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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Hawkmoon on February 04, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
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http://www.myfoxny.com/story/24587771/school-seizes-lunches-from-students-and-throws-them-away
Cliff's Notes version:
School uses prepaid accounts for cafeteria lunches. Kids get food first, then swipe card. Kids with low funds have lunches confiscated -- but food once served can't be re-used, so it got tossed while the kids went hungry.
Brilliant. Government-think at its best.
God forbid a kid might be allowed to eat the food today and replenish the account tomorrow ...
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IIRC there reports of this type last year as well. If so it goes to show they will never learn.
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Ms. MillCreek 1.0 runs the nutrition services for a school district of 22,000 students. I like to call her the head lunch lady. Her district uses the system where parents pay to load up a card that the student uses to pay for lunch. That way, the district does not have to handle cash in food services. Her approach is to send several notifications to the parents when the account is running low. If the parents still don't pay and the account runs out of money, they give the child a cheese sandwich, piece of fruit and carton of milk only until such time as the parents load up the account or fill out the paperwork for the free or reduced lunch program.
Her program has to cover all of its fixed, variable and labor costs out of the revenue of selling food and she gets no money from the district. In addition, she has to give everything over a certain amount to the district general fund, so that in a sense, she is a revenue generator for the district. People skipping out on the bills is a direct hit to her bottom line, so they do take enforcement action. A couple of years ago, she was out $ 35,000 on parents skipping out on paying the lunch cards for their kids, so the school board directed the cheese sandwich approach, and to send the deadbeat parents to collection. You should all be happy that your taxes are not subsidizing deadbeat parents who can afford to pay for school lunch.
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IIRC there reports of this type last year as well. If so it goes to show they will never learn.
Why would they learn? Who's going to make them? The school districts don't give two flying *expletive deleted*s what the parent's opinions are. The school district's view is "this is how we're gonna do it and you're damn well going to like it. We don't care if it makes sense or not, we don't care how it looks, this is how it will be handled"
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So we should teach the kids that they can get food without paying as long as they promise (pinky swear) that they'll get it tomorrow?
What do you think happens at Starbucks if the coffee is already poured and you can't pay? Or a Bar? (hint: same thing)
Yes it's a little wasteful but someone needs to teach these kids to have the scrip for what they want before they order it. And apparently their parents are in need of a similar lesson.
We don't need to run a line of credit for forgetful parents at school lunches.
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How about they move the card swipe machine to the front of the line?? Then if little Johnny or Jane's parent(s) didn't reload their accounts you can either kick them out of line before any food is served or go with Cheese sandwich option.
Remember TANSTAAFL ? It truly applies in this case.
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Kids do ala carte. Price varies. They use id numbers here no card
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How about they move the card swipe machine to the front of the line?? Then if little Johnny or Jane's parent(s) did reload their accounts you can either kick them out of line before any food is served or go with Cheese sandwich option.
My ex does something like this at her schools and she says most other districts do this as well. She says this way makes sure that you do not humiliate the kids because you can figure out the problem before the kid goes through the line. She has a real issue with how the district in the news story handled this because the kids are held up to ridicule. Another advantage of the card swipe system is that no one knows if the child is on the free and reduced price lunch program which is important for their dignity. She says that in the 'old days', kids on the program might have a special colored coupon or token and the other kids could tell that Johnny's parents were poor. Now, the kids all swipe the same card and go through the same line.
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The school my kids went to started a card program where we had to prepay the card, they would do 1 charge if balance wasn't kept up. The mouth breathing, cleptomaniac slug* the school system put in charge of the system had the bad judgement to loudly and publicaly inform my wife that we were behind in our payments one evening at the local grocery store. I wish I had been there to see it.
It took almost 2 weeks to get a lisitng of our kids accounts. Come to find out while my daughter had been away from school for a week attending some national band thing she had rung up 4 lunches and my son had been charged for 3 lunches the week he was out of school sick.
Anther fireworks show I was sorry to have missed. They did at least find the mouthbreathing cleptomaniac slug another position in the lunch lady line up where she didn't have access to money.
*We had gone to school with her, I wasn't too keen on her even being employed at a school let alone actually handling other peoples money.
