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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #25 on: November 05, 2008, 02:22:48 PM »
I agree with Buzz; the only practical solution is for us of a conservative bent to rally behind a conservative leader (Palin?) and bring the GOP back to the unabashedly conservative principles we believe in.

The one thing I fear is the tendency for us to allow ourselves to be branded "Christian Conservatives." Look, I have absolutely nothing against churchgoing Christian people, and I share many values with them. But I do not like wearing Christianity on my sleeve as a badge of honor. Religion should be free and private. It should not be the badge of politicians.

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Palin?  In my opinion, she's a sign of what's wrong, not the right way to go.  Just how much post-secondary education has she had?  What was it, a communication-journalism degree?  Come on, that's what football players and beauty queens get.  Oh wait...

Kick out the Protestant Fundamentalists and corporate special interests, go back to REALLY being the party of small government and fiscal responsibility and they'll go a long way towards repairing their image and being successful again.

Oh well, I don't see this getting any better.  The pendulum isn't slowing down, it's swinging more extreme each time, and what's worse is a bunch of us know it and can't seem to do anything about it.

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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #26 on: November 05, 2008, 02:25:44 PM »
Palin?  In my opinion, she's a sign of what's wrong, not the right way to go.  Just how much post-secondary education has she had?  What was it, a communication-journalism degree?  Come on, that's what football players and beauty queens get.  Oh wait...

Right, what Washington really needs is more lawyers.  ;/
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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #27 on: November 05, 2008, 02:30:25 PM »
Palin?  In my opinion, she's a sign of what's wrong, not the right way to go.  Just how much post-secondary education has she had?  What was it, a communication-journalism degree?  Come on, that's what football players and beauty queens get.  Oh wait...

Palin is indeed a sign of what's wrong.  She's so different, so unusual, that the fact we need someone just like her seems freakish.  Make no mistake, though, someone like her is exactly what we need.  Another ill-educated Ivy League lawyer from the liberal Northeast establishment will NOT help our country any.


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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #28 on: November 05, 2008, 02:48:57 PM »
Palin is indeed a sign of what's wrong.  She's so different, so unusual, that the fact we need someone just like her seems freakish.  Make no mistake, though, someone like her is exactly what we need.  Another ill-educated Ivy League lawyer from the liberal Northeast establishment will NOT help our country any.



First, who said anything about Ivy League?  Plenty of good schools out there teaching practical skills which operate under the radar...

So that being said, how do you feel about Harvard MBAs? :)

Or for that matter Harvard Law grads?  We've got one who's Chief Justice, and a few more on the court, including one who wrote the Heller opinion...

I'm a little more partial to the Chicago School myself.  Seen too many Harvard MBAs in my work life run things into the ground, it's that whole idea of "you can manage anything if you know how to manage".

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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2008, 03:22:52 PM »
First, who said anything about Ivy League?  Plenty of good schools out there teaching practical skills which operate under the radar...

So that being said, how do you feel about Harvard MBAs? :)

Or for that matter Harvard Law grads?  We've got one who's Chief Justice, and a few more on the court, including one who wrote the Heller opinion...

I'm a little more partial to the Chicago School myself.  Seen too many Harvard MBAs in my work life run things into the ground, it's that whole idea of "you can manage anything if you know how to manage".

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Most of the Ivy Leaguers I've known over the years have been far from intelligent or educated.  A Harvard degree has become a ticket into the elite echelons of society.  That's certainly valuable to the recipients, but it isn't to be confused with an education.  The students go there seeking to improve their social pedigree, and they don't learn much of anything besides politically correct liberalism and a  sense of smug superiority.

We do not need more of that.

When we have folks looking down on an outsider woman from Alaska because she doesn't have the expected elitist pedigree ("her degree is in communications, well feh, she's just a beauty queen"), that's a major problem.  We're now to the point where significant parts of the population are only willing to accept politicians from this narrow and limited set of ill-educated elitists.  It's problematical when it happens once or twice, but we much beyond that point now.  It's become an establishment, and it's become self-perpetuating.

We need to break that cycle, that establishment.  We need someone who is as far removed from that establishment as possible.  Palin is ideal.  Her distance from that mess is one of her biggest assets.

