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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2012, 10:06:22 PM »
You got a lot of balls to post that  :lol:

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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2012, 07:25:54 AM »
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2012, 07:46:19 AM »
Minnie balls.

I don't think Minnie was the one with the balls.  I believe that was Mickey.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2012, 09:46:55 AM »
I don't think Minnie was the one with the balls.  I believe that was Mickey.

Did Minnie have the powder ?
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2012, 11:00:25 AM »
I don't think Minnie was the one with the balls.  I believe that was Mickey.

Not if you've heard him speak.....remember, Goofy is the one with the big nose.... ;)
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2012, 11:02:08 AM »
And Mickey wanted a divorce from Minnie because she was F@%*ing Goofy.
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« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2012, 11:34:36 AM »
 :facepalm: Good grief.    There must be something in APS's water........................ ;/ [tinfoil]
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2012, 12:08:39 PM »
Reality: Romney is the guy who can oust Obama.  That is priority one.  After that, who Romney becomes in office, is up to US.  He's obviously not ideal on gun rights, but he can be pressured, and that must be a strong political priority for us come 2013.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #33 on: January 14, 2012, 12:13:13 PM »
Reality: Romney is the guy who can oust Obama.  That is priority one.  After that, who Romney becomes in office, is up to US.  He's obviously not ideal on gun rights, but he can be pressured, and that must be a strong political priority for us come 2013.

Well the we want to get Obama out of the White House for sure.  But the biggest key is to get a larger majority in the House and take over the Senate with a super majority with the right type of people.  Then they can force Romney, or whoever is in that spot, to come to the light.

And even if Obama were to win his second term if the Dems lose seats in both Houses things will deadlock.

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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #34 on: January 14, 2012, 01:02:16 PM »
And even if Obama were to win his second term if the Dems lose seats in both Houses things will deadlock.

You can't count on deadlock though, when you have czars. Just look at all the crap the EPA is getting done that doesn't require legislative approval.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #35 on: January 14, 2012, 01:38:18 PM »
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You can't count on deadlock though, when you have czars. Just look at all the crap the EPA is getting done that doesn't require legislative approval.
And that is precisely the problem with the political debate.  The opposition party (aka republicans) has said nothing about rollback of legislation enabling the creation of a police state.  EPA gone Wild is merely one example which Joe and Martha Sixpack recognize.  The provision in law used by EPA to label CO two a hazardous substance laid quietly in legislation for 35+ years before an amenable administration activated it. 

Obamacare is the same.  Romney said he will repeal it (what ever that means).  Meanwhile he continues to defend his creation of Obamacare's pappa.  Most disturbing to me is his fence straddling saying it was good for MA and bad for USA.  No mention of constitutional restrictions on state force.  We can defund 'til the cows come home and the framework will still lurk in the governmental weeds until a Jimmuh Carter V3.0 should surface.  This election is yet another example of how the political ratchet tightens only in one direction. 
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2012, 01:44:27 PM »
Reality: Romney is the guy who can oust Obama. 

Not if the conservatives and TEA Party voters don't vote for him, he won't.


Well the we wamt tp get Obama out of the White House for sure.  But the biggest key is to get a larger majority in the House and take over the Senate with a super majority with the right type of people then they can force Romney, or whoever is in that spot, to come to the light.

This might be our only hope....  =|
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2012, 05:01:19 PM »
I'll caucus here in NV for Ron Paul but its so corrupt here anyone with any sense knows that Romney already has NV in the bag.
RP won here last time but the folks in charge of the republicrats here wouldn't hear of it.
Sharon Angle also won against Reid but the fix was in.

I will vote for whomever is the R candidate, which will probably be Romney ... under Obama I cant even afford to buy a gun, never mind ammo.

Romney wont be perfect but at least we might have some breathing room to prepare for the coming apocalypse 
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2012, 12:12:57 AM »
Reality: Romney is the guy who can oust Obama.  That is priority one.  After that, who Romney becomes in office, is up to US.  He's obviously not ideal on gun rights, but he can be pressured, and that must be a strong political priority for us come 2013.

Reality: Anybody can oust Obama. Certainly Romney and Ron Paul can do it. The election will be decided on a razor-thin edge of 2-3%. Voter enthusiasm and turnout will be key. Should Romney win, the conservative/libertarian movement known as the Tea Party will be reduced to the political wilderness for years to come.

There's nothing that Obama can do to America in 4 years than future freedom-loving Presidents and Congresses won't be able to undo.

