I think this is the worst of the Planned Parenthood videos

[Boomhauer]

I'm probably closer to pro-choice than most in this thread,  but let me see if I have this straight:


So we have an organization that is admittedly based in eugenics, cutting apart live infants, so that their body parts can be used in experiments?


At that point is it actually Godwining to mention Nazi's?  The comparison kinda makes itself. ......

All they are are Nazis without the fancy uniforms

[Perd Hapley]

All they are are Nazis without the fancy uniforms

And no Allied forces to stop them, try them, and hang them.

[brimic]

I'm probably closer to pro-choice than most in this thread,  but let me see if I have this straight:


So we have an organization that is admittedly based in eugenics, cutting apart live infants, so that their body parts can be used in experiments?


At that point is it actually Godwining to mention Nazi's?  The comparison kinda makes itself. ......

The calling out of people using a 'nazi" comparison is a meme of the left. Nazis are often a very good comparison to the 'ends justify the means' ideas and movements of the left because their idealism is rooted in the same blighted stump.
The only thing that amazes me is that they disparage naziism and worship stalin and mao in the same breath.

Seriously, *expletive deleted*ck the abortionists. They gave up their humanity by not only destroying it, but making a mockery of killing the weakest among us. They have reduced themselves to being mere animals. 

[roo_ster]

Seems sort of like a repaganization of western culture.  Chucking aside christianity and its ethical monotheism left a vacuum and this sort of expedience as ethics fills that vacuum. 

Rome and greece also have a huge hand in shaping the west but their ethical moral systems would have been ok with this.  It took christianity to bring in the sort of universalist ethics the west was known for.

I think naziism can be understood as a revival of pagan ethics in germany and a rejection of ethical monotheism in general and christianity in particular.

[tokugawa]

By and large, these are the same people who don't want you to have a gun. What sort of plans do you suppose they have in mind for you?

[brimic]

By and large, these are the same people who don't want you to have a gun. What sort of plans do you suppose they have in mind for you?

They also seem to love importing islam and sharia law, that combination isn't going to turn out well for them in the long run.

[lupinus]

So being a guard at a concentration camp, like Dachau, where the prisoners are only starved to death is OK, but being one at a death camp, like Sobibor, is evil.


Good to know.
 - Dr. Dietrich Bonhoeffer

Abortion is evil. Is everyone who is ok with it evil themselves? I don't know. But I do think that there is a difference between someone who buys into the "it's a clump of cells" BS, and someone who can get giddy at the idea of ripping the face off an infant to harvest it's brain.


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[De Selby]

They also seem to love importing islam and sharia law, that combination isn't going to turn out well for them in the long run.

This thread reminds me of the old Saturday night live skit with Chevy Chase:  the blame game.

Are there any other suspicious minorities/non-WASPs we can add to the list as being responsible for commoditising babies?  Certainly we should not blame capitalism - the bare free market would never have done this.

[cordex]

Certainly we should not blame capitalism - the bare free market would never have done this.

Because socialism's track record on human rights is so much better?  Or because the US healthcare market is a paragon of a free market?

[RevDisk]

I think naziism can be understood as a revival of pagan ethics in germany and a rejection of ethical monotheism in general and christianity in particular.

Uh. Wut?

Hitler was at best, marginally Christian. Better to say, he was pragmatically Christian. He seemed to care little for religion, but seemed to acknowledge God and knew it was politically advantageous to be religious. He was actively dismissive of occult and mysticism. Some folks up in the upper ranks were into astrology (which is not necessarily related to paganism). Himmler was into paganism. Though specifically the Germanic mythology variation. As opposed to Druid, Roman or Greek paganism. Even Asatru, the modern Nordic and specifically not Aryan pagan mythology, has been visibly distancing themselves from racial discrimination, and generally trying to move away from racialism.

Nazism was rather kosher with monotheism. The vastly overwhelming majority of Nazis were specifically Christian. They put "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles. If you're labeling military gear with religious slogans, it's probably not a rejection of monotheism.