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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2008, 03:30:08 PM »
Most of the Ivy Leaguers I've known over the years have been far from intelligent or educated.  A Harvard degree has become a ticket into the elite echelons of society.  That's certainly valuable to the recipients, but it isn't to be confused with an education.  The students go there seeking to improve their social pedigree, and they don't learn much of anything besides politically correct liberalism and a  sense of smug superiority.

We do not need more of that.

When we have folks looking down on an outsider woman from Alaska because she doesn't have the expected elitist pedigree ("her degree is in communications, well feh, she's just a beauty queen"), that's a major problem.  We're now to the point where significant parts of the population are only willing to accept politicians from this narrow and limited set of ill-educated elitists.  It's problematical when it happens once or twice, but we much beyond that point now.  It's become an establishment, and it's become self-perpetuating.

We need to break that cycle, that establishment.  We need someone who is as far removed from that establishment as possible.  Palin is ideal.  Her distance from that mess is one of her biggest assets.

Fair enough, can't disagree with you on the ill-educated elitists, but don't mistake a lack of education for someone having the qualifications to do the job.  And also don't assume that because someone has one they're an elitist.

Palin might make a decent legislator in time, but right now a lot of what I'm hearing is "she's hot!"

Sorry, my friend, but I'm not voting for a pair of tits.  That's no different than voting for someone because they belong to an ethnic group...

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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2008, 03:38:03 PM »
Voting for an idiot is pretty stupid, whether that idiot has an Ivy League education (George Bush) or not.

Plenty of intelligent people have no degree, and plenty of morons have one.

Railing on intelligent people is attacking the problem backwards, in my opinion.
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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2008, 03:52:21 PM »
It's all Bush's fault :P

Really, though - it is. :(  He started out the millenium with the presidency and both houses of congress, and over the next 8 years managed to screw it all up for everyone.  His fellow Republicans bear the blame too, of course - mostly for letting him get away with it.

Now we have a radical black socialist taking over all the extra powers that Bush gained over the last 7 years, in order to fight the terrists:O  One stroke of the pen, and all gun-owners/non-believers will be enemy-combatants.

I'm almost wishing now that Kerry had won in 2004.  By now everyone would have been sick of him and maybe a decent Republican would be president-elect...  =|
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« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2008, 03:56:49 PM »
If we had a decent, conservative candidate, Obama would NOT have won.

I don't mean a decent republican, I mean a decent conservative. 
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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2008, 03:57:36 PM »
I'm almost wishing now that Kerry had won in 2004.  By now everyone would have been sick of him and maybe a decent Republican would be president-elect...  =|

We might be fighting a war here if that happened.

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« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2008, 04:39:12 PM »
Palin should continue as governor, but have a higher profile. She'll need to call national attention to what she's doing in Alaska.

She can overcome the small-state stigma by being more visibly involved in Republican politics on the national level, whether it's stumping for other candidates or helping with party platform issues. It will be a delicate balancing act, though, as too much exposure will give the public fatigue.

She's proven that she is a quick study and can talk about issues. She also connects with people in a way that most politicians can only dream of. I'd say she's on a par with Obama and Bill Clinton in that respect.

Tallpine, with the exception of Reagan/Bush, we haven't seen one party hold the White House for more than two terms since FDR. Whether you agree with the Iraq war or not, wars don't make presidents popular.

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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2008, 04:43:21 PM »
We might be fighting a war here if that happened.



Unfortunately, I fear that we wil soon be fighting a war here anyway - amongst our own people.  =|
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« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2008, 04:54:29 PM »
Unfortunately, I fear that we wil soon be fighting a war here anyway - amongst our own people.  =|

I doubt it, maybe some heated arguements and some isolated violence.

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« Reply #38 on: November 05, 2008, 05:24:00 PM »
I doubt it, maybe some heated arguements and some isolated violence.



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« Reply #39 on: November 05, 2008, 05:42:33 PM »
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too much exposure will give the public fatigue.

