Post by: grampster on May 07, 2008, 04:50:44 AM
(I can still dream, can't I?)
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 07, 2008, 04:56:21 AM
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 07, 2008, 04:58:33 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 07, 2008, 05:21:40 AM
I told you people months ago this would happen. 'The Great GOP Trainwreck of 2008'.
heh.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 07, 2008, 05:48:36 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 07, 2008, 06:48:53 AM
Yeah. Right.
Post by: charby on May 07, 2008, 06:56:52 AM
Not a chance. They'd rather go down in smoke and flames like they did with Dole. But they're starting to understand that http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10138.html
I told you people months ago this would happen. 'The Great GOP Trainwreck of 2008'.
heh.
I told you people months ago this would happen. 'The Great GOP Trainwreck of 2008'.
heh.
So your a closent Obama supporter? Are you so deep in the closet that you can see Christmas Presents?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 07, 2008, 07:24:49 AM
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So your a closent Obama supporter? Are you so deep in the closet that you can see Christmas Presents?
Whatever that means, Charby. I support 'none of the above' and will not vote accordingly. I'm sayin' Republicans have pissed off most of their constituency, and it's likely they'll get their ass handed to them in November.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 07, 2008, 07:43:31 AM
According to some of Ron Paul's erstwhile supporters, they're expecting his supporters to hijack the convention in the way that Lincoln's supporters hijacked the convention in 1860.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah. Right.
In Wookiee costumes.
Post by: K Frame on May 07, 2008, 07:45:26 AM
According to some of Ron Paul's erstwhile supporters, they're expecting his supporters to hijack the convention in the way that Lincoln's supporters hijacked the convention in 1860.
Yeah. Right.
Yeah. Right.
In Wookiee costumes.
OK, if they did that, I'd vote for the son of a bitch!
Post by: HankB on May 07, 2008, 07:57:24 AM
'The Great GOP Trainwreck of 2008'.
As Alan Greenspan said about how the GOP fared in the last election " . . . they DESERVED to lose . . . " for spending money like drunken sailors in a bordello after 2 years at sea. To which I would add infusing the war in Iraq with a healthy amount of political correctness, failing to secure the border, creating the overfunded Department of Homeland
And too many of them STILL DON'T GET IT - behaving like Democrat Lite still isn't going to stand them in good stead this year.
They earn the nickname "The Stupid Party" every day . . .
Post by: seeker_two on May 07, 2008, 07:58:08 AM
I just wonder how many delegates abstain or change their votes at the last minute. And I wonder how McCain expects to win without the support of the majority of his base.
One thing I do count on....he won't have the class to step aside in order to keep the party together....even if it's another 40 years before the GOP holds a majority.....
Post by: WeedWhacker on May 07, 2008, 08:24:02 AM
According to some of Ron Paul's erstwhile supporters, they're expecting his supporters to hijack the convention in the way that Lincoln's supporters hijacked the convention in 1860.
Expecting, no. Doing the only viable thing left to attempt to work within the system, yes.
In the Nevada state GOP convention, a majority of the duly-elected delegates were there in support of the principles Ron Paul has repeatedly voiced support for, and thus in support of the good doctor, himself.
The 31 nominees for the national convention were initially chosen by a three-member committee, which a supermajority of the elected delegates felt was not the proper way to go about selecting national nominees. A change to the applicable rules was proposed, discussed, and passed via vote, all in accordance with party rules.
Later, the first round of delegate elections were held: nominees in support of Paul won either six or seven out of nine spots in the first round - the second round was never held as the chairman, Bob Beers, indefinitely recessed the convention without a vote for the recess in direct violation of Robert's Rules of Order which the convention was operating under. The excuse was that the lease on the room was up - folks immediately started waving cash in the air, though it turned out that the Peppermill's management was immediately agreeable to extending the time until 8pm, no problem, no extra charge. Therefore, Bob Beers personally wasted $600 of my cash, three days of my time, and my remaining trust in the established Nevada Republican party, all because either he or the folks he is beholden to didn't like the way a vote was going. Multiply that by 1347, the number of elected delegates attending, and tell me that isn't a problem. Nice guy.
I was at the convention as an elected delegate, so I can truthfully say that the news stories given out by the NV press are very biased against Ron Paul and his supporters.
http://www.lvrj.com/news/18312799.html
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080427/NEWS/804270360
Post by: K Frame on May 07, 2008, 08:41:33 AM
There are more than just a few Paul supporters who fully expect this maneuver to work flawlessly and result in an ascendent Candidate Paul.
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 07, 2008, 08:49:39 AM
You really need to read a few of the blogs that are out there, WeedWhacker.
There are more than just a few Paul supporters who fully expect this maneuver to work flawlessly and result in an ascendent Candidate Paul.
There are more than just a few Paul supporters who fully expect this maneuver to work flawlessly and result in an ascendent Candidate Paul.
Mike, this is a phenomenon that's common with people who work for 'dark horse' (read 'not a chance') parties and candidates.
When I volunteered for Ale-Yarok, they kept circulating rumors about 'polls done by a company in france' that said we're going to cross the electoral barrier.
There's always someone with such a rumor.
That said, had I been an American Citizen, I would have voted for RP.
Post by: K Frame on May 07, 2008, 08:56:02 AM
Gee, you don't say...
I know that.
It's called grasping at straws.
Yes, it worked once for Abe Lincoln. But the concept that it might work again is laughable for MANY reasons, most of which simply escape these people.
