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Hmm, this one certainly makes one pause and think!!
I'm not a big McCain fan.. but with Condi Rice as VP,
I might have to rethink my vote in November..
(Among other things, she's very pro-2A!! Interesting..)
More background: http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/dan-senor-condo.html
Thoughts?
Night,
Steve
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Ugh, no. I consider her to be someone who failed upwards.
All the opponent has to do is play her soundbite that "We never could have anticipated 9/11" at a time when it was in fact her job to do so, and such things had been part of scenarios and even popular fiction for years.
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But she's black AND a woman. WE CAN'T LOSE!
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she has way too much baggage as a part of the Bush administration to be a viable candidate for any elected position at the national level
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she has way too much baggage as a part of the Bush administration to be a viable candidate for any elected position at the national level
Which means she'll probably be the one picked for McCain's running mate....
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I also heard this on some radio show this evening. Who is putting this out there?
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Not a deal breaker either way with me, since McCain is going to be the lesser of two evils, but in the long run I think she actually could hurt McCain.
Too much baggage from Bush and in my opinion she isn't Presidential material. Gotta remember that the VP is only one heart beat or one bullet away from being President.
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McCain will lose.....
McCain/Rice will lose even faster....
Best bet for VP would be either Kay Bailey Hutchison (TX) or Sara Palin (AK)....female, conservative, and popular with the GOP base.
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Who is putting this out there?
Oh.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/04/dan-senor-condo.html
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Considering Rice has repeatedly and vehemently said she has no interest in running for POTUS or V/POTUS, this is likely just some reporter's attempt at conjuring a blockbuster story to sit under her byline.
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McCain will lose.....
McCain/Rice will lose even faster....
Exactly right because nobody wants a Bush third term. 80% of the country thinks we're going in the wrong direction.
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McCain will lose.....
McCain/Rice will lose even faster....
Exactly right because nobody wants a Bush third term. 80% of the country thinks we're going in the wrong direction.
You misinterpret that, or are falling for the liberal media's misinterpretation of that.
That can ALSO mean that people feel we're going away from morality, all sorts of things. It is in no way an endorsement of Hilbama's liberal agenda.
People are not saying "Yeah! We need weak defense and higher taxes!".
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SHe was OK as NSC poo-bah. She has been a disaster at State, having been co-opted by Dep State culture.
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McCain will lose.....
McCain/Rice will lose even faster....
Exactly right because nobody wants a Bush third term. 80% of the country thinks we're going in the wrong direction.
80% of what sampling in what district? And define "wrong direction"! 100% of Muslim Extrimists polled think this country is going in the wrong direction.
Polls and statistics are the tools of liars. You're smart enough not to be a puppet for the liberal media.
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The dollar's at an all time low. Gas is at an all time high. The American people have had enough of the Iraq occupation. Bush's approval ratings continue to drop. http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm
Unemployment is up. Everything that should be up is down. Everything that should be down is up.
Yeah, that's the wrong direction.
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The dollar's at an all time low. Gas is at an all time high. The American people have had enough of the Iraq occupation. Bush's approval ratings continue to drop.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htmUnemployment is up. Everything that should be up is down. Everything that should be down is up.
Yeah, that's the wrong direction.
While your points are all correct, if you're referring to the same poll I heard on the News.....it said none of those things. It only said 80% of Americans think we're heading in the wrong direction.
Again, I'd think that taking a poll that doesn't define which direction is the wrong direction, and using it to back up your own position, is the wrong direction for you......
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The dollar's at an all time low. Gas is at an all time high. The American people have had enough of the Iraq occupation. Bush's approval ratings continue to drop.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htmUnemployment is up. Everything that should be up is down. Everything that should be down is up.
Yeah, that's the wrong direction.
Most indicators (dollar value, gold price, gas prices, unemployment, etc.) headed south after the 2006 elections . . . when Democrats took both houses of Congress.
Obviously, it's all Bush's fault.
Seriously, the biggest, most major mistake the GOP has done on domestic issues is spend money like drunken sailors in a bordello after two years at sea; for this they were spanked in 2006. (To paraphrase Alan Greenspan, they deserved to lose.)
