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Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« on: January 11, 2012, 01:02:14 PM »
What exactly is his record with regard to Gun Control in MA?  Since he won both Iowa and NH primaries on the Republican side, this issue needs to be brought up.  He claims that he supports the 2nd Amendment.

How much was he involved in the MA Foid card requirement?  So called "assault weapons" requirements?  

Newt Gingrich said something to the effect that Romney was behind a $100 per gun ownership fee in MA.  Is this true or is the amount incorrect?  I believe the FOID card is $50.  Is there an annual fee?

Has he ever worked to reduce gun laws in MA as govenor?
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2012, 01:09:52 PM »
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2012, 01:54:18 PM »
Wow! He is absolutely, positively, a complete chameleon on everything.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2012, 02:04:45 PM »
Wow! He is absolutely, positively, a complete chameleon on everything.

Well maybe he talked to Kerry too many times.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2012, 02:48:40 PM »
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A bill he signed in 2004 enacted a permanent ban on assault weapons -- reportedly the first such state law in the country. "These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense," the Globe quoted Romney as saying. "They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people."

Well, there you go ...  =(
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2012, 03:26:10 PM »
I think Mitt Romney is purposely not saying anything substantive about his positions on gun control during the campaign so far.  Yes, it is one of his weaknesses and a negative for many Americans.  I don't want to have to hold my nose when I vote again for president.

He says he wants to enforce the laws that are on the books.  That is not good enough for me.  That is a standard evasive politican statement.  Would he support a national FOID card?  Would he support a national registry?  Would he support charging firearm owners an annual fee to own a firearm to pay for a registry?  Does he support a national waiting period when he knows it has little effect on crime?

Does he feel it is a state's issue?  He has already said he supported MA gun laws which are some of the toughest in the country.  What does he really believe?  Would he support new legislation that is more restrctive relative to gun control?  Or is he the gutless politician that changes his views to fit a campaign and essentially has no core values? 

Does he just want to WIN?  That pretty much sums up our President also. I have so many questions and few answers.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2012, 03:48:55 PM »
I have so many questions and few answers.   That pretty much sums up our President also.

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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2012, 03:55:26 PM »
I don't want to have to hold my nose again when I vote again for president.

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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2012, 04:06:52 PM »
I think Mitt Romney is purposely not saying anything substantive about his positions on gun control during the campaign so far.  Yes, it is one of his weaknesses and a negative for many Americans.  I don't want to have to hold my nose when I vote again for president.

He says he wants to enforce the laws that are on the books.  That is not good enough for me.  That is a standard evasive politican statement.  Would he support a national FOID card?  Would he support a national registry?  Would he support charging firearm owners an annual fee to own a firearm to pay for a registry?  Does he support a national waiting period when he knows it has little effect on crime?

Does he feel it is a state's issue?  He has already said he supported MA gun laws which are some of the toughest in the country.  What does he really believe?  Would he support new legislation that is more restrctive relative to gun control?  Or is he the gutless politician that changes his views to fit a campaign and essentially has no core values? 

Does he just want to WIN?  That pretty much sums up our President also. I have so many questions and few answers.

Meh... Bolded above is exactly it. And that means...

I'd bet my current stash in the gun-fund (roughly $900) that he'll be mostly status-quo on guns and RKBA. He'll be no worse than Bush II was. ATF gets cleaned up a bit, not dramatically, as we'd actually like to see, but the worst of it like Gunwalker goes away.  No major EO's on imports etc.

He's enough of a "finger in the wind" type that I sincerely doubt we'd see anything outrageous from him in regards to guns, and go against the largely pro-RKBA national trend that's gone on since the '94 watershed.

Seeing as even Reagan and Bush I gave us lousy SCOTUS pics, Mitt is no guarantee either, but IMO, you can guarantee that Obama would pick a bunch more "Wise Latinas" and Janet Reno/Napolitano/Kagan looking short haired... er.. things to take the bench.

The pros and cons of all this really has me on the bleeding knife-edge between holding my nose, and voting for Mitt, and then going home to cry in the shower while scrubbing till I'm raw and the hot water runs out, and an actual protest vote.

In my darker moods, I'm more pragmatic. I'm simply thinking "Who will give me and my kids more time to prepare?" and "Who will be most likely to leave me armed for when it all goes to hell?".
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2012, 04:35:31 PM »
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The pros and cons of all this really has me on the bleeding knife-edge between holding my nose, and voting for Mitt, and then going home to cry in the shower while scrubbing till I'm raw and the hot water runs out, and an actual protest vote.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2012, 04:53:32 PM »
I've heard campaign speech sound bites from Romney that go both ways depending on who he was talking to. 

