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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: cassandra and sara's daddy on August 31, 2011, 03:26:57 PM
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http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2011/08/30/cops-confiscate-lakewood-ladys-arsenal-motive-pending
cops seize ladys guns? no reason? wtf? is lakewood one of "those" hoods?
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Wow.
No apparent warrant. Employee of the condo opened the door for them. Took stuff that's legal and refuse to give it back. I can only imagine how spitting mad she must be.
Why are there not criminal charges for this?
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:mad:
So, the police won't react without judicial orders, but they won't discuss the case because of pending legal action. If you've got a case, get an indictment, don't hide behind a procedural smokescreen. Rank hypocrisy and cowardice.
:mad:
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I've seen this case discussed on other boards.
Lots of missing info, namely the reason/cause of the initial contact.
Not knowing that initial and somewhat important detail, it seems like another all-too-familiar case of cops eyes bugging out at the proverbial "wall-o-guns" and thinking "this can't all be legal", and the rodeo starts from there.
Most of us here have a more than adequate collection to set off the similar media/LEO response, unless we're blessed with living in an area that's sufficiently "red state" that they don't have this mentality.
All the more reason to have a safe for the guns, and secure as possible storage for ammo and magazines too. It's not just burglars, and mischievous kids you have to worry about.
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I've seen this case discussed on other boards.
Lots of missing info, namely the reason/cause of the initial contact.
Are you saying that there is lots of missing info in general, or are you saying that this particular article is missing lots of info, which you have learned from other boards?
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I was curious about this quote:
Her cache somehow caught the attention of Lakewood Police
But even still, IMO the PD doesn't get to steal stuff until their sure it's illegal. I can see staying there until the rookie runs back to the shop and looks up the applicable laws, but they need to be sure before they leave with my crap. Otherwise it's armed robbery.
Qualified immunity pisses me off.
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I'm sure she'll get them all back eventually- rusted and broken.
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the PD doesn't get to steal stuff until their sure it's illegal
Apparently they do in Ohio ;/
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whats got me real interested is the absence of bombast and nonsense from this lady. shes got a landshark and they seem to be on very strong ground. and it seems everyone knows it. who ever let the cops in better have a very good explanation. the only thing i can imagine remotely flying is if she had threatened to off herself and family had called the cops. and thats real marginal.
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I'm sure cassandraandsarasdaddy will tell us why the cops were in the right. Where is he?
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whats got me real interested is the absence of bombast and nonsense from this lady. shes got a landshark and they seem to be on very strong ground. and it seems everyone knows it. who ever let the cops in better have a very good explanation. the only thing i can imagine remotely flying is if she had threatened to off herself and family had called the cops. and thats real marginal.
Who are you, and what did you do with cassandra and sara's daddy?
=D
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real malfeasance has always offended me. much of whats presented as such on you tube? its not and it doesn't
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Are you saying that there is lots of missing info in general, or are you saying that this particular article is missing lots of info, which you have learned from other boards?
Lots of missing context and info in this article, and it's the same one the other boards are working from too.
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I would have been out of the condo also and told them why. There is probably a breech of contract from them that would get her some $.
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I wonder if she has insurance? File a theft claim and let the hilarity ensue.
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If she rents, I'm sure there's an entry clause in the lease. Probably something similar in the the condo assn. rules if she owns. I do like bob's idea tremendously. Let the Chief tell an insurance investigator to piss off.
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Lots of missing context and info in this article, and it's the same one the other boards are working from too.
Yeah, my outrage meter is not going off yet because there is not enough info. If this article is accurate and there are not other important mitigating bits of info we are not aware of then it is definitely a big deal.
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http://www.lovelakewood.com/pdf/law/110817_guns.pdf
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Say what else you will, the lady's collection is diverse and interesting.
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http://www.lovelakewood.com/pdf/law/110817_guns.pdf
According to that, action should have been taken one way or another by now, anyone know if she got her stuff back?