[RoadKingLarry]

This thread reminds me of the old Saturday night live skit with Chevy Chase:  the blame game.

Are there any other suspicious minorities/non-WASPs we can add to the list as being responsible for commoditising babies?  Certainly we should not blame capitalism - the bare free market would never have done this.

So....Basically, you fully support PP's goals and methods, got it.

[Ron]

Do grandma and grandpa have any usable parts?

Gotta get busy on encouraging them to check out early while they still have marketable pieces left.

[Firethorn]

The end justifies the means. The creature in the womb is not a human, but is useful for actual humans, so we are more than justified in cutting off that creature's face to get to its brain.

This is just buying into twisted propaganda, for the most part, or somebody who chose their wording poorly.

An early term fetus is still human.  For that matter, so aren't Henrietta Lacks' HeLa cells.

What they aren't is a person. 

It makes for a rather easy way to explain pro-choice anti-death penalty people.  They don't believe fetuses are people, thus don't deserve the protection a human does.  They do believe that a murderer is a person, and thus deserves protection.

[Monkeyleg]

So when does a human become a person?  What's the milestone?

[brimic]

This is just buying into twisted propaganda, for the most part, or somebody who chose their wording poorly.

An early term fetus is still human.  For that matter, so aren't Henrietta Lacks' HeLa cells.

What they aren't is a person. 

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Oh my.
Where did I leave that nazi clue bat when I need it.

[Ron]

So when does a human become a person?  What's the milestone?

What does it matter? What is a person? The byproduct of chaotic blind natural processes? A biochemical machine driven by its evolutionary imperative to survive?

Why should we be against eliminating without prejudice the offspring of humans who don't even have the common sense to use free contraception?

How do you even know if you qualify as a person?

Should we decide what it means to be human by voting on it? or maybe give the authority to decide to a bunch of robed elites?

Apropos question Monkeyleg. This post isn't directed at you personally.

[TommyGunn]

Uh. Wut?

Hitler was at best, marginally Christian. Better to say, he was pragmatically Christian. He seemed to care little for religion, but seemed to acknowledge God and knew it was politically advantageous to be religious. He was actively dismissive of occult and mysticism. Some folks up in the upper ranks were into astrology (which is not necessarily related to paganism). Himmler was into paganism. Though specifically the Germanic mythology variation. As opposed to Druid, Roman or Greek paganism. Even Asatru, the modern Nordic and specifically not Aryan pagan mythology, has been visibly distancing themselves from racial discrimination, and generally trying to move away from racialism.

Nazism was rather kosher with monotheism. The vastly overwhelming majority of Nazis were specifically Christian. They put "Gott mit uns" on their belt buckles. If you're labeling military gear with religious slogans, it's probably not a rejection of monotheism.

"Hitler was at best, marginally Christian. Better to say, he was pragmatically Christian."

Hitler payed some lip-service to Christianity, however he did force Nazi emblems into the church.  He also once stated; "you cannot be a good Christian and a good German at the same time."  So he sort of thought that there was a real divergence between the two.  I'd agree if he had used the term "Nazi" instead of "German" but I rather think there have been many Germans who considered themselves both good Germans and Christians.


"They put 'Gott mit uns' on their belt buckles. If you're labeling military gear with religious slogans, it's probably not a rejection of monotheism."

The German army had, in fact, adopted the "Gott mit uns" ("God is with us") as their motto in 1871, long before Hitler was even born let alone assumed power.  Therefor I highly doubt its presence on military belt buckles says anything about what Hitler, or other Nazis, thought about monotheism.

[De Selby]

Because socialism's track record on human rights is so much better?  Or because the US healthcare market is a paragon of a free market?

You can't see the profit motive anywhere in those videos???  Looks like a pretty business-focused approach to me. 

This thread's nazi comparison is great irony - the most nazi like thing here isn't PP.  It's sitting around deciding that our most hated minorities and ideologies are killing babies - that's exactly what the nazis did.

[makattak]

What does it matter? What is a person? The byproduct of chaotic blind natural processes? A biochemical machine driven by its evolutionary imperative to survive?

