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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on March 05, 2013, 03:08:39 PM
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It appears TSA is going to relax policy to allow "small" knives as carry-on, and now flight attendant unions are complaining it will make flying more dangerous.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/05/tsa-allows-knives-on-board/
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That's not a knife. ;/
I can't even come up with a suitable pejorative for it.
Less than 1/2 inch wide, less than 2.4 inches long, no locking capability, no contoured grip.
Most knives that fit this description don't even deserve the label.
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Impossible. nothing the DHS does, or the TSA, has any common sense.
This is a fabricated story to distract from the impending TSA war on america
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That's not a knife. ;/
I can't even come up with a suitable pejorative for it.
Less than 1/2 inch wide, less than 2.4 inches long, no locking capability, no contoured grip.
Most knives that fit this description don't even deserve the label.
A swiss army knife is not a knife?
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Them teeny/tiny SAKs that fit this description are a greater danger to the user than the package you're trying to open or material you're trying to cut.
About the only thing that fits these rules are the touristy chinese-made souvenir SAK knockoffs with some sort of locale-related image or logo on the butt end of the handle. Blade is about 1/4 inch tall and less than 2 inches long, with a weak spring to hold it in place that collapses if you breathe on it funny.
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blades can't be lockers, and the blade must be 2.36 inches or less.
I believe the start date is 4/22/12.
Just ordered a set of Spyderco slipjoints. Close outs, on sale. Sweet
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=709
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blades can't be lockers, and the blade must be 2.36 inches or less.
I believe the start date is 4/22/12.
Just ordered a set of Spyderco slipjoints. Close outs, on sale. Sweet
http://www.spyderco.com/catalog/details.php?product=709
Not legal.
Cannot be contoured grip.
Cannot be taller than 1/2 inch.
Cannot be a locker.
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AZ - the point is that they moved in the right direction and relaxed the rules. No, you can't carry your combat folder, but it's a start in the right direction over "zero tolerance".
The sad part of the story is the objection by the union. We have had Patriot Act stuff so long now that some people are coming of age into it and thinking it's all "normal", never knowing or forgetting that there once was a time when carrying a pocket knife on a plane was absolutely common.
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AZ - the point is that they moved in the right direction and relaxed the rules. No, you can't carry your combat folder, but it's a start in the right direction over "zero tolerance".
The sad part of the story is the objection by the union. We have had Patriot Act stuff so long now that some people are coming of age into it and thinking it's all "normal", never knowing or forgetting that there once was a time when carrying a pocket knife on a plane was absolutely common.
Silence. Distraction/TSA war.
Repeat after me.
TSA
WAR
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Dupe topics merged.
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Bawls to a "combat folder."
I just want my fracking multitool. I can't count how often I use that thing in a day.
But, the blade "locks." And it's probably 0.1 or 0.2 inches too big in both dimensions. And the stoopid grip on the Skeletool would be interpreted by a TSA goon as "contoured," mostly because he wants to put it in lost and found for the rest of the day and then take it home himself.
Damn skippy, TSA WAR. I won't allow them to partake in my travel related commerce. Eff them in the Aye.
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I think people should be encouraged to urinate or vomit on hijackers. It is a good defense according to Colorado legislators.
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Bawls to a "combat folder."
I just want my fracking multitool. I can't count how often I use that thing in a day.
But, the blade "locks." And it's probably 0.1 or 0.2 inches too big in both dimensions. And the stoopid grip on the Skeletool would be interpreted by a TSA goon as "contoured," mostly because he wants to put it in lost and found for the rest of the day and then take it home himself.
Damn skippy, TSA WAR. I won't allow them to partake in my travel related commerce. Eff them in the Aye.
Cool
You've made your point.
Now, kindly explain why relaxing the insane TSA rules is anything but a good thing?
At this point, the TSA could publically advocate for concealed carry, and I'm pretty sure folks like you would find a way to complain about it.
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I think people should be encouraged to urinate or vomit on hijackers TSA employees. It is a good defense according to Colorado legislators.
Too good to pass up.
I'll have to check when I get home but I think my Classic Leatherman fits under this. I'm sure my OG Gerber multi-tool does. So Yea! for progress.
