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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2010, 09:27:52 AM »
100mm recoilless aircraft autocannon existed from the 1930's. Make orf that what you will.
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2010, 10:24:46 AM »
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2010, 10:42:58 AM »
Looks kinda small for eight people....unless they're hobbits or something....

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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #28 on: November 12, 2010, 09:42:45 PM »
Who the ____ is Francis?? ??? [popcorn]

Don't you play 'Left 4 Dead'?  That game ROCKS! 

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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #29 on: November 12, 2010, 11:55:31 PM »
I don't expect this to fare any better than the RAH 66.  Yea it may be a more modern design but in these budgetary times I don't see them approving production.

It may run for a decade or so as a development project and never go to production.  That seems to be the favorite way to waste money these days.  I don't have a lot of faith in gov't aircraft programs.

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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2010, 12:36:32 AM »
I don't expect this to fare any better than the RAH 66.  Yea it may be a more modern design but in these budgetary times I don't see them approving production.

It may run for a decade or so as a development project and never go to production.  That seems to be the favorite way to waste money these days.  I don't have a lot of faith in gov't aircraft programs.

Except it's privately funded.  Gives us more rights to the technology, of course.  And we're going to slap it into civil aircraft as well. 
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2010, 06:11:29 PM »
Rev, it looks good. Unfortunately, with the leadership of the country clueless and bankrupt, I don't see any new starts in DoD any time soon. Maybe AFSOC or ASOC.

As a VSTOL test pilot, it warms the cockles of my heart.

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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2010, 09:11:14 PM »
Except it's privately funded.  Gives us more rights to the technology, of course.  And we're going to slap it into civil aircraft as well. 

A maneuverable helo with high speed could be very useful for medical transport.  That'd be pretty sweet to see.

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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2010, 09:12:36 PM »
A maneuverable helo with high speed could be very useful for medical transport.  That'd be pretty sweet to see.

Grow the platform and it could be everything that the V22 was promised to be....fast short range transport. 
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2010, 09:43:30 PM »
Rev, it looks good. Unfortunately, with the leadership of the country clueless and bankrupt, I don't see any new starts in DoD any time soon. Maybe AFSOC or ASOC.

As a VSTOL test pilot, it warms the cockles of my heart.

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Yea, that's basically what everyone is assuming.  USSOCOM is practically drooling over it, as we have a functional prototype and are building additional militarized prototypes. 



Grow the platform and it could be everything that the V22 was promised to be....fast short range transport. 

Oddly, that was Preacherman's comment.  Slap the tech on a CH-53 body.  Maybe in another decade or so.
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2010, 04:46:34 AM »
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Grow the platform and it could be everything that the V22 was promised to be....fast short range transport. 
The V-22 already IS everything it was promised to be: 10,000 pounds payload to 100-200 miles at twice the speed of any existing helicopter. It's expensive to buy and expensive to operate, but it does the job. If the CH-53K comes through after they finish development, the Marine Corps will be well-equipped with medium- and heavy-lift aircraft. The UH-1Y light utility helo is performing well in initial deployments, and the AH-1Z is about to replace the excellent Whiskey Cobras with even better performance.

Fixed-wing for the Corps is, of course, another story.

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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2010, 08:04:16 AM »
The V-22 already IS everything it was promised to be: 10,000 pounds payload to 100-200 miles at twice the speed of any existing helicopter. It's expensive to buy and expensive to operate, but it does the job. If the CH-53K comes through after they finish development, the Marine Corps will be well-equipped with medium- and heavy-lift aircraft. The UH-1Y light utility helo is performing well in initial deployments, and the AH-1Z is about to replace the excellent Whiskey Cobras with even better performance.

Fixed-wing for the Corps is, of course, another story.

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I think Bell had hopes that they would have civilian V22's in widespread use by now. 
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2010, 10:27:37 AM »
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2010, 01:57:42 PM »
Isn't "Angry Marine" a redundancy?
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2010, 02:07:23 PM »
Isn't "Angry Marine" a redundancy?

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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2010, 02:35:49 PM »
100mm recoilless aircraft autocannon existed from the 1930's. Make orf that what you will.
I'm aware of the WWII B-25 with a 75mm cannon, and of course the Spectre gunship with a 105 recoilless, but I'm not aware of 100mm recoilless aircraft autocannon from the 1930s. In fact, I thought the recoilless rifle was a WWII development.

Please post a link - I'm interested in enlightenment.
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2010, 10:22:57 AM »
The recoil-less [this is how the spellchecker tells me to write it] gun in question was a soviet setup invented by Kurchevsky.

Kurchevsky was a real-world mad scientist in service of the Soviet Army, whose main idea was to arm everything with recoilless automatic guns. Sadly he a)was unable to figure out a reliable feed mechanism and b) had competing recoil-less gun inventors dealt with (such as Kondakov, who had developed a reliable 75mm automatic recoilless gun). As such, after he was , in turn, executed by Stalin, the Soviet Union soured on recoil-less guns for decades to come, axing many very promising developments in the field.

Kurchevsky - being completely insane - worked on rearming the entire Soviet Army with recoilless guns, down to 12-inch naval cannon (which were actually successful in testing, but aborted with the execution of Kurchevsky. Suffice to say here that a 12-inch gun was mounted and tested on a light destroyer, and plans were already being made for a dual 12-inch system.)

In the air, Kurchevsky was working on 75mm air-to-air guns (to be used on enemy bombers), and 100mm ground attack guns. Here's an image of the latter:



Finally, a 152mm air-to-ground gun was still on the drawing board when Kurchevsky was executed.
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Re: Sikorsky S-97 "Raider"
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2010, 10:26:32 AM »
I have a warm spot in my heart for recoilless rifles. 
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