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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Waitone on August 21, 2014, 07:43:30 PM
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What with all the flapping around about militarization of local law enforcement (hardly a new topic on this forum) I was interested in a database release by the federales giving some idea of who is buying what conveniently indexed by state and county.
Article front page http://www.shtfplan.com/headline-news/database-shows-what-military-equipment-your-local-police-department-has-been-stockpiling_08192014
Search the database http://www.shtfplan.com/militarization-by-county-via-the-law-enforcement-support-office?appSession=484118466975748&cbSearchAgain=true&AppKey=36701000b255adcfe6ca4b13a8a4
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Some pistols and rifles from 2006.
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My county has gotten two MRAPS, one helo, an armored truck, 31 sets of NVGs, IR LTDs, and 9 pages of other stuff.
Because what LEO doesn't need to drop PGMs on target?
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The county we are considering moving to has gotten 10 rifles since 2006.
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Rifles, safety glasses and what sounds like an APC. If you saw the roads around here a tracked vehicle makes sense!
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My county bought a couple dozen rifles,almost a hundred sights,a truck,and long johns.
My folks county bought gardening equipment,tractors,musical instruments,and more gun sights.And long johns.It IS Michigan after all.
I'm surprised by the quantities for some things.ex.Cold weather boots,only a dozen pairs,do the cops share boots at shift change? =)
I'd have thought that they'd have bought dozens-or at least enough to cover the department.
I'm too lazy to look myself but I was wondering how much stuff the fire departments also acquired.It makes at least as much sense to me for the FD to get access to surplus.
Thanks for the link.
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County I'm in got a rock climbing wall, NVGs, medical stuff, some bayonets, "ladder, tactical assault", cuppa two tree grenade launches, 886 rifles and various other and assorted miscellany. County I'm planning on moving two in the next 6 months got 95 rifles and a "truck, utility".
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County I'm in got a rock climbing wall, NVGs, medical stuff, some bayonets, "ladder, tactical assault", cuppa two tree grenade launches, 886 rifles and various other and assorted miscellany. County I'm planning on moving two in the next 6 months got 95 rifles and a "truck, utility".
WTF do they need bayonets for? ???
Mine got a bunch of rifles and sights.
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WTF do they need bayonets for? ???
Mine did too.Makes me wonder,espescially with the quantities listed,just how much of the oddball stuff didn't get re-sold,or at least diverted,to specific persons/collecters in the departments.
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WTF do they need bayonets for? ???
Those dangerous Salt Lake hippies, don't you know.
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Eighteen pages of stuff, including it looks like assault packs for every badge in the county, and around 100 flightsuits, which they need with the half dozen helos. Several "combat vehicles", a page worth of .45ACP pistols (doesn't say what kind), several pages of 5.56 rifles (doesn't say what kind), and a periscope.
Oops, read it wrong. One of the helos is apparently a fixed wing and valued at 6.5million. Or maybe not. It's listed as "aircraft, rotary", which I always read as "helicopter", but the helos are listed under "Helicopter".
AIRCRAFT, ROTARY WING 1 Each $6,500,000.00 7/6/2009
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Hmm
Anti-Personal Mine Foot Protection, real handy round here
Few Generators
Some batteries and chargers
Radios
Ten 5.56 rifles, guessing AR/M16
Four 7.62 rifles, doesn't say what exactly
Tents and doodads and tires
Tractor
7 utility trucks, doesn't say what exactly
And a...gray wheeled housekeeping cart. Wonder if it's a tacticool gray wheeled housekeeping cart
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And a...gray wheeled housekeeping cart. Wonder if it's a tacticool gray wheeled housekeeping cart
That's the Chariot of Oppression!
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That's the Chariot of Oppression!
Or an assault wheelbarrow in disguise!
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Missoula county is not too bad, 1 page of rifles and a few radios. No tanks or B-52's.
Cascade county where I grew up has a little more:
.45 pistols (assuming 1911's)
5 38 caliber revolvers
4 sets of thermal viewers
M16's I assume
And a bunch of M14's I'm assuming by the 7.62 rifles
However, there were a whole lot of rifles - like almost 3 pages worth between 5.56 and 7.62.
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Nothing but rifles for my county.
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My county got a dozen of -RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER.
That wouldn't even arm every mounted deputy.
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I'm too lazy to look myself but I was wondering how much stuff the fire departments also acquired.It makes at least as much sense to me for the FD to get access to surplus.
