The non-koran-burning.

[Nitrogen]

The best part is all the free attention this Florida idiot is getting from the Washington idiots.

I have to say, I mostly agree with AZRedhawk44 on this.

We have freedom of speech in this country.
This means that idiot in Florida, and his flock can burn whatever they want, as long as it's their own property.

If Muslims don't like it, they can lump it.

And Obama and friends: You need to shut the hell up and stop giving morons free press.

Thank you, drive, through!

[Perd Hapley]

You could read the rules?  Apparently they believe spell checker is the work of the devil 
The grammar police would have a field day with this group...

I so totally want to be on that task force.

[Monkeyleg]

I guess things got bad enough that he needed an armed escort:



I wonder if her "endowments" distract would-be attackers.

[Hawkmoon]

It is one thing to get the media lathered up.  Quite another thing to get people himself killed.  

Fixed it for you.

Have any of you read the rules for their ministerial students? The preacher is nuttier than a fruitcake. Makes Jim Jones look like a (lower echelon) saint. The grammar police wouldn't touch him -- they wouldn't know what to start with for charges.

[seeker_two]

I wonder if her "endowments" distract would-be attackers.

Worked on me..... 

[dogmush]

Well at least you can count on the good old stand-by Jackwagons to act like Jackwagons:

Westboro Baptist vows to burn Koran if Dove World wimps out

[lee n. field]

   Some of the kookier religious wing-nuts are opposed to the internet.  Just imagine some of the bizarre doctrine that is NOT available online.

What caught my eye was in the first line.  "'Fife' fold ministry" --> fringy pentecostalist.  

[Jamisjockey]

I guess things got bad enough that he needed an armed escort:


I wonder if her "endowments" distract would-be attackers.

   Not with Mohammeds unit and Obama pushing.  








Quote of the day:
Throw another slice of bacon on my burning Koran!   caller on talk radio this morning

[Hutch]

Yup, burning a Koran is such stupid idea, I'm surprised the WBC didn't think of it sooner, esp since it (per Petreaus) puts our armed forces in greater danger.  Guys, I'm all for the 1A, but just because we CAN do something stupid doesn't mean that we SHOULD.  There are parallels to the thinking that applies to building the "mosque" in the vicinity of GZ.  Can they?  Absolutely.  Should they?  Absolutely not. Kinda like flag-burning.  Imagine the scenario.  I know of people (1 very, very well ) who would physically assault someone for attempting to burn a flag in my (oops) presence.  But I would do so expecting to face criminal charges for battery.  I'm willing to put that in front of a jury.  Instead of a boot in the snoot from me as a consequence of exercising 1A rights, we're looking at genning up bomb-vest wearers in the USA as a result of Koran burning.  To what purpose?

Some of us got lathered up about the WikiLeaks revelation that put Afghani people in mortal danger because they were helping US forces.  This act of brazen foolishness (Koran burning) puts US forces in incrementally greater danger, no question.  My biggest anger is that WBC, or the wacko in FL don't bear the consequences of their actions, but they're perfectly willing to expose others to greater danger.  To hell with that.

[MechAg94]

Screw that.  I agree with Nitrogen for once.  We in the USA seem to have no problem with pissing people off in the name of free speech, but when it comes to Muslims, we always want to pussyfoot around and be nice and try not to upset the nice Muslims who are after all following the religion of love and peace.  If it was just once, I don't have an issue, but we are developing a sickening pattern here. 

We should have an unofficial "Burn a Koran" Day and every newspaper in the US should print a cartoon of Muhammad burning a Koran.  We should try to teach some of these people that Free Speech means your sacred cows are no better or more important than anyone else's.  Freedom is not a one way street.

Lastly, if the Afghans can't understand true free speech, then they can't and won't have a real republican form of govt.  If they attack our troops over silly stuff like this, we should get out and let them have the govt they deserve. 

[MicroBalrog]

Is there average Afghan actually aware this is happening?

[MechAg94]

Is there average Afghan actually aware this is happening?

I honestly have no idea.  The articles I saw carried quotes from Muslims in a few different countries, but they were likely just the more vocal or the contacts the news people had. 

I just don't think we should abridge our freedoms just because someone might threaten violence against us.

[Hutch]

I just don't think we should abridge our freedoms just because someone might threaten violence against us.

Ain't no might about it.  If them what done it (burning) was the ones to get swatted for it, I'd be all for it.  They will pay no meaningful price, but there will be more widows and orphans as the result.

As I posted earlier, many of us get all bothered by leaks of classified information that lead to the death of U.S. soldiers, spies, or diplomats.  It is defensible/legal to do so because of the 1A, but it is still wrong to do so.  This is the same principle.  I have the right to whack a hornets nest with a stick, too.  Doesn't mean I should.  The average Afghani may not read the Drudge Report, or may not even be able to read at all, but word of this will get to him/her, and be more and more lurid in the re-telling of it.  Depend on it.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Is there average Afghan actually aware this is happening?

