Vegas strip mass shooting!

[RoadKingLarry]

I always thought "military grade" meant  "built by the lowest bidder".

Anybody impressed with "military grade" ain't never been in the military.

[Hawkmoon]

As always, the usual suspects are delusional.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-las-vegas-shooting-live-updates-at-his-local-starbucks-vegas-shooter-1507060195-htmlstory.html

Scroll down about halfway, to the segment "Republicans are unwilling to consider new gun safety laws as Democrats plead with Trump to intervene"

Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said only Trump could change the stalemate in Congress, which has been unable to approve new gun safety bills, despite majority public support after the nation's repeated mass shootings.

"A small powerful lobby that represents a vast minority — a very small minority — of Americans seems to have a stranglehold on the Republican Party," Schumer said, referring to gun rights advocates, including the National Rifle Assn.

"Let's see if he has the courage, the willpower to say, 'I’m going to break with that small group' and do something that makes common sense and Americans — in overwhelming numbers, Democrats, Republicans and independents — want."

I sense a repeat of the strategy of, if you tell a lie often enough, sooner or later people start to believe it. So here's Chuckie, repeating the lie that it's only a small -- VERY small -- minority of Americans who don't want more gun control. And that "overwhelming" numbers of Americans want more gun control. If that were true, we'd be genuflecting to Her Royal Highness, President Hillary.

[Ben]

Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said only Trump could change the stalemate in Congress, which has been unable to approve new gun safety bills, despite majority public support after the nation's repeated mass shootings.

"A small powerful lobby that represents a vast minority — a very small minority — of Americans seems to have a stranglehold on the Republican Party," Schumer said, referring to gun rights advocates, including the National Rifle Assn.

"Let's see if he has the courage, the willpower to say, 'I’m going to break with that small group' and do something that makes common sense and Americans — in overwhelming numbers, Democrats, Republicans and independents — want."

Now they should speak up about planned parenthood, which gives like a bajillion more dollars to politicians than the NRA does. I saw Steve Scalice said that his views on gun rights are now stronger than ever. That pretty much made lib heads explode.

[Perd Hapley]

I like how he changes "vast minority" to "very small minority."

One funny thing about the "but what if he had a silencer" people is that they don't seem to realize that he could have had silencers, if he wanted them. Whether legally, or illegally. Nobody tell them that they're actually available to those with patience and money.

[French G.]

Now I am a very small minority? Well, bring on the minority rights! I do yearn for the days when we were a vast right wing conspiracy though.

Back on the suppressor thing, it could have made this or a similar situation worse if the reduced muzzle visual signature made counterfire harder to target. But I have seen no reports of counterfire and in any case he was located by smoke alarm.

[Hawkmoon]

I like how he changes "vast minority" to "very small minority."

Definitely a mixed metaphor, for sure. A minority is still a minority, so how "vast" can it be? Especially if it's a very small vast minority. Even a vast minority is, I suppose, less than a small majority.

Reminds me of the joke about the APB put out by the police after a midget fortune teller robbed a bank and escaped:

"Small medium at large."

[Angel Eyes]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-las-vegas-shooting-kass-1004-story.html

But let’s not forget that most killings aren’t committed by some lone sniper without apparent motive. The killings happen on the streets of big cities like Chicago, a city of strict gun control, where street gangs continue their slaughter and City Hall is powerless to stop them.

And America is numb to what happens in Chicago.

There are guns in the suburbs and in rural areas, and yet the suburbs aren’t killing fields. So if we’re going to have another gun debate, can’t we at least discuss culture, too?

I wonder how much longer Mr. Kass will be employed by the Tribune.

[Jamisjockey]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-met-las-vegas-shooting-kass-1004-story.html

I wonder how much longer Mr. Kass will be employed by the Tribune.

She's clearly culturally insensitive and should be reeducated. 

[lee n. field]

1) expect legislation banning bump fire.  The nooz is going ape *expletive deleted*it over the bump stocks.  Expect that to be the "compromise"

No great loss, except that no loss is good. 

2) Expect the ATF to clamp down on anything that might modify a weapon to fire faster. 
3)  Don't be surprised if they go after high capacity. Pictures show 60 round magazine in the AR that was equipped with bump stock.

Quad stack magazine, from the pic I saw.

4) Expect Trump to cave, and the house Republicans to cave, on some aspects of new gun control.

My 2 cents. 

The buzz on the book of faces says Paul Ryan has shelved SHARE.  <scowl>   The supressor thing was only one of the things this would have fixed.   "We really mean it" for the unmolested passage provisions of FOPA would have been very nice to get.

[Andiron]

The buzz on the book of faces says Paul Ryan has shelved SHARE.  <scowl>   The supressor thing was only one of the things this would have fixed.   "We really mean it" for the unmolested passage provisions of FOPA would have been very nice to get.

Little as I care for Ryan,  I can see the expedient part of that.  I can live with a postponement.