We've gotten a couple 6x6 trucks from NG/army, just for the shipping costs. :)
Also there was a FEMA grant for some turnout gear a few years ago. It was pretty much a waste IMO for a bunch of old guys/gals on a mostly wildland VFD. Technically the coats and pants have hung on the wall so long that they already "should be" replaced. I think that we've actually used the stuff on a couple of mutual aid structure fires.
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Three "DOOR,VEHICULAR", and one "TRUCK,UTILITY" (which I'm guessing is what the doors were for).
Anyway, I think I saw the truck once at the scene of a vehicle accident. Looked like something that would make Gecko45 drool, but didn't really seem all that useful overall. ;/
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I'm too lazy to look myself but I was wondering how much stuff the fire departments also acquired.It makes at least as much sense to me for the FD to get access to surplus.
A lot of the 1033 program stuff just isn't that useful for us firefighters, outside of some oddball stuff like thermal imaging cameras. Even if it's "free" we still have to store it and all that, and we had more than enough free crap to store.
Now my dept could definitely have used NVGs but that would have been for SAR. Plus I believe a lot of NVGs available through this program are junk, so it'd be something like acquiring a bunch of them and trying to find a useful one or three and if it's possible, have some others rebuilt (I guess TNVC could do something like that)
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My county got a bunch of computers and monitors a few pistols, a page of rifles, a MRAP, an armored truck and some kind of $50,000 utility truck.
The database is not complete. I checked the county across the highway and they don't list the Humvee I know they received and I still have the newspaper article about it around here somewhere.
jim
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they don't list the Humvee I know they received and I still have the newspaper article about it around here somewhere.
They may have sent it back after realizing what a POS it is.
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StL County got 3 pages worth. Didn't read it all yet, but I noticed a few items described as "CPU No Hard Drive." I didn't know they were building the HDD right onto the die, now. ;/
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Not bad here. A helicopter, flight trainer; a helicopter and a few 5.56 & 7.62 rifles, barely enough to arm the local PD (in a town of 1,300).
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They may have sent it back after realizing what a POS it is.
I'll look tomorrow when I have a job to do a block away from the Sheriff's office. They used to have it parked right out front all the time.
The reason I remember the newspaper article is the headline. Sheriff gets a Hummer. :rofl:
jim
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Looking at AK - boots, lots and lots of cold weather boots. More cold weather jackets and other stuff. A few cold weather type vehicles.
11 radar scattering screening systems, but those also work well as sun shades/shelters.
A popcorn machine. Not sure how tactical it is. A bit of exercise equipment and an EOD robot.
15 5.56 rifles for my county alone, lots for the state. though without the NSN I can't tell if it's M-16, M-4, or what. Probably M16s.
Nothing for me to get excited about. I'm not going to deny our officers a 'patrol rifle', especially if they can get a used but still good rifle from uncle sam for free.
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Militarized in equipment or attitude? Both concern me.
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Interesting how things got named on this list. My county is listed as getting an APC. It's a HUMVEE. I've seen it. Local vocational school painted it for them in the same design as their cruisers.
My favorites? 14 rugs and two picture frames.
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Some safes, a bunch of tools, some first aid kits, some sleeping mats, couple radios, a lot of magazines, dozen rifles, cold weather gear, 31 "sustainment pouch" (WTF?)
No APCs. Though I have seen the armored car that Lancaster police have. Their SWAT team did have a booth at some community event. Nice of them to show off their MTOE. The two officers at the booth did have a very worrisome attitude that disturbed me far more than if my county was given a dozen main battle tanks.
Qualified immunity in the wrong hands is far more dangerous than heavy mechanized battalion's worth of equipment.
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My part of KC; a bunch of 5.56 rifles, and an MRAP. =|
In the interest of maintaining a balance of power, I think this means I need to file a Form 1 for a few HEAT rockets. >:D
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Greenville County SC--
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/13/2006
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/13/2006
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/13/2006
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/13/2006
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $120.00 10/29/2010
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 11/18/2008
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 11/18/2008
SC GREENVILLE RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00
The only thing I can imagine is causing the price discrepancy is auto vs full auto but that seems like a huge gap. And I would love to know what they're purchasing in 7.62 that they only paid $138.