They haven't learned their lessons, and are still behaving like "Democrat Party Lite" . . . hence their nickname, The Stupid Party.
Personally, even with a few stains on his reputation, I wouldn't mind seeing Newt Gingrich as VP . . . the GOP could do a lot worse . . . and probably will.
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I'm of the belief that neither party is taking the country in the right direction.
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While your points are all correct, if you're referring to the same poll I heard on the News.....it said none of those things. It only said 80% of Americans think we're heading in the wrong direction.
Again, I'd think that taking a poll that doesn't define which direction is the wrong direction, and using it to back up your own position, is the wrong direction for you......
Well, JJ, since I'm with the 80%, and we're the Deciders, it's you 20 percenters who are going in the wrong direction.
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While your points are all correct, if you're referring to the same poll I heard on the News.....it said none of those things. It only said 80% of Americans think we're heading in the wrong direction.
Again, I'd think that taking a poll that doesn't define which direction is the wrong direction, and using it to back up your own position, is the wrong direction for you......
Well, JJ, since I'm with the 80%, and we're the Deciders, it's you 20 percenters who are going in the wrong direction.
So, they polled the entire nation, right? Every swinging dick and jane got a phone call from this polling agency?
You're taking a page from Feinstien/Kennedy/Obama/Clinton, et al when you cite a vague poll from a limited sampling and use it to support your position.
But I'm sure Obama will deliver us from all that is evil. Or Comrade Hillary.
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You can sputter and fume and blame all you want JJ. But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of voters are unhappy with the Bush administration and welcome its end. They're also damned unhappy with Congress, BOTH Republicans and Democrats. That means that change is likely ie., get rid of a Republican president and elect a Democrat. We've got three, soon to be two, crappy candidates. However, many people see a McCain presidency as a third Bush term, and nobody wants that. You can bet the Dem candidate will make that crystal clear as McCain huffs and puffs in a frantic attempt to distance himself from Bush.
Now if you want to (try to) defend the Bush presidency, go ahead. But don't make believe the American people are actually happy with him and anything to the contrary is just a liberal plot.
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Paddy, you mentioned Bush four times in that statement.
BLARG HATE BUSH HATE BUSH *foam*
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Manedwolf, maybe I should keep count of your references, also.
BLARG HATE LIBERALS HATE SOCIALISTS HATE STATISTS HATE CALIFORNIANS HATE HILLARY HATE OBAMA HATE *foam*
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You can sputter and fume and blame all you want JJ. But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of voters are unhappy with the Bush administration and welcome its end. They're also damned unhappy with Congress, BOTH Republicans and Democrats. That means that change is likely ie., get rid of a Republican president and elect a Democrat. We've got three, soon to be two, crappy candidates. However, many people see a McCain presidency as a third Bush term, and nobody wants that. You can bet the Dem candidate will make that crystal clear as McCain huffs and puffs in a frantic attempt to distance himself from Bush.
Now if you want to (try to) defend the Bush presidency, go ahead. But don't make believe the American people are actually happy with him and anything to the contrary is just a liberal plot.
Apples and oranges. I never once disagreed with your views on any of the idiots with an (R) or (D) after thier name. However, I wholly disagree with how you're using an ambiguous poll of a limited sampling group to back up your views, and moreso, that you're using the same flawed poll to insist that 80% of people in this country agree with you. Define the wrong direction? The damn poll doesn't define it, so it could mean any number of things. Maybe they sampled the members of the Westboro Baptist Church for all you know.
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It's not 80%, his disapproval rating is only about 60%.
