8th grade student supended and arrested for wearing a NRA shirt to school.

[ssteven1]

It is hard to understand how this became an issue to the point that the 8th grader was arrested. Seems crazy that they would do this from the information given.

 http://www.wowktv.com/story/22020264/8th-grade-student-arrested-over-gun-t-shirt


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[HankB]

IF THAT'S ALL THERE IS TO THE STORY it would seem that they have a good case against the school, the arresting officer, and the police department - false arrest, false charges, official oppression, etc.

[T.O.M.]

Arrested for what??

$hit like this is why the system has such a crayy reputation, and those who work in it even worse.

[Balog]

Arrested for what??

$hit like this is why the system has such a crayy reputation, and those who work in it even worse.

"obstruction and disturbing the education process"

[RoadKingLarry]

Probably won't happen but I'd sure like to see the NRA step up on this one.

[MillCreek]

In similar cases I have read about, the depiction of firearms on clothing often comes under the 'depiction of violence' category as forbidden wear.  I clicked on the link and saw that the t-shirt depicted an AR-15.  Piss poor judgment, in my opinion, for the student to wear something like that so soon after Newtown.  Does it rise to an arrestable offense, I would like to hear more of the story before forming an opinion.

[RocketMan]

That it could even be considered an arrestable offense at all shows how utterly stupid and nonsensical our society has become.

[Balog]

I weep for our society where the mere depiction of an inanimate object that someone used to do something bad is considered evil thought crime.

[MillCreek]

I weep for our society where the mere depiction of an inanimate object that someone used to do something bad is considered evil thought crime.

But it does happen.  Consider the swastika post 1930's.

[RocketMan]

But it does happen.  Consider the swastika post 1930's.

Yes, but such things were considered an offense against societal standards and good taste.  Now they are criminal offenses.

[MillCreek]

Yes, but such things were considered an offense against societal standards and good taste.  Now they are criminal offenses.

The story is light on the details, but I suspect that the kid was arrested for more than merely wearing the shirt.  I suspect he got into an argument or the like with the teacher, and that was the arrestable offense.  The kid's father says that the kid was not aggressive, but as we often see, there are at least two sides to every story.

[Balog]

But it does happen.  Consider the swastika post 1930's.

Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.

[RocketMan]

Could well be he got into some kind of dustup with the teacher.  Used to be kids got sent to the principal's office when that happened.  Parents called, kid sanctioned in some fashion, etc.  It sure is different these days.
(Got paddled by the vice principal myself once or twice in high school.   Them were the good ole days.)

[MillCreek]

Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.

Oh, I don't disagree.  But sometimes that concept gets lost in the shuffle.  It would be as if you wore a t-shirt to school or the office depicting a flaming cross as a celebration of your Southern Scots-Irish ancestral rites.  I suspect most people would draw a different interpretation, though.

[zxcvbob]

I sent an email to the reporter; told him the kid needs to contact thefire.org (I have no affiliation.)  They love to handle 1st Amendment violations like this.  I copied fire@thefire.org

[dogmush]

Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.

For many people, and many teachers, AR15's are the same sort of symbol.

The fact that that makes them bigoted and ignorant doesn't change they're emotional investment in the "evil assault weapon" idea.

[AZRedhawk44]

Swastika's are symbols, which definitionally have implicit meanings. They are visual representations of ideas, not a neutral inanimate object.

An NRA shirt is not a neutral inanimate object.  It's a symbol that stands for something.

[Balog]

An NRA shirt is not a neutral inanimate object.  It's a symbol that stands for something.

It's a depiction of a neutral inanimate object (the rifle) which is being fussed at.

For many people, and many teachers, AR15's are the same sort of symbol.

The fact that that makes them bigoted and ignorant doesn't change they're emotional investment in the "evil assault weapon" idea.

And some teachers would undoubtedly find a pro-Jewish shirt just as offensive. Those people can suck it.

Oh, I don't disagree.  But sometimes that concept gets lost in the shuffle.  It would be as if you wore a t-shirt to school or the office depicting a flaming cross as a celebration of your Southern Scots-Irish ancestral rites.  I suspect most people would draw a different interpretation, though.

Wow, that's kind of insulting to Southerners isn't it? That being said, still not the same thing, thanks for playing.

[brimic]

Probably won't happen but I'd sure like to see the NRA ACLU step up on this one.

FIFY

[brimic]

An NRA shirt is not a neutral inanimate object.  It's a symbol that stands for something.

I wore a Huldra Arms T-shirt in Jamaica (not a very pro-gun country) and got a lot of compliments  on it

[French G.]

I wore a Huldra Arms T-shirt in Jamaica (not a very pro-gun country) and got a lot of compliments  on it

According to the Jamericans I've worked with Jamaica is a very pro-gun country, everyone who wants one, has one. Of course there is the law, but the place is so corrupt it doesn't get enforced unless selectively.

I made clay guns in middle school art class. I got permission to use a functional air rifle as partof a halloween costume. Carried a knife all high school. I did have two minor dust-ups with authorities, apparently it is frowned upon to disassemble the school bus with a swiss army knife. Also not the best to bring you improvised munitions FM into school to show a buddy. No doubt I'd be under the jail today.

[lee n. field]

"obstruction and disturbing the education process"

So, is that a crime?

[drewtam]

I am starting to think this father (and other parents) need to be charge with child neglect... for putting their kids in public schools.

There is a significant home-school contingent in my social circles. Maybe my daughter needs to join them.

[grampster]

I often wear my Celebrate Diversity T-shirt.  There are several rows of firearms on the front of the shirt.

[MillCreek]

And some teachers would undoubtedly find a pro-Jewish shirt just as offensive. Those people can suck it.

So, I take it we can count you as a staunch supporter of diversity of opinion?  Or just opinions that you agree with?