I tend to disagree with that.  If someone/something isn't in the spotlight at least once a week, the public forgets about it.  We are an increasingly fickle population.  I really wonder what Sarah Palin's role will be in 4 years, she's got the initial exposure, but who knows what the political landscape will look like after the dems have their merry way for 4 long years.
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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2008, 06:20:59 PM »
Fair enough, can't disagree with you on the ill-educated elitists, but don't mistake a lack of education for someone having the qualifications to do the job.  And also don't assume that because someone has one they're an elitist.

Palin might make a decent legislator in time, but right now a lot of what I'm hearing is "she's hot!"

Sorry, my friend, but I'm not voting for a pair of tits.  That's no different than voting for someone because they belong to an ethnic group...

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Palin has far more experience in an executive position, and far more success as an administrator, than the current President-elect.  She has spent far more time living in the real world than Obama and Biden combined.  She can speak as well as Obama and Bill Clinton can.  When she says she can relate to real Americans she isn't lying.  She's more real than any prominent national politician I think I've ever seen.  She's at least somewhat conservative.  She doesn't tolerate corruption regardless of which side of the aisle she finds it on.  She doesn't squander public funds (that alone makes her supremely qualified).  She isn't part of your same old elitist establishment.  She seems to know the difference between right and wrong.  She can stir up a crowd, and build up excitement and support as well as any politician.  She'll take on her own people when they're in the wrong.

But hey, if all you see is her tits and her beauty queen degree, then I can understand why you don't realize she's qualified.  Don't feel bad, though.  The rest of the establishment doesn't get it, either.

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« Reply #41 on: November 05, 2008, 06:29:27 PM »
Palin wasn't as polished initially. However, if Obama or Biden had received even half the scrutiny for their mistakes as she did (let alone the creative editing) there would be no comparison.
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« Reply #42 on: November 05, 2008, 06:32:27 PM »
Palin has far more experience in an executive position, and far more success as an administrator, than the current President-elect.  She has spent far more time living in the real world than Obama and Biden combined.  She can speak as well as Obama and Bill Clinton can.  When she says she can relate to real Americans she isn't lying.  She's more real than any prominent national politician I think I've ever seen.  She's at least somewhat conservative.  She doesn't tolerate corruption regardless of which side of the aisle she finds it on.  She doesn't squander public funds (that alone makes her supremely qualified).  She isn't part of your same old elitist establishment.  She seems to know the difference between right and wrong.  She can stir up a crowd, and build up excitement and support as well as any politician.  She'll take on her own people when they're in the wrong.

I just don't think she would have been ready if McCain had keeled over.  Hell, she didn't even know what the VP's job with regards to the Senate is.  Maybe worrying about things like that make me part of the establishment, but I'm OK with that.

But hey, if all you see is her tits and her beauty queen degree, then I can understand why you don't realize she's qualified.  Don't feel bad, though.  The rest of the establishment doesn't get it, either.

Naw, that was more of a general comment on all of the "she's hot" meme that's been all over the place.  I swear I was (and still am) as fed up with that as I am with our President Elect's groupies swooning.

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« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2008, 07:58:40 PM »
Palin is less than the unwashed. She has not ever nor will ever be initiate in the grave yard.
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« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2008, 08:50:28 PM »
I'm curious to see what will be discussed at CPAC 2009.

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« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2008, 09:28:30 PM »
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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2008, 09:44:55 PM »
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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2008, 11:14:57 PM »
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But hey, if all you see is her tits and her beauty queen degree, then I can understand why you don't realize she's qualified.  Don't feel bad, though.  The rest of the establishment doesn't get it, either.

I dunno about that.  She might actually be an uninformed idiot. A clip from Bill O'Reiley's show:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

Apparently she thinks Africa is a country and doesn't know what countries are in NAFTA.

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Re: I fear for our country
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2008, 11:26:14 PM »
I dunno about that.  She might actually be an uninformed idiot. A clip from Bill O'Reiley's show:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZHTJsR4Bc

Apparently she thinks Africa is a country and doesn't know what countries are in NAFTA.

*shrug*

Yeah but what's that got to do with her potential as a president?   =)

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« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2008, 11:34:20 PM »
  Hell, she didn't even know what the VP's job with regards to the Senate is.  Maybe worrying about things like that make me part of the establishment, but I'm OK with that.

Actually, she was correct about the VP's job with regard to the Senate. Unfortunately, our recently elected VP does not.
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