At lunch, Rush was talking about a couple of OpEd pieces that seem to have suddenly realized that "Hey, can we really count on Republican voters to actually get out and vote for Romney?"  Where have they been?  [See McCain '08]
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2012, 06:25:18 PM »
I have a pair of flip-flops I wear to the pool. I think that I should name the left one Obama and the other Romney.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2012, 10:06:45 PM »
Has he ever worked to reduce gun laws in MA as govenor?

At a gun show back in 2008, when I was manning the Ron Paul booth, we took at the flyer the Romney booth had out.

He took credit for loosening some restrictions on muzzle loaders.  Wooo!

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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2012, 11:27:07 PM »
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"Hey, can we really count on Republican voters to actually get out and vote for Romney?"  Where have they been?  [See McCain '08]

He is probably going to have to depend on his vice presidental choice like McCain. 

If he wants people to get excited about his candidacy, he is going to have to support something like Herman Cain's 9-9-9 plan.  Romney is a very ho hum kind of guy politically.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2012, 11:25:15 AM »
I will go out on a limb and say Romney is NOT a flip-flopper. In fact I believe most flip-floppers are not flip-floppers. If you want to know where he stands, go to his first opinions on the subject. Everything else is just vote hunting. Certainly some people will legitimately flip-flop on an issue, but usually after some life-changing experience. In the political realm of firearms, look at Carolyn McCarthy and Suzanna Hupp (one could argue they really didn't flip-flop, just became much more focused on the pro or anti-2nd side). Romney has had no epiphany moment that I know of to make him firearms friendly.

If Romney is elected, don't think for a second that he wouldn't rush to sign renewal of the AWB, or a national waiting period on firearms purchases if either were presented to him. Especially if, God forbid, he was in a lame duck second term.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2012, 11:55:58 AM »
He's a professional politician. He is not going to take a stand where he doesn't have to. Say what people want to hear and avoid stepping in political poo, whatever it takes to get elected/re-elected.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2012, 11:56:58 AM »
.........If Romney is elected, don't think for a second that he wouldn't rush to sign renewal of the AWB, or a national waiting period on firearms purchases if either were presented to him. Especially if, God forbid, he was in a lame duck second term.


I agree.  A real question is how desirous the kongress will be for a new AWB or other antigun legislation.  A number of them still recall how the 1994 ban came back and hurt them the next voting day.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2012, 01:11:19 AM »
His being governor of Assachussetts is reason enough not to vote for him.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #18 on: January 13, 2012, 11:03:12 AM »
His being governor of Assachussetts is reason enough not to vote for him.
I understand, but what if he is the republican candidate in November?  I don't like his background with respect to firearms rights, but I am unwilling to stand by and do nothing while Obama is reelected. 
I had the same conundrum with Bush/Gore in 2000.  Shrubbie promised to re authorize the AWB. :facepalm: [barf]  But Gore was --IMHO -- so much worse overall I held my breath and voted for Shrubbie.
Sadly, I think it's going to be somewhat the same these twelve years later.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #19 on: January 13, 2012, 11:31:05 AM »
I understand, but what if he is the republican candidate in November?  I don't like his background with respect to firearms rights, but I am unwilling to stand by and do nothing while Obama is reelected. 
I had the same conundrum with Bush/Gore in 2000.  Shrubbie promised to re authorize the AWB. :facepalm: [barf]  But Gore was --IMHO -- so much worse overall I held my breath and voted for Shrubbie.
Sadly, I think it's going to be somewhat the same these twelve years later.
It has been a long time since I was able to enthusiastically support any candidate................ :'(

I did the same thing and felt the same way during Bush term two, but find I can't bring myself to do it this time. Looking at overall stances and averaging out pluses and minuses, I see nothing about Romney that is better than Obama. Choosing someone that boils the water slightly slower is no longer an option for me.

I'll be voting for Ron Paul as the Republican candidate, or as an Independent candidate, or writing him in.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2012, 12:00:30 PM »
The founding fathers were business men, leaders with a vision that formed a new government and then went back to their lives after giving service to the new country for a limited time.

Actually, no. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and many others could be described as career politicians.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2012, 12:25:18 PM »
Actually, no. Washington, Jefferson, Adams, and many others could be described as career politicians.

Ummmm... what? Washington could be described as a career politician?
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2012, 06:45:20 PM »
At a gun show back in 2008, when I was manning the Ron Paul booth, we took at the flyer the Romney booth had out.

He took credit for loosening some restrictions on muzzle loaders.  Wooo!

Was the slogan

"You musket out and vote for Romney"?

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« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2012, 07:20:25 PM »
Was the slogan

"You musket out and vote for Romney"?

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You got a lot of balls to post that  :lol:
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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2012, 08:22:28 PM »
Was the slogan

"You musket out and vote for Romney"?

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