Another reason Republicans will lose

[Paddy]

and more evidence they're devoid of substance, ideas, and integrity.  I hope this gets lots of press.  Americans don't like cheaters and sleazy tactics.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23462282#23457316

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

yawn

is that the best you got?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23462282#23455693

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/23462282#23450394

[Manedwolf]

Citing the hard-left MSNBC, of course, the network with Olbermann as its poster boy. 

How about Obama lying about his people talking to Canadian officials about not taking seriously his tough talk on NAFTA? There's some truly worrying lies.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Hrrmph.

Democrats had been crossing party lines to vote in Repub primaries all season.  Yet now that the shoe is on the other foot it's some sort of major scandal?  Gimme a break.

[Paddy]

I guess those links are somehow 'profound' to you??  That there's Dem infighting in the primaries?? Rather naive, dontcha think?

What you two have (unwittingly) done is to demonstrate the point- that Republicans have nothing going for them.  Their entire worldview amounts to no more than being against everything.  You name it and Republicans are against it; from Democrats to Ron Paul to CFLs to fuel efficient vehicles to MSNBC etc., et yada.  HELL, Republicans are even against their own presidential nominee. 

Freakin' hilarious. 

[Paddy]

Hrrmph.

Democrats had been crossing party lines to vote in Repub primaries all season.  Yet now that the shoe is on the other foot it's some sort of major scandal?  Gimme a break.

You just did the same thing.  Are you condemning the practice, yet supporting it if Republicans do it?   What's yer point?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

theres humour there that probably escapes you.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Must be something wrong with the new server.  You're making even less sense than usual.

A few weeks ago you were ranting and raving about how "undemocratic" and "unfair" closed primaries are.  Now you're ranting and raving about how undemocratic open primaries are. 

"Closed primaries are a Republican scandal!  Open primaries are a Republican scandal!"

It's clear that you are only interested in grinding your anti-Republican Party ax.

Are you truly no smarter than this?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

now thats a loaded question

[Paddy]

You both really need to do better than simply hurl personal insults at me. Maybe if you really think about it, you can come up with some coherent argument for making your point(s), whatever they are.

Two prominent Republicans (not you two  , I'm referring to Limbaugh and Larson) publically promoting what most Americans would consider unethical, unfair, unAmerican, are endemic of what has become of the GOP.  I'm frankly embarrassed that the party has been hijacked by the likes of Limbaugh, Larson, Bush and others.  Embarrassed because I've been a Republican (and voted accordingly) since 1968, (no doubt longer than either of you), until I re-registered as having no party affiliation several months ago. 

Republicans used to have integrity; from Lincoln to Grant to Hayes, Garfield, Arthur, Roosevelt (especially Roosevelt), on up to Eisenhower, Republicans for the most part have a long history of ethical values and practices.  Sure there have been exceptions (Harrison, Taft, Harding, Coolidge) but their transgressions were minor compared to Nixon, Reagan and Bush.

Now, if you two think the public promotion of this kind of sleazy activity is in the Republicans best interests,  well, you're cut from the same cloth, aren't you? 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you didn't really try to peddle lincolns integrity to a gut who lived in md did ya?  thats the funniest yet

[Paddy]

Oh, yeah, I forgot.  Lincoln is somebody else you're against.  You keep making my point.  Just what it it you're for?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

what is all this for and against stuff?  lincoln was what he was and the word integrity isn't in the top 0 words that come up. you kinda get a lil emotionally wrapped up with these guys don't you. i grew up in dc and worked on the hill and they are for the most part all the same.i worked hotels and we used to say if it was an all white crowd it was arepublican gig, if there were some tokens that everyone sucked up to it was a dem function.

[MechAg94]

IMO, it is only unethical and dishonest if you try to vote in both primaries.  That would be illegal also.  Texas is open.  You can vote in either one you want, but only one.  That pretty much means people can do what they want.  I doubt most people will do it simply because then they can't vote on the local candidates in their party.

Since the Dems also do the caucus thing in Texas, the vote only matters a certain percentage.

Either way, Obamamania is fleeting and probably won't last.

[Manedwolf]

An article in Shotgun News made an interesting point.

Hillary is so divisive that she wouldn't dare bring up gun control, most likely. It'd make all the Republicans rally and kill the Dems in Congress.

Obama, on the other hand, clueless n00b that he is, would go right on ahead with the socialist agenda, and probably start off with a press conference with Jesse Jackson, pushing for an AWB renewal, or cutting off federal funding if states don't comply with a national ban on concealed carry, whatever he thinks he can push.

[The Rabbi]

Must be something wrong with the new server.  You're making even less sense than usual.

A few weeks ago you were ranting and raving about how "undemocratic" and "unfair" closed primaries are.  Now you're ranting and raving about how undemocratic open primaries are. 

"Closed primaries are a Republican scandal!  Open primaries are a Republican scandal!"

It's clear that you are only interested in grinding your anti-Republican Party ax.