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Sigh. We have folks all zomg rfid obama fema camps over the card thing.its painful
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Sigh. We have folks all zomg rfid obama fema camps over the card thing.its painful
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We had a similar thing here in Tacoma when the local school district lunch program was thinking of switching from a card reader to a palm reader, to cut down on the problems with the kids losing or forgetting their cards. The tinfoil contingent was out in strength at the School Board meetings, that this was the first step in government databases, and tracking and sending data on what little Johnny ate to Michelle Obama for JBT raids by the food police, etc. The district cancelled the plans for the palm reader.
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Here its usually the same folks. The vaxxer truthers common core family tree is very inbred
Like jeff foxworthy says. No branches
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The tinfoil contingent was out in strength at the School Board meetings, that this was the first step in government databases, and tracking and sending data on what little Johnny ate to Michelle Obama for JBT raids by the food police, etc.
Well? Aren't they? Not that doing it with a fingerprint reader tattles back to the overness any less than a swipe card.
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A couple of years ago, she was out $ 35,000 on parents skipping out on paying the lunch cards for their kids, so the school board directed the cheese sandwich approach, and to send the deadbeat parents to collection. You should all be happy that your taxes are not subsidizing deadbeat parents who can afford to pay for school lunch.
I don't dispute the problem of deadbeats.
I just don't see how dishing up the food and then discarding it rather than allowing the kid to eat it in any way ameliorates the problem.
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Well? Aren't they? Not that doing it with a fingerprint reader tattles back to the overness any less than a swipe card.
My ex-wife says no, but I don't expect people to be convinced. They believe what they want to believe.
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I don't dispute the problem of deadbeats.
I just don't see how dishing up the food and then discarding it rather than allowing the kid to eat it in any way ameliorates the problem.
My ex-wife agrees; she thinks it was poorly handled, and she suspects that it was a single lunch lady or kitchen manager that was doing this, and it may not have been district policy.
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My ex-wife says no, but I don't expect people to be convinced. They believe what they want to believe.
Is school lunches not a USDA program anymore?
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We had a similar thing here in Tacoma when the local school district lunch program was thinking of switching from a card reader to a palm reader, to cut down on the problems with the kids losing or forgetting their cards. The tinfoil contingent was out in strength at the School Board meetings, that this was the first step in government databases, and tracking and sending data on what little Johnny ate to Michelle Obama for JBT raids by the food police, etc. The district cancelled the plans for the palm reader.
Wouldn't it be easier just to tattoo a bar code on their hand? :police: >:D
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Here its usually the same folks. The vaxxer truthers common core family tree is very inbred
Like jeff foxworthy says. No branches
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Lumping folks that disagree with common core in with vaxxers and truthers is pretty petty and insulting even by your low standards.
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School uses prepaid accounts for cafeteria lunches. Kids get food first, then swipe card. Kids with low funds have lunches confiscated -- but food once served can't be re-used, so it got tossed while the kids went hungry.
If you don't eat your meat extruded protein sheet, you can't have any pudding. How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat extruded protein sheet?!?
The suggestion that school lunch programs are actually revenue RAISERS for schools is awful. Coupled with schools being deliberately abusive, miserly and wasteful by throwing food away...
I like the way it used to work back when I was a kid... a stupid blue ticket. You buy a book of them every month or whatever, and take one each day with you to the lunch line. I don't remember the per-ticket price, but I think it was something like $0.50 to $0.90 per ticket as I was going through school. A kid's happy meal at McDonalds, for comparison, was maybe $1.99 I think? Late 80's.
By High School we had an a la carte system and we were all paying cash... consequently, lunch lines were really stinking slow. But in the mid-90's I was paying $1.50 to $2 per day for school lunches. I have to admit that High School food was higher quality than the Elementary fare, so the increase in price wasn't all from inflation.
What are kids paying now for lunch? Is it a la carte even at the elementary school level, and kids have to pay per item? Have you actually seen the food and/or tasted the quality of the food your kids are getting for that price? Is it worth it, in your opinion?
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Is school lunches not a USDA program anymore?
It is, and the USDA wants aggregate data in terms of costs, commodities used, number of people who buy meals, etc. But the people who think that granular data down to the level of if little Johnny selected the pudding cup versus the fresh fruit cup is gathered, recorded, and then sent to the Feds, it is not. But there are many people who think this.
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The suggestion that school lunch programs are actually revenue RAISERS for schools is awful.