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My part of KC; a bunch of 5.56 rifles, and an MRAP. =|
In the interest of maintaining a balance of power, I think this means I need to file a Form 1 for a few HEAT rockets. >:D
Fighting them on the move is a sucker's game. They gotta live near you to oppress you, get 'em while they're parked. :lol:
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Here's what we got. Not as bad as I was expecting actually. Interesting that they got so many .38's, I don't know of any dept that still issues those. ???
WA SNOHOMISH BALLISTIC INSERTS 10 EA $500.00
WA SNOHOMISH DISK,TURBINE,AIRCRAFT GAS TURBINE ENGINE 3 Each $3,979.36 10/28/2009
WA SNOHOMISH HELICOPTER,OBSERVATION 1 Unknown $0.00 2/26/2008
WA SNOHOMISH HELMET,ADVANCED COMBAT 2 Each $280.80 12/21/2009
WA SNOHOMISH HELMET,ADVANCED COMBAT 5 Each $280.80 12/21/2009
WA SNOHOMISH HELMET,ADVANCED COMBAT 4 Each $280.80 12/21/2009
WA SNOHOMISH IMAGE INTENSIFIER,NIGHT VISION 1 Each $6,800.00 4/15/2013
WA SNOHOMISH IMAGE INTENSIFIER,NIGHT VISION 1 Each $6,800.00 4/15/2013
WA SNOHOMISH IMAGE INTENSIFIER,NIGHT VISION 1 Each $6,800.00 4/15/2013
WA SNOHOMISH IMAGE INTENSIFIER,NIGHT VISION 1 Each $6,800.00 4/15/2013
WA SNOHOMISH MINE RESISTANT VEHICLE 1 Each $658,000.00 9/9/2013
WA SNOHOMISH POCKET,GP MEDIUM 20 Each $27.20 5/22/2013
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Unknown $0.00 5/28/2008
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Unknown $0.00 5/28/2008
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Unknown $0.00 5/28/2008
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Unknown $0.00 5/28/2008
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Each $89.57 9/16/2010
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Each $89.57 9/16/2010
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Each $89.57 9/16/2010
WA SNOHOMISH REVOLVER,CALIBER .38 SPECIAL 1 Each $89.57 9/16/2010
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/11/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/11/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/11/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/11/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/11/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 12/11/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 1/5/2011
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 1/5/2011
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 3/14/2011
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 3/14/2011
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,5.56 MILLIMETER 1 Each $499.00 3/14/2011
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 12/7/2006
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 7/9/2008
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 11/3/2010
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 11/3/2010
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 11/3/2010
WA SNOHOMISH RIFLE,7.62 MILLIMETER 1 Each $138.00 11/3/2010
WA SNOHOMISH TIRE,PNEUMATIC,VEHICULAR 4 Each $893.53 11/26/2013
WA SNOHOMISH TRUCK,UTILITY 1 Each $25,000.00 8/19/2011
WA SNOHOMISH TRUCK,UTILITY 1 Each $41,253.00 8/4/2011
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Fighting them on the move is a sucker's game. They gotta live near you to oppress you, get 'em while they're parked. :lol:
:lol: true
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Mine bought one mine resistant vehicle, about half a dozen 5.56 rifles, a helicopter observation (whatever that is), a ton of computer stuff, an ice maker, and a lot of other non-threatening items.
I've never seen a SWAT team here. That's not to say there isn't one, but I've never seen any officers in SWAT gear, or a vehicle marked as such.
I know that the county to the north of us has a SWAT team. The deputy who instructed the driver safety class I took wouldn't let us forget that he was on the SWAT team.
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My county just go about 15 rifles and a couple dozen reflex sights.
My parents county got a few rifles, but also some trucks, dump trucks, trailers and tires.
I don't see much tacticool stuff.
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Racine County, WI.
A boat, boat trailer, rifles, pistols, ballistic eye wear, and, oh yeah . . . 2 grenade launchers!?!?! :O And 1, $460,000 "COMPLETE COMBAT/ASSAULT/TACTICAL WHEELED VEHICLES" :O
Plus, apparently they paid $60 for .45 pistols and 120 for 5.56 rifles. Man, I want to see those prices in my local gun shop . . .
The records only go up to 2010. Who knows what's been brought in-house in the last four years.
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It would be interesting to find out if the Rifle, 7.62mm are the old M21/M24 sniper rifles or SAW's.
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a helicopter observation (whatever that is)
Either an old OH-6 or an OH-58. Seen a lot of the first go out. Basically it's the mil version of the MD 520.
2 grenade launchers!?!?!
