Gut feeling: Churches will take lead in the lockdown revolt

[Brad Johnson]

More and more churches essentially telling their respective state Governors to stick lockdowns where the sun don't shine.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-pastor-rips-up-cease-and-desist-letter-mid-sermon-were-gonna-do-it-gods-way

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-new-jersey-gov-reopen-church-service-sunday

Gut is telling me that churches will end up being the figurehead for constitutional (meaning legal) scrutiny of lockdown orders. A banding together of the country's religious populations will make the perceived influence and outcry intensity of the NRA or AARP look look downright inconsequential, comparatively speaking.

Brad

[Perd Hapley]

You're telling me the Bible lobby is going to buy Congress from the NRA?

[makattak]

You're telling me the Bible lobby is going to buy Congress from the NRA?

Hey, you make a lot of money off the best selling book of all time.

[Perd Hapley]

Hey, you make a lot of money off the best selling book of all time.

Low overhead - the KJV's copyright ran out a long time ago.

(Unless you're in the UK. Sorry.)

[Hawkmoon]

Low overhead - the KJV's copyright ran out a long time ago.

(Unless you're in the UK. Sorry.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJS51d1Fzg

[AZRedhawk44]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StJS51d1Fzg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr0hb0gc2eQ

[Perd Hapley]

Someone allegedly burned down a church in Mississippi, and left a message calling them "hypokrites." I hope the arsonists practiced social distancing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/498994-arson-suspected-in-destruction-of-mississippi-church-that-was-suing-over

If you're going to leave my church a nasty note, at least check your spelling.

[lee n. field]

Someone allegedly burned down a church in Mississippi, and left a message calling them "hypokrites." I hope the arsonists practiced social distancing.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/498994-arson-suspected-in-destruction-of-mississippi-church-that-was-suing-over

If you're going to leave my church a nasty note, at least check your spelling.

Oh, no.  The vandals know their Greek.  ὑποκριτής

[zxcvbob]

Oh, no.  The vandals know their Greek.  ὑποκριτής

Very good observation.  Bravo!  (that kinda suggests the pastor, right?)

[charby]

I think we have been off church lockdown for close to 3 weeks, most churches around me are self refusing to open. Of course they had already stepped into the 21 century a few years before Covid-19 and were already live streaming Sunday service or at least making DVD recordings to be delivered later that day. We got blizzards and a lot of older people, made sense for them to do this to keep those that can't make it to service to be involved. Even the local TV stations carry Lutheran and Catholic masses on the . (dot) channels on Sunday AM. That was odd for me since I haven't seen a televised Sunday service on over the air TV since I was a kid. We don't have a lot Pentecostal churches here, but we got more Reformed churches than you can shake stick at.

[Angel Eyes]

https://babylonbee.com/news/im-glad-were-closing-churches-for-public-safety-says-woman-in-line-at-walmart

[Perd Hapley]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/thousands-of-churches-stand-up-to-democratic-governors-lockdown-orders-we-are-opening-period

[makattak]

I have to say, I completely did not expect the Chinese Virus to finally pull off the thin mask and fully expose the hatred the left has for churches.

[WLJ]

I have to say, I completely did not expect the Chinese Virus to finally pull off the thin mask and fully expose the hatred the left has for churches.

I wasn't aware they were ever wearing a mask

[zxcvbob]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/thousands-of-churches-stand-up-to-democratic-governors-lockdown-orders-we-are-opening-period

I'm glad I took a year off from our church's leadership.  We have been doing online services, and the pastor created a second Facebook page for members only (and regular attenders who act like members.)   I would be very tempted to hold services this weekend out of solidarity with the MN Catholics and LCMSs as much as anything else.  OTOH, much of our congregation is >80 years old and some of them don't have a lot of sense.

I think we're planning to open the doors again in 2 weeks.

[Perd Hapley]

Bully for these churches. "We must obey God, rather than men." Thank God there are some Americans left.

Just speaking for my own church's experience, I don't feel that our rights were violated. I can't speak for everybody, but I think we wanted to take precautions, and we were willing to limit our crowd size for a while. We were already live-streaming the services, and those of us who were determined to come just kept showing up. We didn't really chafe under that state of things until Easter, and that's when we got our radio transmitter, and started doing drive-in services.  

Also, we don't have communion or baptisms very often (though I'd change that, if I could), so it's easier to hold services virtually. There are plenty of churches that regard communion and baptism as central to their regular services. And though we can put a man on the moon, we can't yet virtually commune or baptize him there.

We're having regular services again, starting this weekend.

[lee n. field]

More and more churches essentially telling their respective state Governors to stick lockdowns where the sun don't shine.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/baltimore-pastor-rips-up-cease-and-desist-letter-mid-sermon-were-gonna-do-it-gods-way

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-new-jersey-gov-reopen-church-service-sunday

Gut is telling me that churches will end up being the figurehead for constitutional (meaning legal) scrutiny of lockdown orders. A banding together of the country's religious populations will make the perceived influence and outcry intensity of the NRA or AARP look look downright inconsequential, comparatively speaking.

Brad

Maybe yes, maybe no.

What I'm hearing is that there are churches actually taking the gov't money for non-profits.   Seems unwise.

[makattak]

And though we can put a man on the moon, we can't yet virtually commune or baptize him there.

Buzz Aldrin took communion on the moon.

Just some random trivia for your there.

[Ron]

Trump just declared churches as essential.

[charby]

Trump just declared churches as essential.

He just guaranteed a lot of people to show up in November.

[AZRedhawk44]

Buzz Aldrin took communion on the moon.

Just some random trivia for your there.

That's fascinating.  Got a link for full details of how that worked?

[TommyGunn]

He just guaranteed a lot of people to show up in November.

[makattak]

That's fascinating.  Got a link for full details of how that worked?

https://www.history.com/news/buzz-aldrin-communion-apollo-11-nasa

I have a problem with the "and NASA kept it a secret" considering I read it in the 1970 edition of "First On the Moon".

They didn't publicize it like earlier events, but it wasn't exactly secret either. (The article goes into it, but it has a clickbait headline.)

[AZRedhawk44]

Thank you, mak.

I was wondering if it was Catholic or not, seeing it was Presbyterian makes more sense, though the article does mention three astronauts later taking communion on Endeavor.  I was wondering how sacrament would be stored on the shuttle or administered in that context and evidently it was administered by a lay Catholic eucharistic minister who just happened to also be an astronaut.  Evolutions of dogma are fascinating to me, and I wonder at religion's capacity to exist as humans push past Earth and how it will change. 

I expect that exceptions to dogma will be provided for faith members that push human frontiers like this.  When SpaceX sends people on the possible 1-way voyage to Mars in the next 10-ish years to hopefully build a fuel plant to enable return, how many might be Catholic or Muslim?  How will they cope with the lack of clergy or the need to pray to Mecca?  Can confession and absolution be done over email or the DSN?  Last rites?

It's thread veer, I admit.  But I find it interesting.

[Perd Hapley]

Buzz Aldrin took communion on the moon.

Just some random trivia for your there.

Funny thing is, I actually read/heard about that a couple of times in the last several months. Now I feel even dumber than if I'd never heard about it.