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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on October 17, 2010, 10:40:17 AM
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...According to the world's richest man. Obama should give him a call.
http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2010/10/15/worlds-richest-man-charity-doesnt-solve-anything/
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Oh, like THAT'S gonna happen!!! [tinfoil]
It should .... but it won't....
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he's half right, charity doesn't help people that don't want helped.
the whole give a man a fish/teach a man to fish thing.
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Build a man a fire and he's warm for a night.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Seriously, I don't have a problem with giving someone a hand up.
I'm pretty well done with hand outs.
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Seriously, I don't have a problem with giving someone a hand up.
I'm pretty well done with hand outs.
Exactly. IMO, though, he's overlooking some special cases of charity where it does what it should; properly designed scholarships, extra funding for foster care to provide kids with a proper environment that encourages learning and self-sufficiency, and occasionally grants to startup businesses. All three put people on a path to providing for themselves.
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Vaccines, too..
Does public education itself count as a charity? If so, we have charity to thank for the contributions of many productive scientists and businesspersons.
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Does public education itself count as a charity? If so, we have charity to thank for the contributions of many productive scientists and businesspersons.
A story is told of a traveller bold
Who, being in want of food,
Cut off and ate the tail of his hound,
Returned him the bone, and strangely found
The brute had no gratitude!
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I guess gifts from the government in the form of sweetheart contracts and monopolies don't count as charity, even though they aren't really payment for work.
I love it when beneficiaries of the largest state welfare programs in the world go on record about hard work and developing business.
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I love it when beneficiaries of the largest state welfare programs in the world go on record about hard work and developing business.
You do have to ask sometimes what business some people are actually in. Some people claim to be businessman and not politicians, then you realize they made their money on govt contracts so you have to wonder if they were actually a good businessman or just a good politician.
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Does public education itself count as a charity?
No.
I guess gifts from the government in the form of sweetheart contracts and monopolies don't count as charity, even though they aren't really payment for work.
No, they don't.
What the frog? ???
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Yeah, I guess charity and graft/corruption are not supposed to be the same thing.
Public schooling can be a form of govt handout or charity if the people using it aren't paying the taxes that fund it.
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No, taxes and tax-subsidized services are not charity. Period. End of sentence. No really I mean it.
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It isn't charity if you are using someone else's money. That is called redistribution of wealth.
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It isn't charity if you are using someone else's money. That is called redistribution of wealth property.
We've got to stop calling it wealth. That connotes that only the wealthy are being preyed upon.
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No, taxes and tax-subsidized services are not charity. Period. End of sentence. No really I mean it.
Charity depends on the giving, not the taking.
If someone robs a bank, and then a year later gives cash to an orphanage, that's still charity...charity pertains to the gift, not the acquisition of money.
On reflection, it wouldn't be strictly charity that made Slim a billionaire, but he's certainly in no position to lecture the world on handouts versus hard work.
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Charity is an act of voluntary sacrifice.
Anything taken by the tax man is taken ultimately by gun point, using the State's monopoly of force as justification. That is not charity.
The State has absolutely no right to ever call any of its actions, charitable.
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Charity depends on the giving, not the taking. If someone robs a bank, and then a year later gives cash to an orphanage, that's still charity...charity pertains to the gift, not the acquisition of money.
It is not about the source of the money. Government is not a charity organization.
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Charity depends on the giving, not the taking.
If someone robs a bank, and then a year later gives cash to an orphanage, that's still charity...charity pertains to the gift, not the acquisition of money.
On reflection, it wouldn't be strictly charity that made Slim a billionaire, but he's certainly in no position to lecture the world on handouts versus hard work.
Actually the orphanage would be guilty of receiving stolen goods.
If you do not have the right to acquire the money you do not have the right to dispense it, no matter how "charitable" your intents are.
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Real "charity" is about empowering others, not making them dependent.
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Education, undeserved govt. contracts, monopolies - if those are charity, then what isn't? Law enforcement? The military? Standardizing weights and measures? Roads? Customs enforcement?
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Hey I deduct every dime I take in as a charitable contribution, especially the taxes withheld since Obama is giving to po fok. It must be an act of charity when I give my money to a merchant. I don't have to, so it must be charity, no? :angel:
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oh, the geithner method. :laugh:
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It is not about the source of the money. Government is not a charity organization.
You'd better tell them that. :lol:
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Yeah, I guess charity and graft/corruption are not supposed to be the same thing.
Public schooling can be a form of govt handout or charity if the people using it aren't paying the taxes that fund it.
Not if they don't have the choice.
Behold, the charity of the state. (http://www.netzwerk-bildungsfreiheit.de/html/pe_erlangen_en.html)
It probably isn't charity if you need to force people to accept it at gunpoint.
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The greatest charity you can give a man is an opportunity.
--Don King (at least I have it attributed to him)
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The greatest charity you can give a man is an opportunity.
--Don King (at least I have it attributed to him)
And yet our priorities at the FedGov level seem to be for hand outs instead.
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America, with its religious and capitalist roots, has been conflicted about compassion from the outset. It remains conflicted. We'd better decide if the Kingdom's on earth or somewhere else.
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And yet our priorities at the FedGov level seem to be for hand outs instead.
Hand outs are easy. It's much easier (and cheaper in the short run) to just give out fishes, instead of investing in fishing poles and teaching people how to fish.
Some might see spending tax dollars on fishing poles as socialism, but to me, it's preferable than just giving out fish.
PS Nitrogen, do you drive a Mini Cooper?
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I don't think Carlos Slim is an expert on anything but making a lot of money out of a slightly smaller lot of money. This doesn't make him an expert on either the morality or the efficacy of charity.
I am prevented by binding agreement from giving further information in support of my opinion of Carlos Slim. Make of that what you will.