PRESIDENT BUSH Overall Job Rating in national polls
See also: Complete trend
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CBS/New York Times 3/28 - 4/2/08 28 64 8 -36
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Diageo/Hotline RV 3/28-31/08 35 62 2 -27
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Pew 3/19-22/08 28 63 9 -35
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FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 3/18-19/08 30 60 10 -30
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CBS 3/15-18/08 29 64 7 -35
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CNN/Opinion Research 3/14-16/08 31 67 1 -36
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USA Today/Gallup 3/14-16/08 32 64 4 -32
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NBC/Wall Street Journal RV
3/7-10/08 32 63 5 -31
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Gallup 3/6-9/08 32 64 4 -32
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Newsweek 3/5-6/08 30 61 9 -31
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AP-Ipsos 3/3-5/08 30 66 * -36
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ABC/Washington Post 2/28 - 3/2/08 32 66 2 -34
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L.A. Times/Bloomberg 2/21-25/08 34 62 4 -28
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USA Today/Gallup 2/21-24/08 32 62 5 -30
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CBS/New York Times 2/20-24/08 30 64 6 -34
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Pew 2/20-24/08 33 59 8 -26
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FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 2/19-20/08 32 59 9 -27
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Diageo/Hotline RV 2/14-17/08 39 57 4 -18
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Gallup 2/11-14/08 31 65 4 -34
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USA Today/Gallup 2/8-10/08 33 61 5 -28
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Newsweek 2/6-7/08 30 60 10 -30
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AP-Ipsos 2/4-6/08 30 66 * -36
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CNN/Opinion Research 2/1-3/08 32 67 1 -35
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CBS 1/30 - 2/2/08 27 65 8 -38
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Pew 1/30 - 2/2/08 31 62 7 -31
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USA Today/Gallup 1/30 - 2/2/08 34 61 5 -27
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ABC/Washington Post 1/30 - 2/1/08 33 65 2 -32
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FOX/Opinion Dynamics RV 1/30-31/08 33 60 7 -27
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NPR LV 1/29-31/08 38 56 6 -18
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NBC/Wall Street Journal
1/20-22/08 31 63 6 -32
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L.A. Times/Bloomberg RV 1/18-22/08 34 62 4 -28
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CNN/Opinion Research 1/14-17/08 34 63 2 -29
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USA Today/Gallup 1/10-13/08 34 60 6 -26
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Pew 1/9-13/08 31 59 10 -28
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Diageo/Hotline RV 1/10-12/08 36 61 3 -25
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ABC/Washington Post 1/9-12/08 32 66 2 -34
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CBS/New York Times 1/9-12/08 29 62 9 -33
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CNN/Opinion Research 1/9-10/08 32 66 2 -34
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AP-Ipsos 1/7-9/08 34 63 * -29
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Gallup 1/4-6/08 32 64 4 -32
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http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
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The dollar's at an all time low. Gas is at an all time high. The American people have had enough of the Iraq occupation. Bush's approval ratings continue to drop.
http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htmUnemployment is up. Everything that should be up is down. Everything that should be down is up.
Yeah, that's the wrong direction.
Most of what you describe is a direct result of oil prices. They rise the price of everything goes up. Businesses struggle to move goods at the higher costs for transport, energy, materials etc and people get laid off.
Why are oil prices up? Well there's increased demand by emerging economies like India and China to be sure but a sizable factor is the Dems and their eco allies refusal to allow off shore drilling, the opening up of fields like Anwar and silly restrictions that make it almost impossible to build new refineries and nuclear power plants.
With the exception of the Iraq war everything you've mentioned above that's wrong with the US today is the fault of the Democrats.
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What would rice bring to the ticket?
Seriously:
Being black? Hardly. She's a conservative black and that won't set particularly well with the perceived black demographic.
Being a woman? Maybe? My gut says no.
Pro 2nd Amendment - plus with us but with mainstream America?
She's never held an elected office.
She's a college professor and your every day average 100 IQ type out there doesn't have a lot of use for eggheads.
At best she's performed no better than average as the Sec of State and IMO far worse than many. The best that can be said about her and I am not even sure about this is that she hasn't made us any more enemies. Has she made us any more friends? Done a good job mediating between countries where it is in our interest to do so? What exactly has she done at state that would be a plus for her as Veep?
In short she won't bring anything to the ticket and may hurt it.
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I never once disagreed with your views on any of the idiots with an (R) or (D) after thier name. However, I wholly disagree with how you're using an ambiguous poll of a limited sampling group to back up your views, and moreso, that you're using the same flawed poll to insist that 80% of people in this country agree with you.
You don't disagree with my views, but you disagree with the flawed data I use to back them up my views, which you agree with? Then what is the basis for your agreement with my views? WTF??? Talk about circular...............
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Both parties are taking us in the wrong direction....the difference is how much throttle each party is applying.....