Why should we be against eliminating without prejudice the offspring of humans who don't even have the common sense to use free contraception?

How do you even know if you qualify as a person?

Should we decide what it means to be human by voting on it? or maybe give the authority to decide to a bunch of robed elites?

Apropos question Monkeyleg. This post isn't directed at you personally.

You know what? I have no idea when a human becomes a "person" which is purposely chosen for its nebulous-ness.

I do know one thing. It's a principle I learned from hunting. If you aren't absolutely certain that your target is both what you aim to kill AND not human, you don't take the shot.

Uncertainty means you don't kill it.

It's also interesting how the side of SCIENCE!!11! purposely makes the debate about a metaphysical idea when it wants to defend killing babies.

[dogmush]

You can't see the profit motive anywhere in those videos???  Looks like a pretty business-focused approach to me. 

This thread's nazi comparison is great irony - the most nazi like thing here isn't PP.  It's sitting around deciding that our most hated minorities and ideologies are killing babies - that's exactly what the nazis did.

You need to check in with your fellows. The party line is that there's no profit or even any monetary motive behind the harvesting.

Not sure which minority you think is being hated on here,  but as far aso ideologies killing babies,  there seems to be video evidence of the acts.  Not sure how that's "deciding"

[cordex]

You can't see the profit motive anywhere in those videos???  Looks like a pretty business-focused approach to me.  

The most horrifying thing is the slaughter of babies in the first place. Custom killing and parting them out for cash is horrific not because of profit but because they are being killed in the first place.  That you are offended by profit or business (which can certainly be evil or run evilly) simply shows your priorities.

This thread's nazi comparison is great irony - the most nazi like thing here isn't PP.  It's sitting around deciding that our most hated minorities and ideologies are killing babies - that's exactly what the nazis did.

Except the Jews weren't, you know, actually killing Gentile babies. Do you allege that this is a case of PP being demonized through false accusations?  And what "hated minorities" are you referring to?

Also, you just attempted to lay the fault for the butchered babies at the feet of an ideology you despise, then in the same post have the guts to accuse others of being like Nazis for trying to do exactly that?  Niiiiice.

[brimic]

You can't see the profit motive anywhere in those videos???  Looks like a pretty business-focused approach to me. 

This thread's nazi comparison is great irony - the most nazi like thing here isn't PP.  It's sitting around deciding that our most hated minorities and ideologies are killing babies - that's exactly what the nazis did.

That word irony- I don't think it means what you think it means.
Google the words 'margaret sanger' and see what she said about about killing minorities and what organization she founded.

[Ron]

You know what? I have no idea when a human becomes a "person" which is purposely chosen for its nebulous-ness.

I do know one thing. It's a principle I learned from hunting. If you aren't absolutely certain that your target is both what you aim to kill AND not human, you don't take the shot.

Uncertainty means you don't kill it.

It's also interesting how the side of SCIENCE!!11! purposely makes the debate about a metaphysical idea when it wants to defend killing babies.

Exactly, when a baby is considered a person seems to be based only on convenience to these monsters.

The science damns them as well as all human moral systems except for maybe those who worshiped Moloch.

[Perd Hapley]

It's also interesting how the side of SCIENCE!!11! purposely makes the debate about a metaphysical idea when it wants to defend killing babies.

And they like to accuse us of making it about religion. Even when we don't.

(FWIW, I'm not saying "personhood" is always a religious concept, but surely if I can't base my politics on religion, then you can't base yours on your own non-provable philosophy.)

[De Selby]

You need to check in with your fellows. The party line is that there's no profit or even any monetary motive behind the harvesting.

Not sure which minority you think is being hated on here,  but as far aso ideologies killing babies,  there seems to be video evidence of the acts.  Not sure how that's "deciding"

Muslims, socialists, the left generally are blamed in this thread - there's an awesome list by rooster on another thread about child molesters (basically everyone except whites, Asians, and Jews).

No mention of the big pharma types buying the baby parts or moves to protest their stock - just PP. 

It's literally an SNL skit.