Apparently.  There are reports of Afghans rioting over the issue.  And I doubt Petraeus would stick his nose into it if it didn't matter on the ground in A-stan.

[dogmush]

I have to disagree with you Hutch.  I think that the burning makes this guy look like an asshat, but He definatly shouldn't stop it because of some threats from the "muslim world".  The way I see it there's two main options here:

Option 1. Islam has a decent sized minority that are willing and able to use terrorism against us (the west).  They will find an excuse to do so. It's stupid to try and live in such a way that a psyhco looking for a reason to hate you won't because we'll fail, while restricting our freedoms.  We need to understand that some folks will always try to hurt us, work to stop them, and kill them if the succeed, but publiclly refuse to change the way we live at home because of their backwards religious interpertation. 

Option 2. The "average" Afghani is so close to violence against us that the actions of one asshat preacher in FL can push them over the edge and spark attacks.  If this option is the truth, we need to know ASAP, and nuke them from orbit.  Because if that's really all it takes to set the "Average" one off, then there's no hope for peace, because we'll never control all the asshat preachers in this country.  Kill all the Afghanis, salt the earth and move on.

Sure this event will spark more attacks on our occupation force, but if it wasn't this, it'd be some imagined (or real but inflated) slight.  There's no point in trying to live so that religious extremist that hate us aren't offended.  I though South Park covered this all last season.  (I still think it's BS that Comedy Central doesn't have the sack to show a picture of Mohumed.)

[Tallpine]

There are reports of Afghans rioting over the issue.

And weren't they dancing in the streets when 3000 people died on 9-11-01 ? 

It's okay to murder innocent folks, but you gotta draw the line at burning their sacred book. 

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

I think that the burning makes this guy look like an asshat, but He definatly shouldn't stop it because of some threats from the "muslim world".

And this is exactly why we should allow groups like WBC to continue to exist. It would be glorious if crazy muslims in the US started attacking WBC.
Agreed that the 'Muslim World' is overly sensitive. Honestly, if I were evil overlord, I would do something like this on a regular basis - and every time there was a riot or even a protest over the issue, disperse it with artillery and close air support. After all, things like this might lure the hardcore guys out of hiding.

[Hutch]

I appreciate the well-reasoned comments, even those lost sheep that disagree with me.    I don't think dogmush and I will ever agree, but I don't see any urgent reason that we need to, either.  Gotta run.  I'll say a little prayer for us tomorrow.

[roo_ster]

As I posted earlier, many of us get all bothered by leaks of classified information that lead to the death of U.S. soldiers, spies, or diplomats.

Sorry, the two are not similar. 

The fellow who leaked the docs was committing a no-bull federal felony.  Asshat Preacher Man (APM) is committing no crime and if he were burning a Bible covered in poo shoved up some guy's *expletive deleted*ss on stage, might even qualify for a NEA grant.

To twist a phrase used in the past, "If we can no longer burn a Koran, the terrorists will have won."

I have to disagree with you Hutch.  I think that the burning makes this guy look like an asshat, but He definatly shouldn't stop it because of some threats from the "muslim world".  The way I see it there's two main options here:

Option 1. Islam has a decent sized minority that are willing and able to use terrorism against us (the west).  They will find an excuse to do so. It's stupid to try and live in such a way that a psyhco looking for a reason to hate you won't because we'll fail, while restricting our freedoms.  We need to understand that some folks will always try to hurt us, work to stop them, and kill them if the succeed, but publiclly refuse to change the way we live at home because of their backwards religious interpertation. 

Option 2. The "average" Afghani is so close to violence against us that the actions of one asshat preacher in FL can push them over the edge and spark attacks.  If this option is the truth, we need to know ASAP, and nuke them from orbit.  Because if that's really all it takes to set the "Average" one off, then there's no hope for peace, because we'll never control all the asshat preachers in this country.  Kill all the Afghanis, salt the earth and move on.

Sure this event will spark more attacks on our occupation force, but if it wasn't this, it'd be some imagined (or real but inflated) slight.  There's no point in trying to live so that religious extremist that hate us aren't offended.  I though South Park covered this all last season.  (I still think it's BS that Comedy Central doesn't have the sack to show a picture of Mohumed.)

This.

[seeker_two]

So...now that the burn is off, they're gonna stop shooting & bombing, right?

[RocketMan]

According to other reports as of Friday morning, the burning may be back on.  And there is another preacher in Tennessee and a protestor in Wyoming that have publically announced they will burn Korans on Sept. 11.
Asshats wanting their fifteen minutes are coming out of the woodwork.

[Monkeyleg]

Call CBS. I'm going to burn a copy of "Dreams From My Father". (For $25 I'll burn a dozen).

[sanglant]

hell, i'm in for four copys. dreams that is. any chance we can get the author there to cry and wail while they burn?

[AZRedhawk44]

If I write an "a" between the "r" and the "n" can I join in the fun and burn my little brother's Korn CD?

[Perd Hapley]

I just don't think we should abridge our freedoms just because someone might threaten violence against us.

True, but we shouldn't abuse them either.