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It wasn't a Bush job approval poll, but some ambiguous "do you think the country is heading in the wrong direction" piece of crap.
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I never once disagreed with your views on any of the idiots with an (R) or (D) after thier name. However, I wholly disagree with how you're using an ambiguous poll of a limited sampling group to back up your views, and moreso, that you're using the same flawed poll to insist that 80% of people in this country agree with you.
You don't disagree with my views, but you disagree with the flawed data I use to back them up my views, which you agree with? Then what is the basis for your agreement with my views? WTF??? Talk about circular...............
I never agreed with it, either. My point is simply that you're citing this poll that has a wide, ambiguous statement, to back up your view of what the "wrong direction" is. Thats all.
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It wasn't a Bush job approval poll, but some ambiguous "do you think the country is heading in the wrong direction" piece of crap.
Plus if you really want to put the blame on the government put it on Congress. It has an approval rating lower than the President's. And who is it again in control of Congress........That is right it is the Democrats.
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Whyizzit that any criticism of Bush and Republicans is never defended, but met with 'but the Democrats are worse.........' yada yackety quack. The Democrats have never pretended to be the party of smaller, less intrusive, low spending government. That claim always comes from Republicans. A look at their record makes them the hypocrites and makes a mockery of those who have supported them.
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And that is what is totally amazing Paddy. The Democrats will flat out tell you that they know how to spend your money better than you do and people still vote for them and then bitch they have no money.
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If you mean me, you're wrong. I've never (yet) voted for a Democrat.
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If you mean me, you're wrong. I've never (yet) voted for a Democrat.
Patiently waiting for the day the Whigs rise again? Me too.
Our day shall come, oh yes, our day shall come...
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"With the exception of the Iraq war everything you've mentioned above that's wrong with the US today is the fault of the Democrats."
Uhh, actually they are to blame for that too. If the liberal wing of the D's hadn't been totally obstructionist in getting America on a path to energy independence starting in the mid 70's, 911 and much of what occurred prior to that ascribed to Wahbbist Islam would never have happened.
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Whyizzit that any criticism of Bush and Republicans is never defended, but met with 'but the Democrats are worse.........' yada yackety quack. The Democrats have never pretended to be the party of smaller, less intrusive, low spending government. That claim always comes from Republicans. A look at their record makes them the hypocrites and makes a mockery of those who have supported them.
Your first bit is obvious baloney. Bush and the GOP are criticized for anything you could possibly imagine a few thousand things you're not looney enough to conceive of. Eg: Blowing up the Towers, creating AIDS, starting a senseless war in Iraq, stealing the Florida 2000 election, and on and on it goes. You'd have to be blind and deaf not to hear Repubs refuting these things right and left. Well, OK, mainly right. but anyway...
Are there a few dozen issues where "the Democrats are worse" is the only real response? Of course. We say that a lot, too.
And as for mockery, well, when a laughingstock laughs at others, it doesn't mean much.
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My prediction , for what it is worth, is that McCain will win regardless of whom he chooses as a running mate for the following reasons: (1)McCain is a war hero (2) consider the competition (3) the republicans have a far superior political strategy. Hey, they got Bush elected did they not? Blacks are overwhelmingly democratic, but if Hillary gets nominated I would predict that a significant number of blacks will vote republican if Rice were to be selected as a running mate or any other black. Sound crazy? Consider the black reaction to the O.J. trial.
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"With the exception of the Iraq war everything you've mentioned above that's wrong with the US today is the fault of the Democrats."
Uhh, actually they are to blame for that too. If the liberal wing of the D's hadn't been totally obstructionist in getting America on a path to energy independence starting in the mid 70's, 911 and much of what occurred prior to that ascribed to Wahbbist Islam would never have happened.
Lets not forget who holds the purse strings: Congress. If they wanted the war stopped tomorrow, it would be stopped tomorrow. But they don't.
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I like Condi a whole lot more then McCain and will become
enthusiastic about voting for that ticket, right now I may not even vote because things are so FUBAR.
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Sound crazy? Consider the black reaction to the O.J. trial.
