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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Balog on February 23, 2012, 11:29:56 AM
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Fascinating article on two new libertarian (well, so described. One actually sounds more hippie/commune than Ayn Rand) enclaves in Honduras. Be very interesting to see how these develop.
http://www.economist.com/node/21541391
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I wish them the best of luck. They're gonna need it.
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It's Patri Friedman.
I take everything he does with a grain of salt.
Remember the Seasteading INstitute, promising a 'prototype seastead by 2010'?
I fail to be excited by this Free Cities thing. At best, it's going to give the inhabitants some freedom from Honduras' economic regulations. This is cool, but to get to personal freedom you need full sovereignty so you can get your own criminal law (and thus your own gun laws, drug laws, etc.).
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A thousand points of rebellion against The Machine.
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It's Patri Friedman.
I take everything he does with a grain of salt.
Remember the Seasteading INstitute, promising a 'prototype seastead by 2010'?
Are these the ones promoting the Freedom Ship 4 or 5 years ago?
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Just off the top of my head, the way I see it, the main fault in almost kind of utopianism is it has to be pretty big to survive. And as soon as it gets pretty big, you get some bad apples in it. And as soon as you get some bad apples in it, you've gotta make laws against the bad apple-ness.
Well, you know, just as an example, the FDA was formed to protect us collectively against unscrupulous "bad apple" distributors of meat, milk, veggies, etc. Just as an example.
Yeah, some laws are specious, but a lot of licensing laws are borne of things like that --a proper reaction to "bad-appleness."
This is also not to say that everything is just hunky-dory with today's burden of over-regulation, but the way to handle this is to de-elect the bounders through normal processes.
Or by limiting all legislative sessions to 2 days a year and knock off all the perks that were voted in by the aforesaid bounders themselves.
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No, Big is the problem. It can only work Small.
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^ That's what I was basically saying. When it gets too big, it'll work, but by then you've necessarily lost the utopian ideals.
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If it gets too big they should break it up into smaller semi autonomous states that together will form a confederation united under certain unalienable principles.
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If it gets too big they should break it up into smaller semi autonomous states that together will form a confederation united under certain unalienable principles.
Been tried. Became socialist country under centerally run government. [tinfoil]
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Been tried. Became socialist country under centerally run government. [tinfoil]
No, no it didn't.
Worked pretty fine from where I sit.
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No, no it didn't.
Worked pretty fine from where I sit.
The filter of distance?
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The filter of distance?
More likely comparing it to Israel... America certainly isn't what it was or could be, but it's still better than most other places.
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And in some ways better than it used to be.
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If it gets too big they should break it up into smaller semi autonomous states that together will form a confederation united under certain unalienable principles.
I am your King and I order you to be quiet!
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If it gets too big they should break it up into smaller semi autonomous states that together will form a confederation united under certain unalienable principles.
To be fair, the Articles of Confederation weren't a success which is what led to the current Constitution with it's stronger fed.gov. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation