Vegas strip mass shooting!

[Jamisjockey]

I was thinking if concealed handgun holders tried to fire back, they would probably end up putting bullets into nearby rooms.  If they did go through his windows, they would end up going through to other rooms.  You might still do it.  Police carbines could have been used. 

Has anyone heard how long the guy continued to fire?  I heard it was anywhere from 10 minutes to over an hour before they got into his room.  So how long did he continue to fire before he stopped?  I would have thought that sort of timeline would be out there.

I can't even picture the drop on a 9mm from a handgun at 500yds.  Anyone that says they would have returned fire from anywhere in the vicinity is a *expletive deleted*ing moron.

[makattak]

I was thinking if concealed handgun holders tried to fire back, they would probably end up putting bullets into nearby rooms.  If they did go through his windows, they would end up going through to other rooms.  You might still do it.  Police carbines could have been used.  

Has anyone heard how long the guy continued to fire?  I heard it was anywhere from 10 minutes to over an hour before they got into his room.  So how long did he continue to fire before he stopped?  I would have thought that sort of timeline would be out there.

500 yards, up to the 32nd Floor, with a pistol, offhand, while taking fire?

It would take an amazing marksman to even get to "nearby rooms". This is a circumstance where a concealed pistol would not be any help whatsoever.

[Ben]

Democrats also made calls for bills to enhance background checks, curb heavy-duty ammo and restrict high-capacity weapons.

I guess we have a new term now.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/04/dems-return-to-usual-script-on-gun-control-after-las-vegas-massacre.html

[Hawkmoon]

Psycho dude was shooting at people 500 yards away.  That would have been a short putt for ol' Carlos. 

Yes, but he was at an extreme angle of elevation, he was behind mirrored glass, and the walls of the hotel are basically sheetrock. The hotel was occupied. Where would a bullet go if it missed him, or passed through him?

Counterfire was really not an option.

[Hawkmoon]

Has anyone heard how long the guy continued to fire?  I heard it was anywhere from 10 minutes to over an hour before they got into his room.  So how long did he continue to fire before he stopped?  I would have thought that sort of timeline would be out there.

Nine minutes. After that he went quiet.

[TechMan]

I know all the deaths and injuries are on the ahole shooter, but I am with Chris, I want to see a breakdown of the deaths and injuries by type (i.e. Shot or Trampled.)

[TommyGunn]

https://www.naturalnews.com/2017-10-02-lone-gunman-theory-of-las-vegas-shooter-is-complete-nonsense-stephen-paddock.html#

Now for some "humor" on the subject.  I could write a book on each of his points to debunk them.

Wonderful...already the conspiracy theories start. 
So.."Lee Harvey Paddock" wasn't a lone gunman?

[Viking]

Someone pointed out that it is curious how /pol/ has yet to find anything on the guy, except for a possible match in the video from an anti-Trump rally in August. Either he had no social media nor internet presence...or someone's scrubbing stuff, and done a good job of it.

[makattak]

Someone pointed out that it is curious how /pol/ has yet to find anything on the guy, except for a possible match in the video from an anti-Trump rally in August. Either he had no social media nor internet presence...or someone's scrubbing stuff, and done a good job of it.

64 year old guy, doesn't appear to have any significant human connections, even to family. (Aside from the girlfriend).  It would not be surprising if he has little to no social media/internet presence.

Although that does leave the question of how did he meet his Filipina girlfriend.  

[Ben]

64 year old guy, doesn't appear to have any significant human connections, even to family. (Aside from the girlfriend).  It would not be surprising if he has little to no social media/internet presence.

Although that does leave the question of how did he meet his Filipina girlfriend.  

Yup, age is a factor on the info digging. You want to find social media interactions on me? Other than here, good luck. Where I do interact outside of APS, it's all extremely benign stuff. You'll find few political/social opinions by me anywhere else (except I guess, archival, from when I posted on THR, TFL, and a little Usenet). As the population ages, that will change, but for now, there is a large segment of >50 year olds that have little or no social media presence. That's practically unheard of for millennials.

On the girlfriend, everyone keeps saying she was a "high stakes hostess". I have no idea what that means, other than he probably met her at a casino.

[Hawkmoon]

64 year old guy, doesn't appear to have any significant human connections, even to family. (Aside from the girlfriend).  It would not be surprising if he has little to no social media/internet presence.

Although that does leave the question of how did he meet his Filipina girlfriend.  

Easy. He spent a lot of time in casinos. Her history includes having been a "high stakes hostess."

Agree with Ben on the social interaction stuff. I'm on this forum, the TFL forum, the M1911.org forum, and a Jeep club forum. Don't have a Twitter account, no Facebook, no LinkedIn, none of the "social media." Somebody with some moderate skills could probably penetrate my screen names without a lot of trouble, but the average search won't find much with my name on it except an occasional letter to the editor from many years ago, when people still read newspapers.

[Brad Johnson]

I'm in the same boat as Ben. Being a cautious type by nature, plus having two decades of professional experience where image played a big chunk in determining success, I keep personal online traffic as innocuous as possible except for very limited venues like APS. Even here I try to keep the tone relatively pedestrian.