The interesting thing about this is that there are national food service companies who come to the School Board and make a pitch for outsourcing the school nutrition program to them. They have lots of Powerpoints and income projections showing how they will make a profit for the school district. One of the main ways they have of doing this is firing all the nutrition program staffers and rehiring them at lower wage rates.
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The interesting thing about this is that there are national food service companies who come to the School Board and make a pitch for outsourcing the school nutrition program to them. They have lots of Powerpoints and income projections showing how they will make a profit for the school district. One of the main ways they have of doing this is firing all the nutrition program staffers and rehiring them at lower wage rates.
You get what you pay for. I've made it a personal rule to never continue working at any place that ever cuts my wage. Oh, I'd smile and take it. Until I found another gig. I'd also only do my job, and nothing more. No suggestions on how to increase efficiency or reduce costs.
I've always found that "fire the person without any cause, and offer them their job back at maybe 60% of their original wages" to be very distasteful. I hope someone leaked those PowerPoint slides.
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Lumping folks that disagree with common core in with vaxxers and truthers is pretty petty and insulting even by your low standards.
Its unfortunately true here
For pitys sake va doesn't do common core and we've had the ranters show up agitated at meetings seemingly unable to grasp that while va was a part of tbe standards development we opted out thinking ee could go higher independently. I am not totally unsympathetic to fears folks have over what they've been told it represents. However in this area at least the representatives of opposition are members of multiple groups I had mentioned. The guys the other parents roll their eyes when they show up, usually with a videographer. Its good entertainment but folks leave early for work and a 8 pm meeting we like to get things done and humoring these folks isn't on the to do list.
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You get what you pay for. I've made it a personal rule to never continue working at any place that ever cuts my wage. Oh, I'd smile and take it. Until I found another gig. I'd also only do my job, and nothing more. No suggestions on how to increase efficiency or reduce costs.
I've always found that "fire the person without any cause, and offer them their job back at maybe 60% of their original wages" to be very distasteful. I hope someone leaked those PowerPoint slides.
The interesting thing about the staffing, according to my ex-wife, is that some of them would pay her to work. These are primarily older women whose kids are grown, and they like to have a reason to get out of the house for a few hours and dish up food on the lunch line. They like to get out, socialize with their friends beside them on the lunch line, see the kids, and maybe earn some pin money. They work maybe two to three hours per day setting up, serving, and then tearing down and cleaning up. It kinds of reminds me of my neighbor across the street: she has been working in HR at Boeing for years and years. She can well afford to retire, but her husband died several years ago, and her kids live out of state, so she says she primarily goes to work for the social aspects.
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Its unfortunately true here
For pitys sake va doesn't do common core and we've had the ranters show up agitated at meetings seemingly unable to grasp that while va was a part of tbe standards development we opted out thinking ee could go higher independently. I am not totally unsympathetic to fears folks have over what they've been told it represents. However in this area at least the representatives of opposition are members of multiple groups I had mentioned. The guys the other parents roll their eyes when they show up, usually with a videographer. Its good entertainment but folks leave early for work and a 8 pm meeting we like to get things done and humoring these folks isn't on the to do list.
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Surely even you see the error in that logic. "Most crazy conspiranoia types don't like common core. Therefore, people who don't like common core are crazy conspiranoia types. Most members of white supremacist groups self identify as Christian when asked their religious affiliation. Therefore, Christians are neo-nazis."
And I love the cheap dig, "what they've been told it represents." Cause of course no one could have actually read the materials, have a thorough understanding of the program, and object to it. Nope, must be just a bunch of delusional morons frothing over imaginary concerns.
This is what happens when we don't have a bad cop thread you can troll isn't it?
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Surely even you see the error in that logic. "Most crazy conspiranoia types don't like common core. Therefore, people who don't like common core are crazy conspiranoia types. Most members of white supremacist groups self identify as Christian when asked their religious affiliation. Therefore, Christians are neo-nazis."
And I love the cheap dig, "what they've been told it represents." Cause of course no one could have actually read the materials, have a thorough understanding of the program, and object to it. Nope, must be just a bunch of delusional morons frothing over imaginary concerns.