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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2012, 12:50:20 AM »
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Reality: Romney is the guy who can oust Obama.

At least that is what the GOP establishment, John McCain and the main stream media are telling us.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2012, 12:55:00 AM »

There's nothing that Obama can do to America in 4 years than future freedom-loving Presidents and Congresses won't be able to undo.



Not in my lifetime.
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2012, 07:23:22 AM »
Reality: Romney is the guy who can oust Obama.  That is priority one. 
And so could just about anyone with a pulse that can string together simple sentences.
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« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2012, 07:36:37 AM »
There's nothing that Obama can do to America in 4 years than future freedom-loving Presidents and Congresses won't be able to undo.

If you can find any.....  ;/
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2012, 07:49:44 AM »
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2012, 09:42:00 AM »
And so could just about anyone with a pulse that can string together simple sentences.

Hopefully they can do it without the aid of a teleprompter all the time.
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« Reply #45 on: January 15, 2012, 09:45:49 AM »
If you can find any.....  ;/

Allowing ourselves to be force fed Romney for expediency will make freedom loving politicians that much harder to find.

I'm actually of the mind that the long term damage of letting the GOP think it's OK to produce candidates like him might be worse for American politics then another Obama term.  I don't think we should allow the Republicans to continue to pretend that they offer an actual opposition party, rather then a slightly different statism.

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« Reply #46 on: January 15, 2012, 03:05:06 PM »
Allowing ourselves to be force fed Romney for expediency will make freedom loving politicians that much harder to find.

I'm actually of the mind that the long term damage of letting the GOP think it's OK to produce candidates like him might be worse for American politics then another Obama term.  I don't think we should allow the Republicans to continue to pretend that they offer an actual opposition party, rather then a slightly different statism.

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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #47 on: January 15, 2012, 04:07:26 PM »
Don't construe my pragmatic support for a Romney candidacy as an endorsement of the GOP.  I think we all know the GOP establishment, as it is, is a fail.  Romney, for me, represents the last best hope to use the current political process to save what's left of Constitutional governance in America.  I am skeptical that the other GOP candidates can really beat Obama given the state of this political culture, but Romney is not cure-all and everyone here knows that.  For those who don't like the notions of secession and/or civil war, he offers, if nothing else, some time.  

And this:

Lord Macaulay on American Institutions and Prospects, 1860



From the Southern Literary Messenger. | Published: March 24, 1860 [Emphasis added]

Dear Sir:
You are surprised to learn that I have not a high opinion of Mr. JEFFERSON, and I am surprised at your surprise. I am certain that I never wrote a line, and that I never, in Parliament, in conversation, or even on the hustings -- a place where it is the fashion to court the populace -- uttered a word indicating an opinion that the supreme authority in a State ought to be intrusted to the majority of citizens told by the head; in other words, to the poorest and most ignorant part of society. I have long been convinced that institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty, or civilization, or both.

In Europe, where the population is dense, the effect of such institutions would be almost instantaneous. What happened lately in France is an example. In 1848 a pure Democracy was established there. During a short time there was reason to expect a general spoliation, a national bankruptcy, a new partition of the soil, a maximum of prices, a ruinous load of taxation laid on the rich for the purpose of supporting the poor in idleness. Such a system would, in twenty years, have made France as poor and barbarous as France of the Carlovingians. Happily the danger was averted; and now there is a despotism, a silent tribune, an enslaved Press. Liberty is gone; but civilization has been saved. I have not the smallest doubt that, if we had a purely Democratic Government here, the effect would be the same. Either the poor would plunder the rich, and civilization would perish; or order and property would be saved by a strong military government, and Liberty would perish.

You may think that your country enjoys an exemption from these evils. I will frankly own to you that I am of a very different opinion.

Your fate I believe to be certain, though it is deferred by a physical cause. As long as you have a boundless extent of fertile and unoccupied land, your laboring population will be far more at ease than the laboring population of the old world; and, while that is the case, the Jeffersonian policy may continue to exist without causing any fatal calamity. But the time will come when New-England will be as thickly peopled as Old England. Wages will be as low, and will fluctuate as much with you as with us. You will have your Manchesters and Birminghams; and, in those Manchesters and Birminghams, hundreds of thousands of artisans will assuredly be sometimes out of work. Then your institutions will be fairly brought to the test.