Brad

[BlueStarLizzard]

So... What is heavy duty ammo?

I need to know so I can shock people by telling them how much of it I own, and while I'm betting whatever it is, we already have it, but in case we don't, obviously we need to stock up.

[MechAg94]

Anyone know how reliable this web site is?  The 3rd link has some video that seems to indicate gunfire from lower floors and claims multiple shooters. 

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-bellagio-hotel-shooters/
Las Vegas: Bellagio Hotel Guests And Staff Confirm Multiple Shooters

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-staff-gunmen/
Las Vegas Casino Staff Saw ‘Multiple Gunmen’ During Shooting

http://yournewswire.com/hotel-guest-las-vegas-shooter/
Hotel Guest Next Door To Las Vegas Shooter Saw ‘Multiple Gunmen’

http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-video-multiple-shootes/
Las Vegas: Video Footage Confirms Multiple Shooters, Co-ordinated Attack

[purequackery]

Psychiatric drugs were involved, so either the underlying condition he was being treated for was a bigger problem than the psychiatrist (scratch that, it was a GP) thought, or maybe it was relatively minor or not psych-related but the valium contributed to his full-on psychosis. Here comes the debate on psychiatry.

Records from the Nevada Prescription Monitoring Program obtained Tuesday show Paddock was prescribed 50 10-milligram diazepam tablets by Henderson physician Dr. Steven Winkler on June 21.

The Nevada state monitoring report also noted that Winkler prescribed 50 10-milligram tablets of diazepam to Paddock in 2016. He also filled that prescription the day it was written, this time at Evergreen Drugs in Henderson. It was for two tablets a day.

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-prescribed-anti-anxiety-drug-in-june/

[AJ Dual]

I can't even picture the drop on a 9mm from a handgun at 500yds.  Anyone that says they would have returned fire from anywhere in the vicinity is a *expletive deleted*ing moron.

Holdover for the 400-odd yards would be something like 32 feet for 9mm.

Unless you've got a Mauser Broomhandle or High Power Inglis with tangent sights, good frigging luck, because who the hell knows how much 32 feet looks like on the side of the gold mirror glass hotel at night?

[Angel Eyes]

And so it begins:  Feinstein wants a ban on bump stocks:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/dianne-feinstein-gun-control-bump-stocks/index.html

[dogmush]

And so it begins:  Feinstein wants a ban on bump stocks:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/dianne-feinstein-gun-control-bump-stocks/index.html

1. I think the Sen. is a liar.  If her daughter had actually been planning on going to that concert, she'd know the reason.  At most Feinstien Jr. said "that's a neat looking concert" at dinner one night.

2. The quotes from her bill that I have seen on FB so far as to be so vague as to be unenforceable, and I'm pretty sure she can't get it through congress.  I suspect she knows this and had something ready to go on the idea that she might get lucky and pass something, but worst case it gives her reelection ammo.  I suspect she is that cynical.

[TechMan]

And so it begins:  Feinstein wants a ban on bump stocks:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/dianne-feinstein-gun-control-bump-stocks/index.html

You know she would be the first to trample over the bodies to file a bill.

[230RN]

And so it begins:  Feinstein wants a ban on bump stocks:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/04/politics/dianne-feinstein-gun-control-bump-stocks/index.html

I wonder how she's thinking to ban bump fire belt loops and jeans pockets, too.

[AJ Dual]

I wonder how she's thinking to ban bump fire belt loops and jeans pockets, too.

Don't forget that there's a string on the NFA registry... (Note the little metal tag that contains it's serial number...)

https://www.everydaynodaysoff.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/shoestring-machinegun.jpg

[Perd Hapley]

1. I think the Sen. is a liar.  If her daughter had actually been planning on going to that concert, she'd know the reason.  At most Feinstien Jr. said "that's a neat looking concert" at dinner one night.

2. The quotes from her bill that I have seen on FB so far as to be so vague as to be unenforceable, and I'm pretty sure she can't get it through congress.  I suspect she knows this and had something ready to go on the idea that she might get lucky and pass something, but worst case it gives her reelection ammo.  I suspect she is that cynical.

Feinstein's daughter a country music fan? Possible, I suppose, but...


Oh, and move over, heavy-duty ammo:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock-made-his-guns-even-deadlier/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=43106336

...while the guns that Stephen Paddock used to shoot more than 500 people in Las Vegas fired automatic rounds, they were perfectly legal...

[T.O.M.]

Here's my thought.  Feinstein and company are going to take their biggest shot up front, in the wake of the tragedy with blood still on the pavement.  If stocks, cranks, binary triggers, etc. are her swing for the fence, things have certainly changed a lot.  And in our favor...

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going shopping for an AR before prices climb through the roof in the upcoming panic.

[Ben]

Hey, what's a "non-certified collector"?

https://twitchy.com/sd-3133/2017/10/04/2d-amendment-sucks-geraldo-makes-fact-free-case-against-guns/

[MillCreek]

We expect to see legislation introduced to ban bump stocks at the next session of the Washington Legislature.