To serve as 40mm less lethal launchers, I bet.
It would be interesting to find out if the Rifle, 7.62mm are the old M21/M24 sniper rifles or SAW's.
M249 SAW is a 5.56 LMG...
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Mine bought one mine resistant vehicle,
Next county over got one of those...I'm wondering if it might be practical as a brush truck for the fire department; the ability to drive over fences, through heavy brush and fresh-burned areas without damage can be really useful when trying to get an advantageous position in a wildfire, or to get the crew away from one. Definitely not situations where you can just hop out and change a tire, or unwrap the barbed wire from the axle before continuing.
A lot of the serious brush trucks and tankers at the VFDs around here are surplus military gear. They can be tricky to maintain, but when you've got to make an alternate route in a hurry, they work.
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While looking through the CA counties, I found it interesting the LA county had 146 pages of stuff, with a ton of tactical stuff, while San Diego county only had 18 pages, with not that much tactical stuff. Given San Diego county is on the Mexican border, I would have figured they'd be trying for more vehicles and helos and such, but their orders were much more benign.
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Next county over got one of those...I'm wondering if it might be practical as a brush truck for the fire department; the ability to drive over fences, through heavy brush and fresh-burned areas without damage can be really useful when trying to get an advantageous position in a wildfire, or to get the crew away from one. Definitely not situations where you can just hop out and change a tire, or unwrap the barbed wire from the axle before continuing.
A lot of the serious brush trucks and tankers at the VFDs around here are surplus military gear. They can be tricky to maintain, but when you've got to make an alternate route in a hurry, they work.
I doubt it ... the MRAPs would be too heavy and awkward for off road fire suppression, and likely don't have a very good payload for water. Those "skidgines" (logging skidder combined with water tank and nozzle) would be handy though.
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MRAPs are mine resistant not fire resistant.
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Next county over got one of those...I'm wondering if it might be practical as a brush truck for the fire department; the ability to drive over fences, through heavy brush and fresh-burned areas without damage can be really useful when trying to get an advantageous position in a wildfire, or to get the crew away from one. Definitely not situations where you can just hop out and change a tire, or unwrap the barbed wire from the axle before continuing.
A lot of the serious brush trucks and tankers at the VFDs around here are surplus military gear. They can be tricky to maintain, but when you've got to make an alternate route in a hurry, they work.
Absolutely not.
MRAPs are good on roads, but offroad they suck pretty bad.
It'd be a no-go.
Your best bet for obstacles and challenging terrain is a tracked machine, and for soft ground an LGP tracked machine.
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M249 SAW is a 5.56 LMG...
Sorry, I meant the M240B
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I doubt it ... the MRAPs would be too heavy and awkward for off road fire suppression, and likely don't have a very good payload for water.
Stripping off the side and top armor (leaving the bottom as basically a hellacious skidplate) would allow a lot of extra weight capacity for a water tank, and most of the fire areas around here tend to be really uneven hardpan; in the drought (fire) season, it's more like very mild bouldering than mudding, but with the need to be able to drive over small to medium trees.
Now, when it rains properly, it's a different story, but there aren't nearly as many wildfires when the ground is soupy.
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Hidden amongst rifles 5.56mm, cold weather gear, night vision goggles and a bugle are a couple handfuls of burst cams, at 4 bucks apiece.
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Stripping off the side and top armor (leaving the bottom as basically a hellacious skidplate) would allow a lot of extra weight capacity for a water tank, and most of the fire areas around here tend to be really uneven hardpan; in the drought (fire) season, it's more like very mild bouldering than mudding, but with the need to be able to drive over small to medium trees.
Now, when it rains properly, it's a different story, but there aren't nearly as many wildfires when the ground is soupy.
Most of the bigger vehicles are just used as water tender to supply the smaller "brush trucks" (typically 1-ton dually 4x4s with 200 gallon tanks). So there really isn't that great a need to cover extremely rough ground. The 6x6 trucks do well as tenders except they are slow on the highway and are limited to about 1000-1500 gallons. The best rough ground fire fighting rig is a helicopter with a water bucket ;)
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Stripping off the side and top armor (leaving the bottom as basically a hellacious skidplate) would allow a lot of extra weight capacity for a water tank, and most of the fire areas around here tend to be really uneven hardpan; in the drought (fire) season, it's more like very mild bouldering than mudding, but with the need to be able to drive over small to medium trees.