Distress everywhere makes the laborer mutinous and discontented, and inclines him to listen with eagerness to agitators who tell him that it is a monstrous iniquity that one man should have a million while another cannot get a full meal. In bad years there is plenty of grumbling here, and sometimes a little rioting. But it matters little. For here the sufferers are not the rulers. The supreme power is in the hands of a class, numerous indeed, but select, of an educated class, of a class which is, and knows itself to be, deeply interested in the security of property and the maintenance of order. Accordingly, the malcontents are firmly, yet gently, restrained. The bad time is got over without robbing the wealthy to relieve the indigent. The springs of national prosperity soon begin to flow again; work is plentiful; wages rise, and all is tranquillity and cheerfulness.

I have seen England pass three or four times through such critical seasons as I have described. Through such seasons the United States will have to pass, in the course of the next century, if not of this. How will you pass through them? I heartily wish you a good deliverance. But my reason and my wishes are at war, and I cannot help foreboding the worst.

It is quite plain that your Government will never be able to restrain a distressed and discontented majority. For with you the majority is the Government, and has the rich, who are always a minority, absolutely at its mercy.

The day will come when, in the State of New-York, a multitude of people, none of whom has had more than half a breakfast, or expects to have more than half a dinner, will choose a Legislature. Is it possible to doubt what sort of Legislature will be chosen?

On one side is a statesman preaching patience, respect for vested rights, strict observance of public faith. On the other is a demagogue ranting about the tyranny of capitalists and usurers, and asking why anybody should be permitted to drink champagne and to ride in a carriage, while thousands of honest folks are in want of necessaries. Which of the two candidates is likely to be preferred by a working man who hears his children cry for more bread?

I seriously apprehend that you will, in some such season of adversity as I have described, do things which will prevent prosperity from returning; that you will act like people would, in a year of scarcity, devour all the seed-corn, and thus make the next year, a year not of scarcity, but of absolute famine. There will be, I fear, spoliation. The spoliation will increase the distress. The distress will produce fresh spoliation. There is nothing to stay you. Your Constitution is all sail and no anchor.

As I said before, when a society has entered on this downward progress, either civilization or liberty must perish. Either some Caesar or Napoleon will seize the reins of government with a strong hand; or your Republic will be as fearfully plundered and laid waste by barbarians in the twentieth century as the Roman Empire was in the fifth; with this difference, that the Huns and Vandals, who ravaged the Roman Empire, came from without, and that your Huns and Vandals will have been engendered within your country by your own institutions.

I have the honor to be, dear Sir, Your faithful servant, T.B. MACAULAY.

Source: MACAULAY ON DEMOCRACY. - Curious Letter from Lord Macaulay on American Institutions and Prospects. - Article - NYTimes.com
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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #48 on: January 15, 2012, 05:15:18 PM »
Now, that Lord Macaulay .... did he have a crystal ball....or was he a time traveler ......
where did he get his smarts?


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Re: Mitt Romney & Gun Control
« Reply #49 on: January 15, 2012, 05:52:45 PM »
Don't construe my pragmatic support for a Romney candidacy as an endorsement of the GOP.  I think we all know the GOP establishment, as it is, is a fail.  Romney, for me, represents the last best hope to use the current political process to save what's left of Constitutional governance in America.  I am skeptical that the other GOP can really beat Obama given the state of this political culture, but Romney is not cure-all and everyone here knows that.  For those who don't like the notions of secession and/or civil war, he offers, if nothing else, some time.  

And this:

Lord Macaulay on American Institutions and Prospects, 1860



From the Southern Literary Messenger. | Published: March 24, 1860 [Emphasis added]

Dear Sir:
You are surprised to learn that I have not a high opinion of Mr. JEFFERSON, and I am surprised at your surprise. I am certain that I never wrote a line, and that I never, in Parliament, in conversation, or even on the hustings -- a place where it is the fashion to court the populace -- uttered a word indicating an opinion that the supreme authority in a State ought to be intrusted to the majority of citizens told by the head; in other words, to the poorest and most ignorant part of society. I have long been convinced that institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty, or civilization, or both.

In Europe, where the population is dense, the effect of such institutions would be almost instantaneous. What happened lately in France is an example. In 1848 a pure Democracy was established there. During a short time there was reason to expect a general spoliation, a national bankruptcy, a new partition of the soil, a maximum of prices, a ruinous load of taxation laid on the rich for the purpose of supporting the poor in idleness. Such a system would, in twenty years, have made France as poor and barbarous as France of the Carlovingians. Happily the danger was averted; and now there is a despotism, a silent tribune, an enslaved Press. Liberty is gone; but civilization has been saved. I have not the smallest doubt that, if we had a purely Democratic Government here, the effect would be the same. Either the poor would plunder the rich, and civilization would perish; or order and property would be saved by a strong military government, and Liberty would perish.