Just for Shits and Grins, I have an EOD multi tool that has a blasting cap crimper on it. I think that it fits under this size. would be LULZ to take on an airplane.
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At this point, the TSA could publically advocate for concealed carry, and I'm pretty sure folks like you would find a way to complain about it.
Mostly because they'd want to steal guns and holsters off people. TSA logic would involve de-holstering and still going through nudoscopes, and things would magically disappear off the conveyor. ;/
TSA are thieving pervs. Q.E.D.
Cool
You've made your point.
Now, kindly explain why relaxing the insane TSA rules is anything but a good thing?
If they all voluntarily quit and John Pistole committed ritual seppuku with a splintered pool queue (ideally from the arse-end), it'd be a good start.
They've already won and created their culture of hoplophobia and dependency. I won't be a part of it.
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Mostly because they'd want to steal guns and holsters off people. TSA logic would involve de-holstering and still going through nudoscopes, and things would magically disappear off the conveyor. ;/
TSA are thieving pervs. Q.E.D.
If they all voluntarily quit and John Pistole committed ritual seppuku with a splintered pool queue (ideally from the arse-end), it'd be a good start.
They've already won and created their culture of hoplophobia and dependency. I won't be a part of it.
Herp Derp
Lemme guess... everyone who works for DHS is a statist ahole who wants to wage war on america, too, eh?
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Also.....TSA vs. Union.
Is this another of those sit back and pray for an asteroid times?
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Also.....TSA vs. Union.
Is this another of those sit back and pray for an asteroid times?
This is the most deliciously entertaining part of it.
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http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.leatherman.com/product/Squirt_PS4&sa=U&ei=vVk2UfCiMMeXyAGQ_4GIAQ&ved=0CA4QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNEdpO40SeZbVQXNur0dvs12pcxjig
Legal or not?....
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Not legal.
Cannot be contoured grip.
Cannot be taller than 1/2 inch.
Cannot be a locker.
I believe an Opinel 5 is the largest knife that fits that description. (of course a No 6. is the smallest Opinel that I own)
Will have to look at some of the Case (etc) "toothpick" pattern knives. I wouldn't really trust an Opinel without a lock ring. Or I can try to carry my 6 and see if it goes under their radar. It's a very nonthreatening knife and it looks smaller than it really is.
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What do they mean by "molded" handles? Does that mean only slab sided such as those tiny SAKs?
Is this molded?
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftoolsandsupply.com%2Fimages%2Fgerber-22-41122-stl-20-fine-edge-knife.jpg&hash=e827e323d8dfcb1dc58c3f195fbfc13a798ebef9)
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If they all voluntarily quit and John Pistole committed ritual seppuku with a splintered pool queue (ideally from the arse-end), it'd be a good start.
Don't forget his abject apology to all of America. Other than that, I am with you.
Also.....TSA vs. Union.
Is this another of those sit back and pray for an asteroid times?
Indeed.
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For years, I've packed a good knife in a hidden pocket of my toiletries kit in my checked bag. Get my bag, retrieve the knife in the nearest restroom, and I'm good to go. At least now I don't have to dismantle my keychain to fly. I keep a Victorinox mini SAK on my keys. Use the scissors and nail file more that the two blades, but at least I could cut something like a hangnail waiting for a flight.
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Honestly?
I fly with guns more often then not now.
If I have to check a bag just to get my damn multi-tool in, I might as well throw the Sig and a couple mags in.
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So, are box cutters legal now?
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So, are box cutters legal now?
According to what I read, they are specifically not. They are the AR-15s of the sky. :)
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See this brochure for additional details: http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf/tsa_permitted_items_update.pdf
So which sounds better - a pen knife or a 23" "novelty" bat? Or a cue stick?
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According to what I read, they are specifically not. They are the AR-15s of the sky. :)
I wonder about "shavettes". (small straight razors with disposable blades) And old-fashioned injector razors.
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According to what I read, they are specifically not. They are the AR-15s of the sky. :)
:lol: Exactly what I thought!
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See this brochure for additional details: http://www.tsa.gov/sites/default/files/assets/pdf/tsa_permitted_items_update.pdf
So which sounds better - a pen knife or a 23" "novelty" bat? Or a cue stick?
