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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2012, 02:33:50 PM »
nice pic with the three rovers.  i knew curiosity is bigger, but i didn't realize the size difference between the other two.   i am curious as to why they went with a reactor rather than solar?  was it strictly a weight/size issue?
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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2012, 04:00:05 PM »
nice pic with the three rovers.  i knew curiosity is bigger, but i didn't realize the size difference between the other two.   i am curious as to why they went with a reactor rather than solar?  was it strictly a weight/size issue?

Mars is marginal for Solar Power even under ideal circumstances, like... in space in Mars orbit where you can get sunlight 24/7. On the surface where it's night half the time, and there's also Martian dust which gets on the panels too. Plus, you can't drive or explore and guarantee the panels are even close to their ideal angle for the sun.  And like Earth, Mars has seasons too, so there's a winter (about twice as long) where that hemisphere is getting sunlight at an even lower angle.  The earlier solar rovers even got "saved" once or twice by a lucky wind storm (such as it is, about the half a percent the pressure as Earth sea-level..) cleaning the dust off the panels allowing them to get more work out of the rover.

The inverse square law by which light and electromagnetic radiation is a bitch.  Mars is half again as far out from the sun as Earth is.

The other problem is the extreme cold. It affects science instruments and electronics, motors etc. and trying to warm things up with solar and batteries (which also take a hit from the cold) is a huge power drain. Or you just don't do it at all. The nuclear RTG allows for a lot more power, and a reliable source of heat to keep things running better. Probes operating around Mars and further often have Plutonium pellets that are not part of the main RTG secreted about their structure so waste heat can transmit through it's mass and keep things just warm enough so they don't seize up.


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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2012, 04:18:17 PM »
I am not certain that I would call a radioisotope thermoelectric generator a nuclear reactor, per se.
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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2012, 05:02:47 PM »
I am not certain that I would call a radioisotope thermoelectric generator a nuclear reactor, per se.

Regardless, when can I get one to run my pickup  ???
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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2012, 05:18:01 PM »
There are still some 'forgotten' ones along the Siberian coast, where they were used by the Soviets to power automated lighthouses and navigation beacons.  I wonder if they are now guarded by giant mutated polar bears from the radiation leakage......
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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2012, 05:38:21 PM »
IIRC Chesapeake Light off Virgina Beach is "nuke powered".
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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2012, 07:35:55 PM »
I am not certain that I would call a radioisotope thermoelectric generator a nuclear reactor, per se.

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Is that a compressed plutonium isotope encased in a thermocouple?  Or is this something new? 
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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2012, 09:21:14 PM »
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Is that a compressed plutonium isotope encased in a thermocouple?  Or is this something new? 

Not compressed.  The standard NASA RTGs use a plutonium-238 dioxide ceramic fuel pellet encased in iridium, with two of those embedded in a carbon-carbon block.  A bunch of those are surrounded by thermocouples and radiator fins.  the heat source is the GPHS-RTG (general purpose heat source--RTG)

The same pellets and cases are used singly for heating in the previous rovers.

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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #33 on: August 08, 2012, 12:03:42 AM »
Not compressed.  The standard NASA RTGs use a plutonium-238 dioxide ceramic fuel pellet encased in iridium, with two of those embedded in a carbon-carbon block.  A bunch of those are surrounded by thermocouples and radiator fins.  the heat source is the GPHS-RTG (general purpose heat source--RTG)

The same pellets and cases are used singly for heating in the previous rovers.
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Re: Mars Curiosity Rover
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2012, 12:21:30 AM »
Probes operating around Mars and further often have Plutonium pellets that are not part of the main RTG secreted about their structure so waste heat can transmit through it's mass and keep things just warm enough so they don't seize up.

The Lunar rovers took radioisotope heating of thermally critical elements to the Nth degree by using Po-210 for those elements. A single kilogram of Po-210 puts out enough thermal energy to melt and then vaporize itself, something on the order of 140 kilowatts. Pretty short duration though with a 138 day half-life.