Yes, it does sound crazy. By your reasoning, Black voters should have come out of the woodwork when Alan Keyes ran for the (R) nomination a few years back (against Dole, or maybe Bush II's first run, can't remember). Again when Sharpton ran for the (D) nomination not too long ago. But they didn't. They won't vote for McCain/Rice. They will support the (D) ticket regardless of who wins.
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I like Condi a whole lot more then McCain...
As veep she could conceivably become president. McCain is 71 and the presidency is a job that is extremely stressful.
Heck - almost anybody can can serve successfully as the veep but what makes Ms Rice qualified to be the President of the United States of America?
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By the time this is over, McCain will be seen as a doddering old fool with a short fuse. He's unpredictable and unreliable. He's actually worse than Bush. He's a fool if he thinks he can sustain a continuing U.S. occupation in Iraq at current levels. Obama promises to withdraw from Iraq ASAP. That alone will win him the Whitehouse.
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a doddering old fool with a short fuse. He's unpredictable and unreliable. He's actually worse than Bush. He's a fool...
Must resist urge to point out the obvious.
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Must resist urge to point out the obvious.
That the Republican party is circling the drain?
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No, just that we know someone around here who fits your McCain caricature very well. Certainly better than McCain does.
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Obama promises to withdraw from Iraq ASAP. That alone will win him the Whitehouse.
And doom hundreds of thousands of Iraqis depending on us in the process. And show the rest of the world the US is the paper tiger they think we are. And make a mockery of the office of the President.
But you're fine with all that as long as Obama promises to rob rich people and hand out socialized goodies.
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Obama promises to withdraw from Iraq ASAP. That alone will win him the Whitehouse.
And doom hundreds of thousands of Iraqis depending on us in the process. And show the rest of the world the US
is the paper tiger they think we are. And make a mockery of the office of the President.
But you're fine with all that as long as Obama promises to rob rich people and hand out socialized goodies.
Best thing I've read in this whole thread.
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And doom hundreds of thousands of Iraqis depending on us in the process. And show the rest of the world the US is the paper tiger they think we are.
Nobody (except Hannity's audience) is buying this phony 'patriotic' fearmongering any longer. It worked for awhile, but now the majority of the country is sick of it. Give it up.
And make a mockery of the office of the President.
That's already be thoroughly accomplished by this administration. It may take a long time to restore faith in and respect for that office.
But you're fine with all that as long as Obama promises to rob rich people and hand out socialized goodies.
I'm not an Obama supporter. I won't be voting for him and doubt he has what it takes to end corporate ownership of our government and restore the middle class, like the two Roosevelts did. If all he's gonna do is raise a few taxes on the wealthy, that won't get the job done. Besides, POTUS doesn't make tax aws. Congress will have to do that.
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Paddy, a whole lot of people might not like the way the war is going, but that doesn't mean they want to pull out. You have your blinders on with regard to that issue.
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An opinion of "strategic errors were made" does not equate to "raise the white flag and flee with tails between legs", no.
I think some of Rummy's decisions made after the invasion were beyond asinine. But we NEED to finish up there, or it'll become just like Afghanistan.
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And make a mockery of the office of the President.
That's already be thoroughly accomplished by this the Clinton administration. It may take a long time to restore faith in and respect for that office.
Fixed that for you. No need to thank me.
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Paddy, a whole lot of people might not like the way the war is going, but that doesn't mean they want to pull out.
Doesn't matter what the minority 'want'. The reality is that the war occupation is unsustainable. We don't have the resources, militarily or financially to maintain it indefinitely, like McCain (Bush III) wants.
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Are we still talking about Condi?
I really like her
We don't have the resources, militarily or financially to maintain it indefinitely, like McCain (Bush III) wants.
I bet if we pulled out of the Dem's war in Japan and Germany (the Dems never had an exit strategy for those places) we would have plenty of resources.
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Are we still talking about Condi?
I really like her
We don't have the resources, militarily or financially to maintain it indefinitely, like McCain (Bush III) wants.
I bet if we pulled out of the Dem's war in Japan and Germany (the Dems never had an exit strategy for those places) we would have plenty of resources.
If the dog hadn't stopped to pee, he'd have caught the rabbit. If GWB had competent military advice early on, we'd be done with this by now.