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We Don't Have To Take $4 Gas Prices  We Can Drill
« on: June 08, 2008, 08:40:57 AM »
http://eteam.ncpa.org/commentaries/we-dont-have-to-take-4-gas-prices-we-can-drill
Some good information about what we are not doing in domestic oil production.

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By H. STERLING BURNETT
Originally Published in: Houston Chronicle

Shock and awe - we are living it! We stand, mouth agape, staring at the pump at $4 gallons and fast-emptying pocketbooks. Even worse, with crude oil already costing more than $120 a barrel, many predict that this wave has yet to crest.

And while we wait for the price to peak, spending shrinks and the economic outlook worsens. Our energy policies have failed us, and now, we pay the price, literally.

In response, politicians are calling for windfall profits taxes and temporary gas tax holidays. Once again, we're forced to stomach politically motivated, short-term nonanswers instead of long-term solutions.

Here's a thought: Rather than vilifying the oil industry for our sticker shock, let's take a hard look at the actions of our federal government.

For years, we've approached domestic drilling in a politically correct manner, placing caribou on a pedestal while ignoring American consumers and national security. Politicians made a choice to outsource and import, instead of expand and drill. As a result, we fill the coffers of foreign nations instead of boosting American gross domestic product.

In a recent press conference, President Bush suggested drilling in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. He might be on to something. Despite the hysterical claims made by environmental lobbyists, oil and the environment can mix. Caribou and other wildlife have expanded and flourished in and around Prudhoe Bay, apparently unaffected by the relatively primitive oil and gas development in the area. And technology in the oil industry has improved mightily in the years since the Arctic slope was first tapped.

Indeed, two leading environmental groups, the Audubon Society and the Nature Conservancy, have allowed oil and gas production on several of their most important and unique nature preserves.

Unfortunately, the Congress also has banned energy exploration in 85 percent of our coastal waters. As a result, while Cuba, in partnership with China, drills closer to the U.S. coastline than we do, the United States goes hat in hand to Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, Canada, Nigeria, Mexico and even Iran. Our lawmakers' decision to block domestic access harms both the public and the environment.

Since 1991, oil tankers have spilled three times more oil than offshore platforms. Furthermore, when tankers leak, they tend to do so near shore, resulting in more severe environmental damage. Thus, because platforms are less prone to spills than tankers, increasing the amount of oil produced off America's coast could be environmentally beneficial.

It is estimated that beneath America's coast lies enough oil to fuel 60 million cars in the United States for 60 years - and enough natural gas to heat 60 million homes for 160 years.

Our nation and the world will need significant amounts of oil and natural gas well into the future. According to the U.S. Energy Information Administration, the United States alone will need 19 percent more energy in 2030. Globally, that number jumps to 55 percent.

While renewables and alternatives are a part of tomorrow's energy mix, they cannot represent the entire answer. In the year 2030, those "fuels of the future" will only comprise 9 percent of consumer demand. More than 60 percent of demand will continue to be fulfilled by oil and natural gas. We must take those numbers to heart and remove barriers to domestic drilling.

In China, more than a billion people are beginning to taste unparalleled economic success. Each year, increasing numbers of Chinese demand cars, air conditioning, televisions, refrigerators, personal computers and other electronics. Each of these benefits of progress will require more, not less, energy. And the same story echoes around the globe as economies liberalize and material progress becomes more widespread and the race for energy gets fiercer!

While pundits speculate that America will stay ahead of the curve, thousands of unemployed American workers tell a different story - we are already falling behind the eight ball, and political roadblocks to domestic energy development are partly to blame.

Here's a shocking fact: The world's largest private oil producer, Exxon, ranks just 16th in the world. Government-controlled oil fields in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Venezuela, Russia, Mexico and Libya contain more fuel than America's largest oil producer owns.

Yet, if allowed access to American oil reserves in Alaska and off the coast, American oil companies could increase the country's reserves an estimated fivefold, taking the United States from 11th place to fourth among the countries with proven reserves.

The United States is losing the energy race, not because we are being beaten, but because we don't allow domestic companies to compete. For our nation's security, for our consumers' well-being and for our workers' continued economic progress, it's time for Congress to let American companies get in the game. Let the drilling begin.