Titanium knitting needles. =D Tradesmen are allowed tools, doesn't every IT tech keep a 12" screwdriver for tht one really big screw?
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Impossible. nothing the DHS does, or the TSA, has any common sense.
This is a fabricated story to distract from the impending TSA war on america
A story is told of a traveller bold
Who, being in want of food,
Cut off and ate the tail of his hound,
Returned him the bone, and strangely found
The brute had no gratitude!
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For years, I've packed a good knife in a hidden pocket of my toiletries kit in my checked bag. Get my bag, retrieve the knife in the nearest restroom, and I'm good to go. At least now I don't have to dismantle my keychain to fly. I keep a Victorinox mini SAK on my keys. Use the scissors and nail file more that the two blades, but at least I could cut something like a hangnail waiting for a flight.
Yeah, but now for the cost of two way baggage you can just buy a pretty good knife and then throw it away.
Have to get to some sort of store first, though... =(
I finally decided that I just am not going to fly anymore. But I was considering carrying an empty leather sheath in my carry-on and buying a knife in the housewares department of grocery store or walmart.
Funny how walmart keeps all their knives locked up in sporting goods but there are bigger meaner ones just hanging on display hooks in the kitchen aisle ;/
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Cool
You've made your point.
Now, kindly explain why relaxing the insane TSA rules is anything but a good thing?
At this point, the TSA could publically advocate for concealed carry, and I'm pretty sure folks like you would find a way to complain about it.
A rapist wearing a condom is technically a good thing. But the rapist still needs to be put behind bars.
It's the TSA. They are not evil. I think they're expensive, incompetent and inefficient. Ask any fed law enforcement at DHS if they'd be happy with a random TSA employee being put on their team. Watch their face, not what they say. Yes, they are being less incompetent with this new rule. Browsing the rule list, they're still being incompetent. Just not totally incompetent.
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K-Bar TDI "Last Ditch." Best $15 you will ever spend.
Meanwhile, I am working out with my golf clubs and hockey sticks. :)
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A rapist wearing a condom is technically a good thing. But the rapist still needs to be put behind bars.
It's the TSA. They are not evil. I think they're expensive, incompetent and inefficient. Ask any fed law enforcement at DHS if they'd be happy with a random TSA employee being put on their team. Watch their face, not what they say. Yes, they are being less incompetent with this new rule. Browsing the rule list, they're still being incompetent. Just not totally incompetent.
Gotta disagree with you on that. "Just following orders" is never an excuse, and sexually assaulting folks for having the temerity to want to board a plane is pretty clearly evil to me.
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Classic Leatherman is <1/2" x 2.5" and non-locking...
Until you grind it down to 6 cm
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi101.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fm60%2Fcarebear8652%2FSuckitTSA.jpg&hash=49f989c1c5718f455f0c55136bc632c9f1764962)
You can order replacement blades as I recall and the tip on this one was wonky regardless.
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At the least, once you get someone admitting that some arbitrary length is okay, they assume the burden for explaining why another 1/4" really matters.
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Gotta disagree with you on that. "Just following orders" is never an excuse, and sexually assaulting folks for having the temerity to want to board a plane is pretty clearly evil to me.
This. Violating people's rights for ephemeral feeling of safety is pretty *expletive deleted*ing evil, even if the people doing it are too dumb to know or simply don't care that what they're doing is wrong.
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Funny, fixed blades seems to be OK over here. Just says "no knives with blades longer than 6 cm". Also doesn't seem to mention anything about non-locking folders only. Also, nothing about "no wider than .5 inches" from edge to spine. Could possibly carry my Dragonfly 2, or a Böker Plus Gnome. Not the Mini-Grip though, which is funny, what with it having a less stabby point and all. But, I guess that .51 inch makes a huge difference there.
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This. Violating people's rights for ephemeral feeling of safety is pretty *expletive deleted* evil, even if the people doing it are too dumb to know or simply don't care that what they're doing is wrong.
As he said. Pure evil forcing a person to give up all privacy and dignity in order to have use of standard transportation. The TSA enforces dehumanizing treatment. EVIL.
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Many box cutters have molded handles now.