This is what happens when we don't have a bad cop thread you can troll isn't it?
while there must be folks that actually do some research i am waiting to meet one. i've asked. i get pointed to the same couple you tube vids or "shudder" info wars.
at the meetings here i am the guy that goes up to them and explains that they will call the cops and the cops will remove em. several times its been guys i know so i am trying to spare them the ride. i often fail but hey when folks show up to rant about a program thats NOT gonna be used its kinda an indicator of state of mind. some folks are scared of em think they are crazy. they aren't so much crazy as intense and in my interactions under and mis informed. typically they've seen someone elses vid and it got them fired up. their hearts are in the right place but brain hasn't caught up.
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while there must be folks that actually do some research i am waiting to meet one. i've asked. i get pointed to the same couple you tube vids or "shudder" info wars.
at the meetings here i am the guy that goes up to them and explains that they will call the cops and the cops will remove em. several times its been guys i know so i am trying to spare them the ride. i often fail but hey when folks show up to rant about a program thats NOT gonna be used its kinda an indicator of state of mind. some folks are scared of em think they are crazy. they aren't so much crazy as intense and in my interactions under and mis informed. typically they've seen someone elses vid and it got them fired up. their hearts are in the right place but brain hasn't caught up.
"The crazy people who show up to rant are crazy, therefore everyone who is opposes to the same thing they are is equally crazy."
Perhaps you don't meet the non-crazy ranting people because (wait for it) they don't show up to rant crazily? Nah, they must all be like that.
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heck as the best endorsement of common core the new york teachers union hates it
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/new-york-common-core-teachers-schools-education-102614.html
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Hate to break it to you C&SD but I was one of those that showed up at the local school board meeting to register my opinion on Common Core.
However, I'm not a truther, birther, vaxxer (unless you mean I get my kids vaccinated), HAARPist, or Chemtrailer.
I did, however, not care for the Federal database that Common Core uses (and provides to various .gov agencies and private companies).
The local school board gave the impression that they weren't exactly thrilled with Common Core, but since the State of Illinois said "Sie werden" on the curriculum, they had to implement that. The board was and is refusing to do the Big Brother stuff.
Now, math is math and it hasn't changed much over the last several centuries. His math teacher even told them that the methods used by your parents aren't wrong, just different, use the method(s) that work for you. "There's more than one way to skin a cat."
Many parents (myself included) weren't happy with the touchy/feely, hippie/dippy English curriculum. Not enough parts of speech/spelling and writing type learning, more emphasis on typing/technology, and "being yourself" as well getting rid of grades. (Although the students have to rate themselves and put in their own grades ;/).
But, for me, school is just the basics, the groundwork. It's my job to fill in the gaps and especially help guide him on his choices of reading materials. With a heavy emphasis on classics. As in more Twain/Kipling/Poe but less Bronte/Dickens. Somewhere in here is my rant to Female English teachers about engaging pre-teen and teenage boys, which goes something like less Romeo & Juliet, more Henry V.
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How much does one need to know about Common Core to oppose it? All I know is that it intends push nationwide standards. That right there is bad news.
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How much does one need to know about Common Core to oppose it? All I know is that it intends push nationwide standards. That right there is bad news.
why?
and who set those standards?
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Hate to break it to you C&SD but I was one of those that showed up at the local school board meeting to register my opinion on Common Core.
However, I'm not a truther, birther, vaxxer (unless you mean I get my kids vaccinated), HAARPist, or Chemtrailer.
I did, however, not care for the Federal database that Common Core uses (and provides to various .gov agencies and private companies).
The local school board gave the impression that they weren't exactly thrilled with Common Core, but since the State of Illinois said "Sie werden" on the curriculum, they had to implement that. The board was and is refusing to do the Big Brother stuff.
Now, math is math and it hasn't changed much over the last several centuries. His math teacher even told them that the methods used by your parents aren't wrong, just different, use the method(s) that work for you. "There's more than one way to skin a cat."
Many parents (myself included) weren't happy with the touchy/feely, hippie/dippy English curriculum. Not enough parts of speech/spelling and writing type learning, more emphasis on typing/technology, and "being yourself" as well getting rid of grades. (Although the students have to rate themselves and put in their own grades ;/).
But, for me, school is just the basics, the groundwork. It's my job to fill in the gaps and especially help guide him on his choices of reading materials. With a heavy emphasis on classics. As in more Twain/Kipling/Poe but less Bronte/Dickens. Somewhere in here is my rant to Female English teachers about engaging pre-teen and teenage boys, which goes something like less Romeo & Juliet, more Henry V.
what info is going into that database ? that is different from that already collated by the states and feds? and is there a particular thing you are concerned they will do? or is it a distaste for the feds in general?