Burnett is a Senior Fellow with the National Center for Policy Analysis, a nonpartisan, nonprofit research institute based in Dallas. Of the $8.47 million in contributions received last year by the NCPA, $75,000 came from energy related companies.
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Re: We Don't Have To Take $4 Gas Prices  We Can Drill
« Reply #1 on: June 08, 2008, 08:53:14 AM »
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/WalterEWilliams/2008/06/04/dumb_or_ill-informed

I caught that link from this Walter Williams column.
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Environmentalists come to their senses when non-drilling philosophy costs them something. It's two-faced hypocrisy. At times I've suggested that the best way to get oil exploration in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve is to give the land to environmentalists. You can bet they wouldn't sit on billions of dollars of oil and gas.
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« Reply #2 on: June 08, 2008, 10:30:13 AM »
We don't have to worry about harming the caribou - they were all killed off by the Alaska Pipeline back in the 1970s.

Or at least they were supposed to be ....  rolleyes
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2008, 10:32:39 AM »
Economic hard times are good for representatives of the Democratic (sic) party.
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« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2008, 10:36:27 AM »
We don't even have to drill. There's an enormous pool that will flow under artesian pressure at Gull Island with a wellhead that was capped in the 1970s.

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« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2008, 10:41:15 AM »
But drilling for oil is so boring  sad
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Re: We Don't Have To Take $4 Gas Prices  We Can Drill
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2008, 12:33:17 PM »
I have a sneaking suspicion that we wouldn't even have to actually do any drilling. Just make it clear that we definitely are going to and I'll bet the bottom drops out of the market.

At the same time there IS drilling going on in established fields. I'm constantly getting stuck behind rigs and their 20 vehicle support column moving at 45mph on two lane roads (grrrrrr). I also noticed that about every pump I can see from the roads has been refurbished and is pumping. It wasn't like that in the late Nineties. You also can't swing a cat without hitting a crude-gathering truck now.

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2008, 02:53:36 PM »
I have a sneaking suspicion that we wouldn't even have to actually do any drilling. Just make it clear that we definitely are going to and I'll bet the bottom drops out of the market.
Yep. The cost of oil is going up because speculators are bidding it up, on the bet that with a Democrat congress there will be NO drilling in ANWR, NO new U.S. drilling in the Gulf or off either coast, NO development of shale fields, NO new nuke plants, NO coal gasification . . . NO . . . . NO . . . NO to 'most everything that might help reduce the US's dependence on foreign energy.  angry
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« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2008, 04:35:43 PM »
Drill, baby, drill.

Drill like there ain't no friggin' tomorrow.

The SUVs (now called FSPs around these parts, for Fuel Sucking Pigs) need every drop, and right now...
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« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2008, 04:38:34 PM »
It's not the drilling that's needed so much as to see cracking towers appear everywhere.

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« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2008, 04:41:11 PM »
The first new refinery in over thirty years was just approved in South Dakota.  The folks in the county voted last week to allow its construction.
The enviros are getting spun up to stop it in court.  Any bets on whether they succeed?
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2008, 04:42:42 PM »
The first new refinery in over thirty years was just approved in South Dakota.  The folks in the county voted last week to allow its construction.
The enviros are getting spun up to stop it in court.  Any bets on whether they succeed?

They don't need to stop it. They just need to file greenie and Soros-funded lawsuit after lawsuit until the mounting legal costs cause the oil companies to give up because they're sick of paying legal bills. undecided

(Just watch, they'll find some obscure owl that might or might not exist, and use it as a basis.)

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2008, 04:48:39 PM »
The first new refinery in over thirty years was just approved in South Dakota.  The folks in the county voted last week to allow its construction.
The enviros are getting spun up to stop it in court.  Any bets on whether they succeed?

They don't need to stop it. They just need to file greenie and Soros-funded lawsuit after lawsuit until the mounting legal costs cause the oil companies to give up because they're sick of paying legal bills. undecided

(Just watch, they'll find some obscure owl that might or might not exist, and use it as a basis.)

It's ND..  it will be some obscure species of field mouse or grass.

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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2008, 04:49:19 PM »
The first new refinery in over thirty years was just approved in South Dakota.  The folks in the county voted last week to allow its construction.
The enviros are getting spun up to stop it in court.  Any bets on whether they succeed?