I was pleased with the announcement on first blush. But I don't have any SAKs that would fit into their definition. Hence it is mostly symbolic.
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give up all privacy and dignity
good one!!! [popcorn] ;/
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Oh come on now. Be reasonable. They are only taking some of your dignity. Surely you didn't need all of your dignity?
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After thoroughly reading through the rules over here, I spent some money on a small fixed blade neck knife =D.
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I'm no fan of the TSA... It's one of the biggest reasons I have driven to Detroit my past several trips instead of flying. That, and driving up here is cheaper for the government And I make a conscious effort to spend as little as possible on this project
Progress is progress
They still suck, but they suck a tiny bit less now, and that's a step in the right direction, even if it's small
Next I'd like to see all the body scanners go away
Especially since they don't seem to be effective
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They are letting (fake) bombs and other stuff through, too. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/newark_tsa_bomb_boozled_eTIZBp2X7B299qO5WCWvAK) How cool is that!
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They are letting (fake) bombs and other stuff through, too. (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/newark_tsa_bomb_boozled_eTIZBp2X7B299qO5WCWvAK) How cool is that!
Incompetence is their watchword, after all
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Well CSD, what privacy and dignity do they leave you after taking nude pictures and groping up into your "resistance"? There isn't much a stranger can do to further humiliate you other than perhaps introducing a foreign object up your rectum. And I'm not even discussing what a small child experiences getting rubbed down by a strange adult, or a parent having to watch this happen in front of them.
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Seriously, terrorist will never be able to bring down a jet with a knife of any size. No pilot will ever open a cabin door to save a flight attendant again. The only thing the tsa needs to worry about is firearms and bombs. Passengers won't lay down like sheep again or at the very least, some will stand up. They got us once, shame on them, if they get us twice shame on us.
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Funny thing . I've flown with a pair of kids. Outa dulles and national. And never experienced a big deal. Though my definition of experienced is probably different than yours. Mine means actually being there . I don't count you tube vids and blogger reports as "experience". Ymmv. Maybe if you recounted your horriffic experiences it would help me.
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Seriously, terrorist will never be able to bring down a jet with a knife of any size. No pilot will ever open a cabin door to save a flight attendant again. The only thing the tsa needs to worry about is firearms and bombs. Passengers won't lay down like sheep again or at the very least, some will stand up. They got us once, shame on them, if they get us twice shame on us.
Yup . And no more truly unarmed passengers either.lots of tricks. And most important armament is tude.
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Funny thing . I've flown with a pair of kids. Outa dulles and national. And never experienced a big deal. Though my definition of experienced is probably different than yours. Mine means actually being there . I don't count you tube vids and blogger reports as "experience". Ymmv. Maybe if you recounted your horriffic experiences it would help me.
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I've never had any horrific experiences, but that doesn't mean they don't happen... there's documented proof of abuse.
I've ran into incompetence though. One in particular was funny after the fact, not so funny then.
I checked a firearm coming back from Detroit. Went to the counter, pointed to the "unloaded firearm" tags, and said "i need one of those, i have an unloaded firearm to check in my baggage."
She didn't know that i could do that. Insisted that I had to go talk to the TSA.
Nopenopenope.
"Ma'am, get your supervisor. I've done this several times, and it's simply a matter of filling out the tag, putting it in my luggage with the weapon"
So her solution at this point was to look over, and YELL ACROSS THE ROOM "HEY, SO AND SO, THIS GUY HAS A GUN"
Much to the terror of the other people in line, and much to my chagrin as the cops started moving quickly toward me.
Sigh.
Good news is, i'm pretty sure I got her fired.
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Yup . And no more truly unarmed passengers either.lots of tricks. And most important armament is tude.
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This is the truth. Say what you will about the war on terror, but the first victory in that war was in the skies over pennsylvania, when those passengers said "nope. Not happening."
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Funny thing . I've flown with a pair of kids. Outa dulles and national. And never experienced a big deal. Though my definition of experienced is probably different than yours. Mine means actually being there . I don't count you tube vids and blogger reports as "experience". Ymmv. Maybe if you recounted your horriffic experiences it would help me.
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OMG, you flew once and nothing bad happened?!?!!?!? Well, obviously there's no problem there then.