Now, when it rains properly, it's a different story, but there aren't nearly as many wildfires when the ground is soupy.
No, it still sucks, and the armor is part of the structure, it's not bolt on.
Plus if something like that is acquired from the DOD through the 1033 program it needs to be maintained so as to be returnable should the .gov ask for it back, that is one of the conditions of the program.
The tires are still fairly narrow, and the hull shape sucks. Like I said, it's a shitty platform for off road. On road, be it paved or even a rough road, yes, but off road mobility sucks.
There are far better platforms for what you are proposing. Here is one.
This is an FMC (Food Machinery Corp) tracked skidder with a water tank. This is basically an APC chassis (Notice the similarity to the M113s, which were also built by FMC) with a forestry package instead of the APC troop carrier compartment.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.kmc-kootrac.com%2Findustry%2FFireTracker_003exp.jpg&hash=c932478c4bdff4e05d5d06547d939c2c33bcd049)
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Some safes, a bunch of tools, some first aid kits, some sleeping mats, couple radios, a lot of magazines, dozen rifles, cold weather gear, 31 "sustainment pouch" (WTF?)
Assuming the WTF is about the sustainment pouches, those are the two big pouches on the sides of the MOLLE ruck.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.armyproperty.com%2FEquipment-Info%2FPictures%2FMOLLE-Rucksack-3.jpg&hash=724384369b3f87b440aa02ec22bb4f103e67babe)
Right behind this guy's shoulder with the big "US" stamped on it...
Looks like this by itself: http://www.amazon.com/G-I-Military-MOLLE-Sustainment-Pouch/dp/B005LEPMSA (http://www.amazon.com/G-I-Military-MOLLE-Sustainment-Pouch/dp/B005LEPMSA)
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Wow - Boom and I actually agree :lol:
The above picture is what I was calling a "skidgine" though the ones I've seen were 4 or 6 wheel rubber tired articulated instead of tracked.
I've actually thought about something like a 6x6 with a three point hitch on the back for a disk plow - something that could move down the road 30-40 mph yet create a fire break. =|
One of the most useful firefighting rigs around here are the local ranchers who show up with a 100++ horsepower tractor with a big disk on the back. :cool:
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I've actually thought about something like a 6x6 with a three point hitch on the back for a disk plow - something that could move down the road 30-40 mph yet create a fire break.
Ya'll don't have any of the fire graders?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubfUt-alNCo
You boys need to write some grants for some heavy equipment and hire me to fix 'em and run 'em.
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Ya'll don't have any of the fire graders?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubfUt-alNCo
You boys need to write some grants for some heavy equipment and hire me to fix 'em and run 'em.
Heck, we can hardly even get our roads graded. When we do, they usually make them worse. :facepalm:
Montana isn't quite as flat a Texas. I'm not sure how a grader would cross a steep sided coulee =| Come to think of it, I recall a mutual aid fire in the next county where a grader got stuck in a bog down in a coulee :lol:
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I'm disappointed. Milwaukee county only got a bunch of M16's and M14's.
And all they're ever going to do with the M14's is march in parades.
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Montana isn't quite as flat a Texas. I'm not sure how a grader would cross a steep sided coulee =|
Then you need to start early; any ditch can be filled in if you work at it long enough.
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Greenville County SC--
The only thing I can imagine is causing the price discrepancy is auto vs full auto but that seems like a huge gap. And I would love to know what they're purchasing in 7.62 that they only paid $138.
A different article had the NSNs. They're M-14s. I wouldn't be surprised if $138 was the original purchase price. Either that or it's the appreciated(inflation) depreciated(they're old) value.
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Then you need to start early; any ditch can be filled in if you work at it long enough.
I keep saying that we need paved roads built to every fire because I get tired of being bounced around :P
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A different article had the NSNs. They're M-14s. I wouldn't be surprised if $138 was the original purchase price. Either that or it's the appreciated(inflation) depreciated(they're old) value.
Link?
I have FEDLOG and would really like to know which Truck, Utility my SO got. I'm thinking M35A2 or M9 31 series, but I don't have the nomenclature memorized.
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Link?
I have FEDLOG and would really like to know which Truck, Utility my SO got. I'm thinking M35A2 or M9 31 series, but I don't have the nomenclature memorized.
Ditto. I want to try and figure out what the $6.5 million aircraft is.
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http://thefreethoughtproject.com/man-awarded-125k-arrested-strip-searched-filming-nypd-stop-frisk/
It's the attitude more so than the weapons. These idiots with badges in this article should be in prison getting butt humped.