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or is it a distaste for the feds in general?
There's a lot more to it than that, but that's enough all on its own.
(And yes, I know it's not technically being pushed by the Feds. Might as well be, though. Results will be the same either way. Pressure to conform to the national standards will be nigh impossible to resist.)
All I know is that it intends push nationwide standards. That right there is bad news.
Ayup.
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The school does not need to know my health-care history, income information, religious affiliations, voting status, and even blood types and homework-completion rates. They don't need to share it with other agencies, and they sure as hell don't need to be able to sell it to private companies.
Just educate my kid. Period. End. Full Stop.
Why is that so hard for you to understand ??
I don't give a flying fig if other agencies collect information on me. As long as it does not go beyond the scope of of what their mission is. The city water department can track my water usage and payment record, but they cannot and should not be allowed to share that info with the library, police, or building department. Nor sell my any of my info to companies that pitch water softners. Again; Period. End. Full Stop.
The only info the feds should get from the schools is X% (Y out of Z students) of our students met or exceed your silly standards. Now, bugger off.
In fact, I'd be much happier if the feds got completely out of education and the Dept of Education was completely and utterly defunded.
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why?
and who set those standards?
Education is not in Washington's mandate (cf. the U.S. Constitution)
The standards should be set by the local school board, perhaps with some oversight or assistance from the state. Washington's involvement is wrong, wasteful, overly-centralized, and just a stupid way of going about business.
I shouldn't have to explain these things to any American. These things should be well understood and widely agreed upon, even by the yutzes in D.C.
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Education is not in Washington's mandate (cf. the U.S. Constitution)
The standards should be set by the local school board, perhaps with some oversight or assistance from the state. Washington's involvement is wrong, wasteful, overly-centralized, and just a stupid way of going about business.
I shouldn't have to explain these things to any American. These things should be well understood and widely agreed upon, even by the yutzes in D.C.
And again I ask who sets those standards? A hint
It wasn't washington. Your thought that it was typifies the beliefs of many. Its understandable since thats what the you tube voices preach
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I have never seen any YouTube videos on Common Core.
Oh, look:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_to_the_Top
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Wanna try again? Who set the standards. Holler if you need help
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Wanna try again? Who set the standards. Holler if you need help
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The National Governors Association. (Which should be spending their time flipping off the fed.gov not knuckling under.)
Now, what that has to do with a FEDERALLY run database: http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/ is beyond me, but is this simply your way of being a obtuse and a troll?
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The National Governors Association. (Which should be spending their time flipping off the fed.gov not knuckling under.)
Now, what that has to do with a FEDERALLY run database: http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/ is beyond me, but is this simply your way of being a obtuse and a troll?
whats your issue there?
i am not totally unfamiliar with the forms they send home. it would seem you are referring to a system i am not in compliance with. do i need to bar the door? post a watch for dark green choppers?
how does it work in your area?
you know those reports go back into the 60's?
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The National Governors Association. (Which should be spending their time flipping off the fed.gov not knuckling under.)
Now, what that has to do with a FEDERALLY run database: http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/ is beyond me, but is this simply your way of being a obtuse and a troll?
Honestly, I don't care where the standards are set, with the Fed.gov or some other national organization.
The standards need to be set locally where I, as a parent, can have the most input.
(Of course, I plan on having at least 50% of the input in my children's standards, so I'm unlikely to be arguing about common core at a school district.)
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Honestly, I don't care where the standards are set, with the Fed.gov or some other national organization.
The standards need to be set locally where I, as a parent, can have the most input.
(Of course, I plan on having at least 50% of the input in my children's standards, so I'm unlikely to be arguing about common core at a school district.)
parents were a part of the process. right here in va heck our last gov ran on the program
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parents were a part of the process. right here in va heck our last gov ran on the program
I'm sure they were. However, any time something is done at a national level, each parent's input is diluted.
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Education is not in Washington's mandate (cf. the U.S. Constitution)
The standards should be set by the local school board, perhaps with some oversight or assistance from the state. Washington's involvement is wrong, wasteful, overly-centralized, and just a stupid way of going about business.
I shouldn't have to explain these things to any American. These things should be well understood and widely agreed upon, even by the yutzes in D.C.