Also, just to be clear, are you claiming TSA doesn't grope people, or are you just cool with it happening?
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OMG, you flew once and nothing bad happened?!?!!?!? Well, obviously there's no problem there then.
Also, just to be clear, are you claiming TSA doesn't grope people, or are you just cool with it happening?
i'm not a frequent flyer like you but we've flown a couple dozen times since 911. first with one kid then 2. if you think you get groped by tsa i bet you were nervous in the gym showers too.
and the zomg nudie scopes? rofl
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I checked a firearm coming back from Detroit. Went to the counter, pointed to the "unloaded firearm" tags, and said "i need one of those, i have an unloaded firearm to check in my baggage."
She didn't know that i could do that. Insisted that I had to go talk to the TSA.
how was tsa responsible for that?
all the security is annoying at worst.
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how was tsa responsible for that?
all the security is annoying at worst.
I didn't say the TSA was responsible for that. I merely related an annoying experience that I had.
And again, just because you and I have not been abused, does not mean it hasn't happened.
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i'm not a frequent flyer like you but we've flown a couple dozen times since 911. first with one kid then 2. if you think you get groped by tsa i bet you were nervous in the gym showers too.
and the zomg nudie scopes? rofl
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You know what, no. You're not worth it. I know my scorn won't affect you, cause making people angry on the internet is your hobby, but for whatever it's worth please know that I have a complete and utter lack of respect for you. Thousands if not tens of thousands of folks get felt up by the TSA every day. The fact that either it hasn't happened to you, or that you're ok with being violated in that way are irrelevant. And try telling a sexual assault victim that what the TSA did to them wasn't invasive. You're big on first hand experience, so mock them to their face instead of hiding behind a keyboard like the pathetic coward you are.
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i'm not a frequent flyer like you but we've flown a couple dozen times since 911. first with one kid then 2. if you think you get groped by tsa i bet you were nervous in the gym showers too.
You're saying it like being nervous in a gym shower is some kind of terrible sign of human corruption that invalidates any opinion you might have.
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You know what, no. You're not worth it. I know my scorn won't affect you, cause making people angry on the internet is your hobby, but for whatever it's worth please know that I have a complete and utter lack of respect for you. Thousands if not tens of thousands of folks get felt up by the TSA every day. The fact that either it hasn't happened to you, or that you're ok with being violated in that way are irrelevant. And try telling a sexual assault victim that what the TSA did to them wasn't invasive. You're big on first hand experience, so mock them to their face instead of hiding behind a keyboard like the pathetic coward you are.
http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/you-vs-tsa-how-to-choose-between-body-scanners-and-pat-downs.html?id=7307216
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You're saying it like being nervous in a gym shower is some kind of terrible sign of human corruption that invalidates any opinion you might have.
or in real life i'm saying that the gym showers were way more invasive
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I didn't say the TSA was responsible for that. I merely related an annoying experience that I had.
And again, just because you and I have not been abused, does not mean it hasn't happened.
and when it actually happens it needs to be dealt with severely.
most of the zomg and bombast? not so much
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In this case I'm happy that I've never been in a school that used them.
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and when it actually happens it needs to be dealt with severely.
most of the zomg and bombast? not so much
And yet, when it does happen, it's not dealt with severely.
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And yet, when it does happen, it's not dealt with severely.
and part of the way that happens is that the ones that need to be slapped unconscious can hide their actions in the blizzard of "less serious/credible" complaints. in much the same way a bogus rape claim clouds the waters for a real one.
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Maybe if you recounted your horriffic experiences it would help me
I consider what the TSA does to every passenger on a daily basis horrific, at least based on the fantasy that this is a free country. :mad:
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Real life: prior to 9-11 I could call in or order an e-ticket online, show up at the gate with 15 minutes to wheels-up, and board. Security was cursory. I carried a short [locking] pocket knife. Everywhere. Always. They glanced at it, gave it back, and I was outta there.
Fake life: post 9-11 I take my shoes off, often my belt, empty my pockets, blah, blah, blah, wade through molasses security, get dressed, carry on. The process takes so much longer that I will drive if the total drive time is not more than an hour or two more than the flight.