You may think that your country enjoys an exemption from these evils. I will frankly own to you that I am of a very different opinion.

Your fate I believe to be certain, though it is deferred by a physical cause. As long as you have a boundless extent of fertile and unoccupied land, your laboring population will be far more at ease than the laboring population of the old world; and, while that is the case, the Jeffersonian policy may continue to exist without causing any fatal calamity. But the time will come when New-England will be as thickly peopled as Old England. Wages will be as low, and will fluctuate as much with you as with us. You will have your Manchesters and Birminghams; and, in those Manchesters and Birminghams, hundreds of thousands of artisans will assuredly be sometimes out of work. Then your institutions will be fairly brought to the test.

Distress everywhere makes the laborer mutinous and discontented, and inclines him to listen with eagerness to agitators who tell him that it is a monstrous iniquity that one man should have a million while another cannot get a full meal. In bad years there is plenty of grumbling here, and sometimes a little rioting. But it matters little. For here the sufferers are not the rulers. The supreme power is in the hands of a class, numerous indeed, but select, of an educated class, of a class which is, and knows itself to be, deeply interested in the security of property and the maintenance of order. Accordingly, the malcontents are firmly, yet gently, restrained. The bad time is got over without robbing the wealthy to relieve the indigent. The springs of national prosperity soon begin to flow again; work is plentiful; wages rise, and all is tranquillity and cheerfulness.

I have seen England pass three or four times through such critical seasons as I have described. Through such seasons the United States will have to pass, in the course of the next century, if not of this. How will you pass through them? I heartily wish you a good deliverance. But my reason and my wishes are at war, and I cannot help foreboding the worst.

It is quite plain that your Government will never be able to restrain a distressed and discontented majority. For with you the majority is the Government, and has the rich, who are always a minority, absolutely at its mercy.

The day will come when, in the State of New-York, a multitude of people, none of whom has had more than half a breakfast, or expects to have more than half a dinner, will choose a Legislature. Is it possible to doubt what sort of Legislature will be chosen?

On one side is a statesman preaching patience, respect for vested rights, strict observance of public faith. On the other is a demagogue ranting about the tyranny of capitalists and usurers, and asking why anybody should be permitted to drink champagne and to ride in a carriage, while thousands of honest folks are in want of necessaries. Which of the two candidates is likely to be preferred by a working man who hears his children cry for more bread?

I seriously apprehend that you will, in some such season of adversity as I have described, do things which will prevent prosperity from returning; that you will act like people would, in a year of scarcity, devour all the seed-corn, and thus make the next year, a year not of scarcity, but of absolute famine. There will be, I fear, spoliation. The spoliation will increase the distress. The distress will produce fresh spoliation. There is nothing to stay you. Your Constitution is all sail and no anchor.

As I said before, when a society has entered on this downward progress, either civilization or liberty must perish. Either some Caesar or Napoleon will seize the reins of government with a strong hand; or your Republic will be as fearfully plundered and laid waste by barbarians in the twentieth century as the Roman Empire was in the fifth; with this difference, that the Huns and Vandals, who ravaged the Roman Empire, came from without, and that your Huns and Vandals will have been engendered within your country by your own institutions.

I have the honor to be, dear Sir, Your faithful servant, T.B. MACAULAY.

Source: MACAULAY ON DEMOCRACY. - Curious Letter from Lord Macaulay on American Institutions and Prospects. - Article - NYTimes.com

The trouble is, voting for "more of the same" sends the message to the party in question, "Yeah, this was a good candidate - give us more like this!"

NOT the message we want to be sending.  Send instead the message that, if the party doesn't produce a bonafide GOOD candidate, you actually won't vote for the limpwrister they DO offer.  And make them believe it.  Otherwise, Romney'll be the best you (we) get offered, and the decline will continue.

Re: Macauley - how depressing, and apparently depressingly-accurate.  I'm not sure which way I'd go - not a big fan of human suffering, and there'd be a ton of it as a result of The Fall Of American Civilization (and not even all of it would be here in the US, even!), but the idea of rolling over and permitting, to say nothing of actively assisting in, the creation of a tyranny in order to preserve "civilization?   [barf]  I keep thinking, "Civilizations can be rebuilt..."