[Perd Hapley]

I'm sensing a theme!


http://www.dailywire.com/news/21892/professor-white-supremacist-patriarchy-responsible-paul-bois

White people and men are told that they are entitled to everything. This is what happens when they don't get what they want.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/21871/rapper-white-people-are-reason-why-guns-are-hank-berrien

WHITE PEOPLE SO SCARED THEY THE REASON WHY GUNS ARE A PROBLEM IF WHITE PEOPLE PUT DOWN THE GUNZ WE ALL BE SAFE BUT NOPE! THEY VILENT - Lil B

Yikes. Do they really want to compare rates of violence by race? 

[Hawkmoon]

Yikes. Do they really want to compare rates of violence by race? 

Of course not. They just want to tell white people that white people are the problem. Actual comparisons are so boring ... especially when they don't fit the narrative.

[Perd Hapley]

Of course not. They just want to tell white people that white people are the problem. Actual comparisons are so boring ... especially when they don't fit the narrative.

They must want them some Trump. Cuz datz how u getz Trump!

[Perd Hapley]

So Kurt Eichenwald used all of Twitter's bandwidth raving about how the NRA doesn't allow people to bring MAC-10s into their headquarters. Does anybody know what he's talking about? (I mean, since he doesn't, maybe someone else does.) Anyone know what NRA's policy is about visitors with guns?

[Ben]

LA Times is calling on readers to "fix" the 2nd Amendment.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/10/03/la-times-gives-readers-the-chance-to-rewrite-the-second-amendment-wapo-offers-fix/


Also, on the Kurt Eichendweeb thing, I find it interesting that he says "all guns but handguns and hunting rifles should be outlawed". He forgot about shotguns (Hi Joe Biden!). And what, now apparently the left is okay with handguns?

[Perd Hapley]

I'm glad he picked something with an unambiguous definition, like "hunting rifle."

[Hawkmoon]

Now I am a very small minority? Well, bring on the minority rights! I do yearn for the days when we were a vast right wing conspiracy though.

Back on the suppressor thing, it could have made this or a similar situation worse if the reduced muzzle visual signature made counterfire harder to target. But I have seen no reports of counterfire and in any case he was located by smoke alarm.

Counterfire? He was on the 32nd floor of an occupied hotel. Except for the two windows he had broken out, the glass was reflective coated. Counterfire was effectively impossible. I doubt of even Carlos Hathcock would have tried the shot.

[zxcvbob]

Counterfire? He was on the 32nd floor of an occupied hotel. Except for the two windows he had broken out, the glass was reflective coated. Counterfire was effectively impossible. I doubt of even Carlos Hathcock would have tried the shot.

Bllly Dixon coulda take him out!   

[freakazoid]

The buzz on the book of faces says Paul Ryan has shelved SHARE.  <scowl>   The supressor thing was only one of the things this would have fixed.   "We really mean it" for the unmolested passage provisions of FOPA would have been very nice to get.

Did they merely postpone voting on it, or did they basically throw it in the trash?

[Firethorn]

So Kurt Eichenwald used all of Twitter's bandwidth raving about how the NRA doesn't allow people to bring MAC-10s into their headquarters. Does anybody know what he's talking about? (I mean, since he doesn't, maybe someone else does.) Anyone know what NRA's policy is about visitors with guns?

From what I remember, it's "keep them in the holster unless you're in the gun range"

Back on the suppressor thing, it could have made this or a similar situation worse if the reduced muzzle visual signature made counterfire harder to target. But I have seen no reports of counterfire and in any case he was located by smoke alarm.

Apparently he was located because he shot a hotel security guard who was evacuating people.  Then committed suicide.  The guard was minorly injured.

[Scout26]

Counterfire? He was on the 32nd floor of an occupied hotel. Except for the two windows he had broken out, the glass was reflective coated. Counterfire was effectively impossible. I doubt of even Carlos Hathcock would have tried the shot.

Psycho dude was shooting at people 500 yards away.  That would have been a short putt for ol' Carlos. 

[KD5NRH]

Clearly, a ban on high capacity hotels would have saved many, since he wouldn't have gotten a good vantage point so easily.

And it's probably easier to get than a ban on "new country."

[wmenorr67]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html#

Now for some "humor" on the subject.  I could write a book on each of his points to debunk them.

[Perd Hapley]

And it's probably easier to get than a ban on "new country."

A ban on new country. That has possibilities.


Don't tell the New York Times, but this is a fisking:
http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/04/dear-jimmy-kimmel-stay-gun-debate-cant-honest/

[MechAg94]

Psycho dude was shooting at people 500 yards away.  That would have been a short putt for ol' Carlos. 

I was thinking if concealed handgun holders tried to fire back, they would probably end up putting bullets into nearby rooms.  If they did go through his windows, they would end up going through to other rooms.  You might still do it.  Police carbines could have been used. 

Has anyone heard how long the guy continued to fire?  I heard it was anywhere from 10 minutes to over an hour before they got into his room.  So how long did he continue to fire before he stopped?  I would have thought that sort of timeline would be out there.