I drove to Vegas from Reno rather than fly because it was net-net less trouble than the long security lines, the drive was only a couple of hours longer than the drive-to-airport-park-stand-in-line-board-fly-disembark-rent-car-return-car-stand-in-line-board-fly-disembark-find-car-pay-for-parking-drive-home drill. I was able to carry stuff with me that airlines frown on, travel at my own pace, in my own space. Going down, I arrived two hours behind our team. Going back, I got home a day later because I had "itinerary flexibility" and got to visit friends.
I have a friend who's become an expert at air travel. He packs just so. He wears loafers. He optimizes his carry-on and checked bags. It's an art form for him.
It seems to have escaped him that his one-hour flights are now two-hour flights. He's pleased that he "suffers less" than the other travelers. "Making the best" of things. He has forgotten that it's costing him at least an hour at both ends, and often quite a bit more.
I, on the other hand, have arranged my life so that I fly almost never. My vacations don't involve air travel.
Perhaps the whole "enhanced security" cost and the forfeiture of dignity are acceptable to some. My observation is that it's more about a culture of quiet resentment among those who remember travel before anxiety became compulsory.
I haven't done any kind of thorough analysis, but prima facie what we're currently doing is costly and wasteful -- never mind degrading -- and I would wager that most of the members here could offer more viable alternatives.
Want to have some fun? Put me in charge of airline security. After the initial year of chaos, I'll bet I'd have a system that cost less, moved people faster, and (aside from the victims of my profiling) was more acceptable to the vast majority of travelers.
And if I fail in this endeavor, I will step down and we can appoint Fistful to the position.
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I don't see why I should have to alter my choice of clothes just to travel. :mad:
Plus, back when I was still flying, I would often be going from below freezing weather to sixty degrees, and then back again. :facepalm:
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I drove from VA to central Florida this winter. "Why don't you just fly?" Oh, I dunno, come and go when I please, seein things that I may never see again, got there with all my stuff including guns, got nowhere near TSA trolls. I call that a win.
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The lives of all airline passengers will now be in peril from teensy little non-locking blades. Oh, the horrors.
Much more dangerous than a steel ball point pen driven into an eye or throat, a garrote made from a shoestring, a bludgeon made from a seatbelt extension, a nice hardwood cane. Or, what is also currently allowed on planes, a pair of scissors with FOUR INCH blades and contoured handles.
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Meanwhile today in bizarro world I rode a 737 with two large pocket knives, as much carry-on that I could carry on, cig lighters, god knows what else the TSA would hate. I love DOD travel.
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So, are box cutters legal now?
Most box cutters have a locking blade.
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Or, what is also currently allowed on planes, a pair of scissors with FOUR INCH blades and contoured handles.
So DHS and TSA are forcing you into choosing scissors just like they recommend ehhhh? Very clever.
I fly as infrequently as possible.
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So DHS and TSA are forcing you into choosing scissors just like they recommend ehhhh? Very clever.
I fly as infrequently as possible.
What if I choose Rock ???
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I had two negative experiences with TSA. One was a TSA guy intentionally feeling up a very attractive young lady, who was my buddy's fiance. My buddy was there, saw this and flipped out. Nearly led to a brawl. We probably would have curb stomped them, even without loading our rifles. Would have been epic. Except for the fact that we would have been thrown to the wolves. If a soldier sexually assaults someone, or it's even just alleged, it's friggin world news. If a TSA employee sexually assaults someone on tape, nothing.
The other was me explaining that I'd have the FBI arrest the entire lot of TSA employees if they tried stealing my laptop. TSA employees do not have TS clearances, last I heard. They wanted to search my government laptop for explosives. Outside of my presence. I showed them my orders (including "transporting classified material" part), government ID, blue carrier card, government paying for my flight, etc. I was carrying information regarding the pending invasion of Iraq. I didn't play tough guy. Just explained that they were trying to break the law, I'd legally have to report the breach of national security or *I* would go to jail. Got "randomly searched" a lot after that.
This is the truth. Say what you will about the war on terror, but the first victory in that war was in the skies over Pennsylvania, when those passengers said "nope. Not happening."
Last time insurgents tried invading my state, we basically said the same thing and crushed them. You'd think insurgents, rebels and/or terrorists would learn to avoid us. Seriously.