They don't need to stop it. They just need to file greenie and Soros-funded lawsuit after lawsuit until the mounting legal costs cause the oil companies to give up because they're sick of paying legal bills. undecided

(Just watch, they'll find some obscure owl that might or might not exist, and use it as a basis.)

And at some point Americans are going to tell the green weenies and their statist judges to bite off and go ahead and do what needs to be done.
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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2008, 05:07:08 PM »
It's ND..  it will be some obscure species of field mouse or grass.

Interesting...Google turned up a story that said SD.  Stupid reporters.
Agreement on the field mouse or grass.  Or insect, or flower, or bacteria...
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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2008, 05:11:23 PM »
Why not ask the environmentalist lobbying groups to subsidize gasoline so that 93 octane costs $2.00 at the pump and we won't do more drilling or more refineries?  That sounds fair to me.

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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2008, 05:40:10 PM »
As Walter Williams said, give all that land in Alaska to the greenies.  They will be the first to allow drilling.  They aren't so stupid as to give up all that cash no matter what their ideals are.

I realize there is a refinery problem, but we have to start somewhere.  Get the drilling/exploration/crude production going.  When all the refineries are running at max output and we still have high prices, then we can talk about more plants.  It was in the news that most refineries were running at reduced rates the last few months for fear of overtaking the reduced demand. 


My company is an industrial gas company that has a lot of refinery customers.  Trust me, there is a whole lot of expansion and new unit construction going on all up and down the West Coast and Gulf Coast.  I am not sure how much is for more output and how much is for environmental regulations, but there is a lot of activity. 
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2008, 05:41:40 PM »
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Why not ask the environmentalist lobbying groups to subsidize gasoline

That makes perfect sense, since the countries doing that are either commie or socialist, and the enviro-nazis here are either commies or socialist. Why aren't our domestically grown watermelons jumping on this bandwagon???
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2008, 05:43:20 PM »
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Why not ask the environmentalist lobbying groups to subsidize gasoline

That makes perfect sense, since the countries doing that are either commie or socialist, and the enviro-nazis here are either commies or socialist. Why aren't our domestically grown watermelons jumping on this bandwagon???

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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2008, 06:24:19 PM »
My attorney's ultra liberal wife asked me the other day if I didn't think that I should give up my social security benefit because I had made a good living and have a pension and investments.  She said The Poor tm would benefit.  I said then she should donate her half of her attorney husbands pay to the poor.  She changed the subject.
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« Reply #20 on: June 09, 2008, 03:31:49 AM »
The SUVs (now called FSPs around these parts, for Fuel Sucking Pigs)...
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« Reply #21 on: June 09, 2008, 04:29:01 AM »
It's ND..  it will be some obscure species of field mouse or grass.

I also heard that it was to be placed on an Indian reservation, which kind of short circuits many of the ways the greenies might be able to sue.

Of course, this isn't stopping them:  New Refinery Threatens Native Lands

Gotta love how the cleanest refinery yet proposed is threatening...  Not to mention the creation of non-casino jobs and such.

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« Reply #22 on: June 09, 2008, 05:10:54 AM »
Of course the record high oil prices are entirely the fault of green/socialist/statist activists, and are not driven by anything like underegulated capitalist market speculation, right?

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« Reply #23 on: June 09, 2008, 05:15:53 AM »
The place where the proposed refinery is going is across the river from Sioux City, Iowa. Sioux City has pretty much been on a economic downturn since the 80's farm crisis and Ag processing consolidation that that occurred afterwards.

This plant is figuring once it is operational it will have 2000+ people on the workforce making $20 or more per hour. This will be such an influx to the area, it will be like the 50-70's again with incomes that people can live on. Those 2000+ jobs will spur job growth in all areas.

I got into a pissing match with a greenie about the refinery and I basically asked them, so what options do you have for incomes for the area. They didn't have an answer and I also told them to get rid of their vehicles so I can have their gas rations when gas starts getting rationed. Smiley

It is going to be a boom time for the Sioux City area.

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« Reply #24 on: June 09, 2008, 07:04:02 AM »
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My attorney's ultra liberal wife asked me the other day if I didn't think that I should give up my social security benefit because I had made a good living and have a pension and investments.

Social Security benefits?  Why you selfish, unproductive old geezer.  Maybe you could explain why the rest of us should bust our humps to support your sorry old ass.  All you old people do is clog up everything everywhere you go.  You're slow, always in the way, and generally a PITA.















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