get that.

roo_ster · « **Reply #16 on:** November 13, 2009, 04:52:02 PM »

Here's a collection of what the author thinks is the best TV of the 00's.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-best-tv-series-of-the-00s,35256/1/

MechAg94 · « **Reply #17 on:** November 13, 2009, 05:18:37 PM »

Quote from: jfruser on November 13, 2009, 04:52:02 PM

Here's a collection of what the author thinks is the best TV of the 00's.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-best-tv-series-of-the-00s,35256/1/

Should I feel good about myself if I have never watched any of the top ten?

BlueStarLizzard · « **Reply #18 on:** November 13, 2009, 06:43:17 PM »

Quote from: jfruser on November 12, 2009, 03:30:24 PM

See, this is where I disagree.

I can think of some shows since Firefly better than DH.
Bones
BSG Season 1 & 1st half of season 2
I bet there are more...

Also, most of the dialog blew chunks relative to the dialog of previous JW efforts.

The primary character was a doll and had no real continuity. It was like the supporting cast was constant, but the star was different every week and therefore shallow and unsympathetic, though she was supposed to be the most sympathetic character in the story.

Yeah, DH is better than 90% of the crap out there, but that isn't saying much.

i think whedon took a diffrent direction in dollhouse in one area and its why you say it tanks.the starting of firefly he made the cast so interesting and took time to establish them and didn't really do as much that would translate to a weekly show. and he got in some trouble with FOX becuase of it.

so in dollhouse he focused on what the show was week to week at the begining, which emphisised the nature of dolls (which, yes, are not great characters in of themselves) obviously you didn't stick around long enought to see that Echo is slowly begining to have an independent personality. in fact i think it was done deliberatly that at the begining she was just a doll, so those that watch the show could see how she develops (and infer how Alpha developed). of course, its gonna get axed before we really get to see what she is.

Mabs2 · « **Reply #19 on:** November 13, 2009, 08:39:58 PM »

The guy should just make internet TV shows.
I'm sure we'd all pay to see them.

tyme · « **Reply #20 on:** November 13, 2009, 09:56:09 PM »

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No House, Dexter, True Blood?

House I liked through season 3. The new team and House's recent antics just don't live up to the old standards, imo. Dexter, sadly, I have not watched. True blood, however... definitely not on the list.

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Should I feel good about myself if I have never watched any of the top ten?

It's not bad, but it's not good either. The Wire, Sopranos, Arrested Devel, and Mad Men are quality tv. I just finished watching The Wire, actually, after having nabbed a copy from amazon last winter at a steep discount. I really liked it. That's the only dvd set I've bought sight-unseen, and I don't regret it. Mad Men is good but requires a taste for retro-style tv.

Meanwhile, from the 90's, Murder One is what the Law&Order series should be.

roo_ster · « **Reply #21 on:** November 13, 2009, 10:09:40 PM »

Quote from: bluestarlizzard on November 13, 2009, 06:43:17 PM

obviously you didn't stick around long enought to see that Echo is slowly begining to have an independent personality.

Actually, I am current up to the 4th or 5th show of the 2nd season.

Too little, too late, too lame.

I liked JW's other work (in order of awesomeness):
Firefly (Damn you Fox!)
BVS
Angel

DH is just not in the same league.

FTR, I thought Terminator: SCC was a much better show than DH. (Damn you, Fox!)

Quote from: Mabs on November 13, 2009, 08:39:58 PM

The guy should just make internet TV shows.
I'm sure we'd all pay to see them.

I have seen every episode of DH on hulu, so that might work.

Quote from: tyme on November 13, 2009, 09:56:09 PM

House I liked through season 3. The new team and House's recent antics just don't live up to the old standards, imo. Dexter, sadly, I have not watched. True blood, however... definitely not on the list.

It's not bad, but it's not good either. The Wire, Sopranos, Arrested Devel, and Mad Men are quality tv. I just finished watching The Wire, actually, after having nabbed a copy from amazon last winter at a steep discount. I really liked it. That's the only dvd set I've bought sight-unseen, and I don't regret it. Mad Mad is good but requires a taste for retro-style tv.

Meanwhile, from the 90's, Murder One is what the Law&Order series should be.

Yep, House has jumped the shark.

I saw a couple of episodes of Dexter while on travel for work and it was very well done. It also is one of those shows that, if you are not a moral cripple, you really need to take a shower afterwards to get the moral slime off. I got a similar vibe off DH, but DH never was as well-done and doesn't have the impact.

Hmm, I might have to buy/borrow The Wire, as yous is yet another in an unbroken string of good reviews for it.

Castle is pretty good for light fare.

I have heard good things about Breaking Bad.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #22 on:** November 13, 2009, 10:15:38 PM »

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The new team and House's recent antics just don't live up to the old standards, imo.

The new team? What new team?

Had you not been... watching the show?

tyme · « **Reply #23 on:** November 14, 2009, 10:00:13 AM »

You're talking about the new old team that isn't really a team because House doesn't have a team again quite yet?

Iain · « **Reply #24 on:** November 14, 2009, 10:27:09 AM »

True Blood is decent. House has not jumped the shark. I prefer Marmite to Vegemite. Rugby is better than American Football.

Can this conversation get more subjective? People like different shows, I think the cancellation of Dollhouse is a shame, others don't. We can't even fall back on viewer figures - Strictly American Popstar Superstar on Ice Dancing anyone?

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Author Topic: RIP Dollhouse (Read 12263 times)