Indeed.
The National Governors Association. (Which should be spending their time flipping off the fed.gov not knuckling under.)
Ought not all involved be subject to federal RICO laws and state-level racketeering charges? :P
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No parents at any of my kids' schools had any input.
Education is a very local matter; standards, curriculum, etc. need to be set at the school board level.
Sawdust
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I'm sure they were. However, any time something is done at a national level, each parent's input is diluted.
what have you read about how it actually works?
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whats your issue there?
IT'S NONE OF THEIR FARKING BUSINESS !!!!
i am not totally unfamiliar with the forms they send home. it would seem you are referring to a system i am not in compliance with. do i need to bar the door? post a watch for dark green choppers?
Yes, don't venture out, nor post on the interwebz, they'll be coming for you.
how does it work in your area?
As I stated, my school district has opted out of the database. For now. While they still can. However, rather than raising the standards for math and English, they seem to have been lowered, as my son is 're-doing' the same math lessons he had last year, plus the schools seem to be 'teaching to the test' as opposed to pushing the students to excel beyond the minimums required.
you know those reports go back into the 60's?
Which "reports" are you referring to? And please list all the reports, all the data points used/recorded in said reports and how that information was collected/gathered.
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A revolutionary idea comes to me. Don't answer questions you don't like. My whole state opted out.
http://nces.ed.gov/ccd/pub_historical.asp
data points to your hearts content
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what have you read about how it actually works?
Very litte. As I stated, I am already planning to opt out of public schooling for my children, so I don't know how it works, nor do I have any incentive to learn. (At least, until the government decides that having homeschoolers receiving a better education than those at public school just isn't fair and outlaws homeschooling.)
I DO know, however, that to have a uniform curriculum across the country, it must be decided on by someone other than me and my close neighbors.
(I am opposed to large school districts for this reason as well. The further removed the locus of control, the less accountable the representatives.)
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Wanna try again? Who set the standards. Holler if you need help
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Try what again? Did you think I was playing some kind of game with you? I'm not here to answer your questions about Common Core. I've already said I know very little about it. To reiterate my position, though, schools should not answer to any one national standard, regardless who sets it.
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fistful, he was referring to Scout's posts.
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and they don't HAVE TO answer. they can and some have opted out. even in midstream as it were
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No parents at any of my kids' schools had any input.
Education is a very local matter; standards, curriculum, etc. need to be set at the school board level.
Sawdust
Aren't you in texas? Texas opted not to participate.
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Aren't you in texas? Texas opted not to participate.
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And the howls form the progressives were heartwarming. Almost as sweet as the howls when Perry did not expand Medicaid . He & his folks did the math. IN 10 years, when the fedgov subsidy stopped, the Medicare program would have been larger than the entire budget of the Texas state giv't.
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fistful, he was referring to Scout's posts.
Nah, he was talking to me.
not that anything he says is actually clear since he communicates in half sentences
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And the howls form the progressives were heartwarming. Almost as sweet as the howls when Perry did not expand Medicaid . He & his folks did the math. IN 10 years, when the fedgov subsidy stopped, the Medicare program would have been larger than the entire budget of the Texas state giv't.
damn that pesky math
we have terry mac here wanna be a lil obama use executive action to expand medicaid :facepalm: :facepalm: [barf]
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^^^ So much better instead to have the people who need care just go to the ER instead and have the hospital incur the bad debt.
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Wanna try again? Who set the standards. Holler if you need help
The National Governors Association. (Which should be spending their time flipping off the fed.gov not knuckling under.)
For the record, the National Governors Association is a Washington-based group staffed by Washington government do-gooder types. Purpose is to get States and FedGov working hand-in-hand.
It's wildly illegal for FedGov to set a national school curriculum directly. No matter. Let shills like the NGA do it. Same result in the end.
Here's the stated purpose of Common Core, right off their website:Building on the excellent foundation of standards states have laid, the Common Core State Standards are the first step in providing our young people with a high-quality education. It should be clear to every student, parent, and teacher what the standards of success are in every school.
Teachers, parents and community leaders have all weighed in to help create the Common Core State Standards. The standards clearly communicate what is expected of students at each grade level. This will allow our teachers to be better equipped to know exactly what they need to help students learn and establish individualized benchmarks for them. The Common Core State Standards focus on core conceptual understandings and procedures starting in the early grades, thus enabling teachers to take the time needed to teach core concepts and procedures well—and to give students the opportunity to master them.