Post by: WeedWhacker on May 07, 2008, 09:21:02 AM
You really need to read a few of the blogs that are out there, WeedWhacker.
There are more than just a few Paul supporters who fully expect this maneuver to work flawlessly and result in an ascendent Candidate Paul.
There are more than just a few Paul supporters who fully expect this maneuver to work flawlessly and result in an ascendent Candidate Paul.
I do believe there to be a chance of the national GOP delegates nominating someone other than the total traitor to the Constitution that McCain is, which is why I'm continuing to go along with this process. I can only imagine that, in Nevada at least, a sizable portion of the 1347 state delegates feel the same way as I do.
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 07, 2008, 09:38:36 AM
Post by: charby on May 07, 2008, 12:03:03 PM
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So your a closent Obama supporter? Are you so deep in the closet that you can see Christmas Presents?
Whatever that means, Charby. I support 'none of the above' and will not vote accordingly. I'm sayin' Republicans have pissed off most of their constituency, and it's likely they'll get their ass handed to them in November.
I think a lot of them like the last election are going to hold their noses and vote R. I would very much like to vote none of the above but shitty Republican is far better in office than Hillary or Obama.
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 07, 2008, 12:54:02 PM
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I told you people months ago this would happen. 'The Great GOP Trainwreck of 2008'.
Anyone out there who DIDN'T know this would happen, a long time ago?
Why is Paddy claiming credit for something everyone, everywhere has been saying for months?
Post by: WeedWhacker on May 07, 2008, 01:56:54 PM
keyword "IMAGINE"
Think what you like. Of the elected delegates that attempted to form a quorum to continue the convention business after Bob Beers broke the rules and made off with his ball to go home, we were only about 90 short. That is, support for Ron Paul among the duly elected delegates at the Nevada GOP state convention was running somewhere around at least 60%. I am far from being a lone, isolated individual who is alone in his hope and beliefs.
It was far, far from the McCain-fest the establishment obviously wanted.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 07, 2008, 03:02:41 PM
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Why is Paddy claiming credit for something everyone, everywhere has been saying for months?
Of course, we grassroots peasants have known it for a long time. The news is that's it's just trickling up to the top or however it gets there. Now the leadership is realizing there may be several million of us formerly loyal serfs who won't be there for them this November.
Post by: Finch on May 07, 2008, 05:05:35 PM
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Why is Paddy claiming credit for something everyone, everywhere has been saying for months?
Of course, we grassroots peasants have known it for a long time. The news is that's it's just trickling up to the top or however it gets there. Now the leadership is realizing there may be several million of us formerly loyal serfs who won't be there for them this November.
That's a shame. You fail to realize that it is not about principles, it is about the party. You must be loyal to your party no matter how far it stays from your beliefs, or even the beliefs that this country was founded upon. The only goal it to beat the Dems, never mind that fact that McCain would be just as bad, if not worse for this country. What the party wants, the party gets.
Post by: K Frame on May 08, 2008, 06:06:12 AM
But, I'd say that the chances of Ron Paul being nominated are roughly equal to my chances of being named the first Methodist pope of the Catholic Church.
Post by: seeker_two on May 08, 2008, 06:38:06 AM
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 08, 2008, 07:03:48 AM
But, I'd say that the chances of Ron Paul being nominated are roughly equal to my chances of being named the first Methodist pope of the Catholic Church.
So? We already know that. What's your point?
I am not quite certain how the process in Nevada works, but it seems to me that Weedwhacker is among the happy few whose voice still sort of counts in this situation (not MUCH, but it counts).
So, either
1. McCain is going to be nominated, no matter what. In which case it doesn't matter what candidate Weedwhacker votes for, and he should vote for the one he most supports.
or
2. There is a chance, no matter how remote, WW's candidate could still somehow win. Clearly WW should try his best to get the guy he likes, in.
Post by: oldfart on May 08, 2008, 07:36:18 AM
Post by: K Frame on May 08, 2008, 08:02:18 AM
Is your name WeedWhacker?
No?
Then I wasn't addressing you.
But, as I noted below, there seems to be a rather vocal group of individuals who are just so sure that some white knight named Ron Paul is going to be swept into the nomination by shenanigans similar to those used by Abraham Lincoln's supporters in 1860.
PAY ATTENTION.
Post by: charby on May 08, 2008, 08:08:48 AM
Pope Irwinius the First has a nice ring to it.....
I'm still not going to take any of his Papal bull
Post by: grampster on May 08, 2008, 08:13:53 AM
Post by: jrfoxx on May 08, 2008, 02:15:29 PM
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Do your think that there is any chance that during the Republican Convention the delegates would throw McCain to the curb and we'd see a grass roots surge to nominate another candidate?
Hey man, quit bogarting! I want a few hits of what you got there....
It is nice to dream of though.Any chance of scientists resurrecting Reagan just in time for the convention?
Post by: WeedWhacker on May 08, 2008, 03:05:13 PM
"So? We already know that. What's your point?"
Is your name WeedWhacker?
No?
Then I wasn't addressing you.
Is your name WeedWhacker?
No?
Then I wasn't addressing you.
No need to be petty. I thought the answer as given by MicroBalrog was obvious, hence my possible reply being considered redundant.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 08, 2008, 08:08:28 PM
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Any chance of scientists resurrecting Reagan just in time for the convention?
Hey a Reagan/Heston ticket.