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Headless Thompson Gunner

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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #50 on: December 02, 2009, 08:56:02 AM »
Believing something is going to happen and having lurid fantasies about it happening are two different things. Nice lil ad hom there, everyone who thinks fed.gov is both unsustainable in it's current iteration and unlikely to change are just mall ninja keyboard commandos wanking to Mad Max.
And nice lil strawman.
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #51 on: December 02, 2009, 09:00:09 AM »
I don't think this is quite true. Modern America is not, politically, the America of the Founding Fathers. It's not even the America of Calvin Coolidge.

The statists have, over the past 80 years, performed a revolution (the New Deal) and then enhanced it by decades of evolutionary change.

No, I do not believe the modern state, in its current form, must exist for me to best enjoy the blessings of life.
True, modern America is not identical to original America.  But the two are far more alike than different.  All of the critical elements remain similar enough.

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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #52 on: December 02, 2009, 09:56:58 AM »
One thing we can count on: if we continue to believe that we are going to stop the leftist juggernaut by wishful thinking, by ignoring the cultural and demographic momentum, by pretending that We the People matter any longer more than a small elite in Congress, the judiciary, the media, and entertainment we are worse than fools.  They are not going to respect our views, our values, our cherished history.  Have they not already made that abundantly clear?  Right now we harbor the hope that the Congressional election of 2010 will begin The Great Turn-Around.  Even the Reagan Revolution, so-called, couldn't turn around what started a century ago; maybe it actually advanced it.  If they have to they will lie, cheat, steal, and bully to get their end; they are already doing just that.

This is not just about preserving what America was--that's impossible--it's about preserving what's left, and even that will be a huge challenge unless we are brutally realistic about what we need to think, say, and finally do.  I argue that this can be pragmatic, not millenarian, and peaceful, not sanguinary, voluntary, not coerced.  But the seeds must be planted, based on the compelling idea that they can go their way, we ours.

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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2009, 01:41:47 PM »
This.  I can't tell you how many people I see out there who seem eager for the end times to begin.  They have their AK and a coupla spam cans, and they're sure they can take it.

They don't have a clue what they're in for.  

America may have survived many calamities over the years, but nobody seems to realize just how many Americans did not survive those calamities.  If they understood, they'd be a lot more zealous about preserving the greatest nation on earth (warts and all), and a lot less eager to see it plunged into disaster.  



And nice lil strawman.

When you say nasty things about people who hold position X in a thread full of people holding position X...
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2009, 04:01:08 PM »
Sigh.

I never said everyone who thinks fedgov's current path is unsustainable has lurid Mad Max mall ninja commando fantasies.  That's something you brought to the discussion, not me.

I agreed with Monkeyleg that there are keyboard commando types out there on other forums, and I've said they don't have a clue what's coming.  Thankfully APS is pretty devoid of those types.  

If you wish to draw associations between those comando wannabe types out there and any of us in here, then that's all on you.

All I've said about people here on APS is that I think it's foolhardy to throw the baby out with the bathwater, as relates to destroying America to get rid of our socialism.
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #55 on: December 02, 2009, 09:30:19 PM »
Fine, then where are all the people who are going to pay for our gargantuan entitlement programs going to come from?

We can die the slow death of changing demographics due to low birth rates or we can import new citizens who hopefully will also have more children.



Have you stopped to consider that our gargantuan entitlement programs would not be either as gargantuan or as all-encompassing if we didn't have so many illegals lined up at the trough?
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #56 on: December 02, 2009, 10:17:03 PM »
Have you stopped to consider that our gargantuan entitlement programs would not be either as gargantuan or as all-encompassing if we didn't have so many illegals lined up at the trough?

Thats all on "us" buddy.

Can't blame FDR and Johnson on illegals.
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #57 on: December 02, 2009, 10:54:46 PM »
;/ That smells worse than the sewage currently collecting on my basement floor.  (Clogged drain down there.)

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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2009, 11:00:45 PM »
Thats all on "us" buddy.

Can't blame FDR and Johnson on illegals.

But we can recognize that such programs attract a different type of "immigrant" than the enterprising "huddled masses" of yore. 

And we can recognize that such programs may be yielding a different effect than what immigrant populations have had.   
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2009, 09:46:58 PM »
Get rid of the welfare system and the immigration problems mostly disappear.

Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #60 on: December 03, 2009, 11:09:29 PM »
Get rid of the welfare system and you lose that chunk of the middle class that exists only to serve the "underserved."   It's like talking about getting rid of public education; too much of the middle class is now part of the system that provides "essential services."

The welfare provider class in America will keep creating or importing the underclass it needs--until the funds aren't there and apparently even when they aren't.
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #61 on: December 04, 2009, 01:11:43 AM »
Get rid of the welfare system and the immigration problems mostly disappear.

Treat the disease, not the symptoms.

No, obviously we should treat both. 
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #62 on: December 04, 2009, 11:10:35 AM »
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It's like talking about getting rid of public education; too much of the middle class is now part of the system that provides "essential services."

Jobs exist in private schools.

In fact the best way to privatize the school system is to allow teachers to own stock in it.
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Re: Boo-hoo... Dear Aunt Zaituni feels bad.
« Reply #63 on: December 04, 2009, 01:30:00 PM »
Yeah, the jobs exist--but not at the same salaries with the same perks.
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