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Asked on one of the other boards... "What the hell is an 'SKS M21 Sniper Rifle'?" :laugh:
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http://www.lovelakewood.com/pdf/law/110817_guns.pdf
I reposted this on another forum, and one of the members there noted that on page 6, the items were seized on September 25th 2011.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
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"What the hell is an 'SKS M21 Sniper Rifle'?"
This whole thing is getting wierder and wierder.
Its almost starting to sound like some 'alternative' news source is trying to punk the gun community.
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http://www.lovelakewood.com/pdf/law/110817_guns.pdf
I reposted this on another forum, and one of the members there noted that on page 6, the items were seized on September 25th 2011.
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
LOL...
My gut feeling now is that the police entered for some spurious or only mildly inimical reason, such as a welfare check or something on the behest of a relative, or even some kind of mistake, saw the wall-o-guns, freaked, and took them.
Now, no matter what reasoning they may or may not have, they're afraid to release them, pending a judges order as a CYA move. They want the cover of a judicial order for fear she'll later be involved in some kind of harmful act, whether such fear is substantiated, or legally relevant or not.
Essentially, the PD is a bunch of pansies that's quaking in their 5.11's at the prospect the plaintiff might commit suicide, or shoot someone else at some future date, and does not feel a simple statement to the media that "We returned the firearms because we had no legal cause of action to have kept them." would suffice.
M21 SKS Sniper Rifle... "M21" was a designation for some Norinco export SKS's that came in around the late 80's and early 90's before the Clinton E.O.'s put a stop to them. I think they had no Chinese military arsenal markings etc.
The "Sniper" part probably just refers to being Tapco-F***** and having a scope and bi-pod on it. :laugh:
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Chris is in Ohio and a Magistrate, maybe he can shed some light.
Paging Chris to the white courtesy phone.
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After looking at the list of items it looks like she had a gemtech .22lr supressor and the Thompson might have been NFA regulated as well. If it turns out that the PD illegaly seized the weapons they should get gigged with NFA violations as well. After all, if you or I had done the same we'd be liable for many years in Club Fed.
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If it turns out that the PD illegaly seized the weapons they should get gigged with NFA violations as well. After all, if you or I had done the same we'd be liable for many years in Club Fed
Should in a just world at least, but won't.
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M21 SKS Sniper Rifle... "M21" was a designation for some Norinco export SKS's that came in around the late 80's and early 90's before the Clinton E.O.'s put a stop to them. I think they had no Chinese military arsenal markings etc.
M21 is also the designation for an M-14-based sniper rifle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M21_Sniper_Weapon_System).
Springfield armory sells clones (http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=20) based on their M1A.
So it could also be that she had an SKS and one of the SA clones, and they "combined" the two.
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Asked on one of the other boards... "What the hell is an 'SKS M21 Sniper Rifle'?" :laugh:
Actually I was going to ask that. All the SKS's I've ever shot (or seen) were about as accurate as an AK-47 (or variant).
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After looking at the list of items it looks like she had a gemtech .22lr supressor and the Thompson might have been NFA regulated as well. If it turns out that the PD illegaly seized the weapons they should get gigged with NFA violations as well. After all, if you or I had done the same we'd be liable for many years in Club Fed.
Only the Gemtech is a NFA item and that just requires a stamp. Everything else is semi-auto. From what I've seen and heard other places, Lakewood is a suburb of Cleveland and somewhat "Upscale". However the city and the PD are very anti-2A. Given the court papers, looks like the lady inn question has said court order, so I'm wondering if she got her guns back.
This could be a interesting case, not so much about the 2A but about 4A. Could be a serious Civil Rights violation....
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Only the Gemtech is a NFA item and that just requires a stamp. Everything else is semi-auto. From what I've seen and heard other places, Lakewood is a suburb of Cleveland and somewhat "Upscale". However the city and the PD are very anti-2A
Hmmm. I wonder if she tried getting a CLEO sign off on her paperwork and they said "no," so she went the Corporation/trust route to NFA happiness and the police took that as an affront or at at least made her a person of interest because she asked?