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What if I choose Rock ???
Curses! :mad:
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What if I choose Rock ???
Well played, sir.
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http://www.smartertravel.com/travel-advice/you-vs-tsa-how-to-choose-between-body-scanners-and-pat-downs.html?id=7307216
Addresses nothing. I'm still waiting for the video of you mocking the sexual assault victims who think that getting felt up by the TSA was invasive. You're always so big on internet tough guys putting their money where their mouth is, let's see you do the same. Or are you just willing to say that online instead of to their face like the "heroes of the revolution" you like making fun of so much?
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Addresses nothing. I'm still waiting for the video of you mocking the sexual assault victims who think that getting felt up by the TSA was invasive. You're always so big on internet tough guys putting their money where their mouth is, let's see you do the same. Or are you just willing to say that online instead of to their face like the "heroes of the revolution" you like making fun of so much?
i m not much into abusing the already abused. might suggest the scanner to them.
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Is there not a smidgen of irony in the above?
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i m not much into abusing the already abused. might suggest the scanner to them.
So that they can have someone(s) leering at an image of their naked body, instead? One detailed enough, as the saying goes, to determine a male's religion?
Yeah, there's no good choice in what you seem content to offer them.
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So you're willing to mock people on the internet, but not face to face? Sounds about right.
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So that they can have someone(s) leering at an image of their naked body, instead? One detailed enough, as the saying goes, to determine a male's religion?
Yeah, there's no good choice in what you seem content to offer them.
have you seen the actual scans?
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4679900388000396&pid=15.1
or you like this one better?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4995820960810345&pid=15.1
like milking a mouse lots of activity lil result
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have you seen the actual scans?
http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4679900388000396&pid=15.1
or you like this one better?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4995820960810345&pid=15.1
like milking a mouse lots of activity lil result
Yes, in fact, I have - and not the hoax photo you posted in the first link (debunked within minutes of first appearance, years ago), or the derezzed sample which followed either. Benefits of being a member of FlyerTalk.com's Travel Safety and Security board, I guess - the people there have a vested interest in such things, and tend to turn up the actual goods. Try these instead: http://www.nudeoscope.com/Brochure/5a.pdf Like I said, when you can see nipples, labia, and whether or not the man's circumcized, I'm pretty satisfied to call that a nude image. Think that might be a little traumatizing to a sexual assault victim? How about the "resolution" followup groping which appears to result between a third to a half of the time ANYWAYS, which those who submit to the Nude-O-Scope cannot opt out of?
These images (on the brochure) were, IIRC, available on TS&S in *2008*. Note that the lower-res image to the right on the first page, which is still quite sufficient to give one an eyeful, is now *7* years old - what resolution are the scanners working at today, I wonder? The more-detailed one at the left, specifically stated by official sources (this was on the TSA's website for a while, though I don't believe it is any longer) to be "reduced resolution" - so the REAL picture was even more detailed - was IIRC a 2008 release. And that "software fix" they've been going on about? It's a crock - the machine's still taking, and storing, a nude image of the subject - it HAS to, in order to do the scan. Oh, they don't store it, the machines can't store the images? Proven a lie, by TSA's own requisition order. But then, they've ALWAYS lied, as their initial position on the Nude-O-Scope was that it would *NEVER* be the primary screening tool, you'd ALWAYS be able to choose the walkthrough metal detector and if necessary hand wanding. How's that working out again?
I'll agree that there are so many other reasons to detest the Terrorist Support Agency - but the above is still a valid one.
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There's a blog by a former tsa employee that says that although the screen on the scanner shows an obscure photo, there exists a control room with no surveillance that shows the nudie image
Taking sense away is the name of the blog
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And now a Congressman wants to introduce a bill to force TSA to reverse their decision.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/12/mass-congressman-submitting-bill-to-keep-knives-out-airplane-cabins/
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I ordered a folding knife with a 6 cm blade just so I can carry one when I fly without a checked bag. A Buck 385 "toothpick" (1/3 the price of a Case), and it got here yesterday. I didn't realize how tiny it would be! and this idiot thinks they should be banned again. A fountain pen or knitting needle (never were banned) would be more dangerous.