With students, parents and teachers all on the same page and working together for shared goals, we can ensure that students make progress each year and graduate from school prepared to succeed in college and in a modern workforce.
Can someone 'splain to me why local schools need any help at all from Washington to accomplish these goals?
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cause they are and have been failing at it? and they want more bucks from uncle sugar
"Founded in 1908, the National Governors Association (NGA) is the collective voice of the nation’s governors and one of Washington, D.C.'s most respected public policy organizations. Its members are the governors of the 55 states, territories and commonwealths. NGA provides governors and their senior staff members with services that range from representing states on Capitol Hill and before the Administration on key federal issues to developing and implementing innovative solutions to public policy challenges through the NGA Center for Best Practices. NGA also provides management and technical assistance to both new and incumbent governors. "
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what have you read about how it actually works?
You're the expert. Why don't you explain it?
Explain how thousands of very different communities, and millions of families with different viewpoints, can be in control of their children's education, when every school teaches to a national standard?
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^^^ So much better instead to have the people who need care just go to the ER instead and have the hospital incur the bad debt.
Can you point to indications that the use of ER goes down once individuals have government healthcare?
(Hint: you're going to find it's the opposite.)
So, let's instead have the government incur EVEN MORE debt than before.
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Can you point to indications that the use of ER goes down once individuals have government healthcare?
(Hint: you're going to find it's the opposite.)
So, let's instead have the government incur EVEN MORE debt than before.
You are missing my point: ER use does go up, but at least the hospitals get paid something for it. As opposed to the continuous influx of ER patients with no coverage whatsoever, and the hospital incurs the financial liability of providing care and not getting paid for it. So let's shift the costs from government to hospitals, and we can all stand around and scratch our heads when the hospitals go out of business or close the ER.
PS: An interesting story on our local news last night illustrating this very point: http://www.king5.com/news/local/Auditor-Hospital-may-be-too-financially-sick-to-survive-244075621.html
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I'm not so sure that bankrupting the government is any better than bankrupting hospitals.
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I'm not so sure that bankrupting the government is any better than bankrupting hospitals.
Whatever. The government CAN'T go bankrupt. They can print money!
(Yes, that is the response I get from some liberals.)
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And again I ask who sets those standards? A hint
It wasn't washington. Your thought that it was typifies the beliefs of many. Its understandable since thats what the you tube voices preach
Are we still discussing Common Core? If so, you're wrong. While the development of Common Core is promoted as having been done by a consensus of the states, the fact is that it was primarily developed in and handed down by Washington, and the states basically saluted and genuflected.
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Are we still discussing Common Core? If so, you're wrong. While the development of Common Core is promoted as having been done by a consensus of the states, the fact is that it was primarily developed in and handed down by Washington, and the states basically saluted and genuflected.
you are mistaken
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/process
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you are mistaken
http://www.corestandards.org/resources/process
Oh, well that proves it. :rofl:
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Oh, well that proves it. :rofl:
our common core expert weighs in?
i was involved in the parent participation part along with some others i know.that reality failing to jibe with the fantasies is a heavy burden.
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our common core expert weighs in?
i was involved in the parent participation part along with some others i know.that reality failing to jibe with the fantasies is a heavy burden.
You realize that doesn't disprove what Hawkmoon said?
And you realize that you're the one claiming to be an expert?
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http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140209/NEWS03/140209095/Gorge-concerts-costing-local-hospital-thousands
Another rural hospital in financial trouble because white people don't have insurance and won't pay their bills.
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http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20140209/NEWS03/140209095/Gorge-concerts-costing-local-hospital-thousands
Another rural hospital in financial trouble because white people don't have insurance and won't pay their bills.
It's been an issue since the unfunded mandate was passed that refused to let ER's turn away patients or hospitals dump patients. AFAIK, they're allowed to use it as a tax writeoff, but I suspect it can become uneconomical in a hurry.
A better solution than Obamacare would have been mandatory catastrophic insurance. It would limit a hospital's loss to $10k or whatnot per.
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Aren't you in texas? Texas opted not to participate.
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Nah, I be in Californiastan.
Sawdust
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Nah, I be in Californiastan.
Sawdust
sorry but there is some pretty country out that way away from the cities