Are you truly no smarter than this?

"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."  -Hegel

[Paddy]

"He is winding up the watch of his wit.  By and by it will strike" - Wm Shakespeare

Except here at APS where the winding continues ad nauseum, and the strike never occurs. 

[gunsmith]

MSNBC? lol!!!

They are worse then wiki and worldnet combined...hahahaaaa

[Bigjake]

I just meddled with the dems in Ohio's open primary 

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

The point is staring you right in he eyes, Riley, but apparently you don't notice.

Back in that other thread, you claimed it was unfair that the California Republican party didn't allow people like yourself, who are neither members of nor supporters of the Republican Party, to vote in their primary.  Well, now some Republicans are doing exactly what you said everyone should have the right to do, vote in a Party primary without being a member of the Party, and you're criticizing them.

The point is you don't care about election rules or voter behaviors.  You only care about bashing the Republican Party at every opportunity.  This point is illustrative of your political views generally.  You'll swing whichever way you want at any given moment, as long as you're on the side that gets to hate the Republicans. 

Do you not see the hypocrisy in accusing Republicans of always being against things?  Do you not see that you're the one who is consistently against something (namely the Republican Party and/or Prez Bush) and never actually for anything?  Do you not see that you're the one who almost never has anything positive to say, and only ever criticizes others?

Your belief that the Republican Party isn't for anything is just plain stupid.  They're for strong national defense, for capitalism, and for individual choice, to name just a few examples.  Naturally, supporting some things means opposing their antitheses.  Being for strong national defense implies being against things like withdrawing from Iraq, being for capitalism implies being against economic protectionism and socialism.  So in that sense it is possible to selectively ignore everything the Republican Party stands for and criticize them for always being against alternatives to what they support.  But that requires intellectual dishonesty; you must deliberately ignore half of the equation to arrive at your chosen result.

You, Riley, don't seem to support anything.  Your positions drift in the wind.  You're always against things, but apparently not because you support any alternative.  You're just against things, specifically Republican things, simply for the sake of being against them. 

Quote Shakespeare some more, dodge the issue.  It's cute.

[Finch]

They're for strong national defense, for capitalism, and for individual choice

And yet they do so much to sabotage those very things.

[Paddy]

You can attack me until hell freezes over, HTG, and it won't strengthen the Republican party nor will it further the principles (you say) it stands for one iota.  Not one jot.

I voted for Nixon-twice.  I voted for Reagan-twice.  I voted for Bush (Jr., not Sr.) -twice.  I've actively worked for Republicans nationally and locally.  I've paid my dues and my criticism is coming from a fully vested view in seeing the Republican party succeed.  Unfortunately, my party has been hijacked by outsiders; parasites jumping aboard for the ride.  The sellout started with Reagan and his capitulation to both the religious right and the corporations.  Then he raised taxes on wage earners to the tune of trillions of $$ over the years, all but destroying the middle class of this country.  Reagan presided over the expansion of the federal government (and debt) to historic levels.  His administration was one of the most corrupt in modern history as evidenced by dozens of felony convictions.

I could go on and on about the foibles, felonies and frauds of the two Bushes, but frankly, I'm sick of the entire party and the scum who now direct it.

So, defend the corruption, the deceit and the ineptitude, HTG.  The fact remains the GOP is headed into irrelevance for awhile.

Deal with it.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

"His administration was one of the most corrupt in modern history as evidenced by dozens of felony convictions"

really?  could you elaborate?

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

You can attack me until hell freezes over, HTG, and it won't strengthen the Republican party nor will it further the principles (you say) it stands for one iota.  Not one jot.

I voted for Nixon-twice.  I voted for Reagan-twice.  I voted for Bush (Jr., not Sr.) -twice.  I've actively worked for Republicans nationally and locally.  I've paid my dues and my criticism is coming from a fully vested view in seeing the Republican party succeed.  Unfortunately, my party has been hijacked by outsiders; parasites jumping aboard for the ride.  The sellout started with Reagan and his capitulation to both the religious right and the corporations.  Then he raised taxes on wage earners to the tune of trillions of $$ over the years, all but destroying the middle class of this country.  Reagan presided over the expansion of the federal government (and debt) to historic levels.  His administration was one of the most corrupt in modern history as evidenced by dozens of felony convictions.

I could go on and on about the foibles, felonies and frauds of the two Bushes, but frankly, I'm sick of the entire party and the scum who now direct it.

So, defend the corruption, the deceit and the ineptitude, HTG.  The fact remains the GOP is headed into irrelevance for awhile.

Deal with it.

I'm not sure what any of this has to do with the original post (or with reality, for that matter), but it does serve to illustrate my point further.  The only overriding theme to your political beliefs is a raging hatred for the Republican Party.  That's fine, you're free to hate whomever you like.  But do realize, before trying to start political discussions, that your blind rage doesn't lend itself to rational discussions.

By the way, if this is what it means to support corruption, deceit, and ineptitude, then I'm happy to do it.