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Did some more looking. Oklahoma County got 6 helos. A butt load of 5.56 rifles quite a few trucks and oddly enough a good pile of ski boots.
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Did some more looking. Oklahoma County got 6 helos. A butt load of 5.56 rifles quite a few trucks and oddly enough a good pile of ski boots.
Gotta take vacations in Colorado, you know ;)
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AEROBIC STEPPER BOARDS 8 EA $50.00
AEROBIC STEPPER PLATFORMS 10 EA $50.00
BOXING GLOVES 1 PR $50.00
CAMOUFLAGE NET SYSTEM,RADAR SCATTERING 1 Each $1,030.00
DETECTING SET,MINE 2 Each $1,196.00
MONITOR PATIENT VITAL SIGNS 1 EA $2,662.20
16 - PISTOL,CALIBER .45,AUTOMATIC 1 Each $58.71
Multiple pages of 5.56 rifles
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AEROBIC STEPPER BOARDS 8 EA $50.00
AEROBIC STEPPER PLATFORMS 10 EA $50.00
IOW, boxes that you can step up onto. Could make 2-3 of them from a 2x12.
BOXING GLOVES 1 PR $50.00
The going rate for nasty-ass used boxing gloves has gone up since the last garage sale I was at.
CAMOUFLAGE NET SYSTEM,RADAR SCATTERING 1 Each $1,030.00
Is this just a fancier version of a ~$50 tarp, or does it include $50 worth of tent poles, too?
DETECTING SET,MINE 2 Each $1,196.00
A couple of $200-300 metal detectors, and maybe some accessories that have little to no use outside of a battlefield.
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Wish I could buy a 1911 for $58.71.
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Wish I could buy a 1911 for $58.71.
I'd even consider it if it was packaged with a couple of $50 butt-ugly step stools. Sweaty, mouldy old boxing gloves might be going too far, though.
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Three swords with scabbard in my county. I wish it would narrow it down to each department.
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False advertising. The site claims to allow us to see how militarized our county and local police departments are becoming. Around here, unincorporated areas are few and far between, so there are virtually NO county police, and lots of municipal departments. But the database doesn't break it down any lower than county, which is essentially useless information since it doesn't tell me what agency within the county actually got the toys.
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Our county only has one LE agency so that makes it pretty simple =)
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Our county only has one LE agency so that makes it pretty simple =)
Yep. That "Standing Army" thang.
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Yep. That "Standing Army" thang.
Not sure what you are trying to say ...
The county seat has no city police force, and contracts with the sheriff dept for inside city limits.
Which effectively means that the deputies hardly ever get out into the rest of the county except to write tickets on the main N/S highway ;/
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Maricopa county, AZ... looks like we could start a military surplus store.
Not entirely sure what the radar scattering netting is for.
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Not entirely sure what the radar scattering netting is for.
That would be to meet the dictionary definition of, "We'll never use this in a million years, but it's so cool we've got to get it!"
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A bit of buyer's remorse perhaps?
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/28/police-saddled-with-unwanted-equipment-amid-milita/
But what I found most striking was the "Us v Them" attitude clearly conveyed but the Undersheriff. That's the real problem.
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I'm disappointed. Milwaukee county only got a bunch of M16's and M14's.
And all they're ever going to do with the M14's is march in parades.
I remember about a decade or so ago, their Huey crashed, and there was a pretty strong outcry to not get a replacement. I remember the urinal sentinel making a big deal about the Police Chief at around the same time buying a .338 lapua sniper rifle for the department.
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Here's a picture of the Camouflage Netting, Radar Scattering in use by a M109 SP 155mm Field Artillery battery during Reforger. Looks natural, doesn't it?
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F6%2F6f%2FReforger1986Germany.jpg&hash=b59aaea5fdea28d1fcb01957fcea6c7685bc8461)
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One of the things ya'll probably don't realize about the 1033 program is that a lot of the stuff is in mixed lots.
Like, for example, say you see 20 pairs of boots in a lot. Well you put in for that lot, but it also comes with the camo netting, some boxing gloves, and some excercise equipment. Well you can't tell them "Hey, we just want the boots", you are getting shipped the whole lot.
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Except that DRMO lots are generally of the same general kinds of things. You won't get radar scattering nets with boxing gloves, just like you won't get M4s and Dell notebooks in the same lots.