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Used Eagle Talon
« on: November 10, 2006, 05:26:24 AM »
So, I found a car that looks rather nice for sale.  It's a 1992 Eagle Talon, 115,000 miles, 5 speed.  Are there any known issues with this car or the Eagle brand overall?  I'm looking for a cheap driver that's good on fuel.

The owner thinks the car has a cracked head or blown head gasket.  I haven't gotten a chance to see why he thinks that, but it that is in fact the case, how much money am I looking at to have it fixed / buy one at a junkyard?  I've replaced heads before, so I'm not too intimidated by the mechanical work, I just want to make sure that I'm not going to end up sinking $1000 into a car that costs $250.

FWIW, he's asking $350 for it.

Thoughts?

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2006, 05:42:28 AM »
Back in the day, I had friends who abused/tortured the AWD/turbocharged model of that car -- without issues -- all day long.

A cracked head is money, a blown head gasket is time.

But the running gear from that era "Diamond Star Motors" (it's basically a Mitshubishi Eclipse), is known to be pretty strong: lots of internet support.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2006, 05:46:04 AM »
. . . The owner thinks the car has a cracked head or blown head gasket.  . . . Thoughts?
Neighbor had an Eagle and though I don't remember the particulars, I do recall he had nothing but trouble with it.

Thoughts? If the owner admits to a possble cracked head, I'd be concerned about what else is wrong with it.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2006, 07:52:25 AM »
Not worth it.  If he's blown a head gasket or cracked a head, who knows what other problems it has.  Also, If you've got the $1250 to sink into it, you could buy something needing less work.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2006, 09:01:51 AM »
Eagle Talons are very popular around here, and do well in snow.  But this would give me pause:

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a cracked head or blown head gasket

That's bad.   If it's spewing out a lot of white smoke, forget it.  You're talking about a very expensive repair or getting a whole new engine. 

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2006, 11:44:52 AM »
Spend a little more to get a car that doesn't have any known issues.

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2009, 09:59:56 PM »
The Talon I bought back the day after this thread was created has just now been sold.

I originally bought it for $300.  I then drove it for two and a half years, totaling 30k miles. 
I just sold it today for $600.



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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2009, 10:49:34 PM »
The Eagle Talon was (IIRC) a rebadged Mitsubishi. If it wasn't a Mitsu, it was a Mazda.

Whatever it was, it was a DYNAMITE car. I owned a Jeep back when the Talon came out. I was having my Jeep serviced at the dealership and the owner handed me the keys to a new Talon and told me to "wring it out." Silly man. That car did 135 miles per hour down a ten mile stretch of road that winds along the bank of a river and isn't considered safe above 40 MPH.

I gave him back the keys. I'm safer in a Jeep -- if I had bought a Talon I would have killed myself long since.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 10:54:46 PM »
Yeah, it's basically an Eclipse? I remember people talking about i on a Car messageboard some  time back. The Eclipse was the first green Ricer car in the original The Fast and the Furious movie.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2009, 11:10:19 PM »
One problem that you can run into with the Eclipse/Talon: if the timing between the top and bottom are off, you WILL have a serious problem.

How do I know? Timing went out on mine last monday, and now I'm waiting for the local shopp to give me an estimate on repair... :(
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2009, 01:46:31 AM »
One problem that you can run into with the Eclipse/Talon: if the timing between the top and bottom are off, you WILL have a serious problem.

How do I know? Timing went out on mine last monday, and now I'm waiting for the local shopp to give me an estimate on repair... :(

I assume you mean if the timing belt goes and results in a downward-moving valve meeting an upward-moving piston. That problem applies to any engine that uses a timing belt instead of a good, old-fashioned timing chain like the old American iron used to. The manuals on most ricermobiles tells the recommended belt replacement interval. Hondas used to be 60,000 miles, then they upped it to 90,000. You're definitely pushing your luck beyond that.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2009, 11:11:28 AM »
I assume you mean if the timing belt goes and results in a downward-moving valve meeting an upward-moving piston. That problem applies to any engine that uses a timing belt instead of a good, old-fashioned timing chain like the old American iron used to. The manuals on most ricermobiles tells the recommended belt replacement interval. Hondas used to be 60,000 miles, then they upped it to 90,000. You're definitely pushing your luck beyond that.

That's not strictly true.

Engines can be either interference style or non-interference style.  The former will cause engine damage if cam timing changes, the latter won't.

But these design styles aren't tied to if the cam is driven by a chain or a belt.  For instance, the second generation Ford Escort had a timing belt, but no engine damage could result from it breaking - the 1.9L was a non-interference engine.

A Saturn L200 has a timing chain.  If the tensioner fails and the chain jumps teeth on the sprocket, engine damage will result, as this chain driven engine is interference style.

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2009, 11:40:12 AM »
That's not strictly true.

Engines can be either interference style or non-interference style.  The former will cause engine damage if cam timing changes, the latter won't.

But these design styles aren't tied to if the cam is driven by a chain or a belt.  For instance, the second generation Ford Escort had a timing belt, but no engine damage could result from it breaking - the 1.9L was a non-interference engine.

A Saturn L200 has a timing chain.  If the tensioner fails and the chain jumps teeth on the sprocket, engine damage will result, as this chain driven engine is interference style.

Agreed, and thanks for the clarification.

I didn't mention it because I wasn't aware that any modern engine is not an interference style engine.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2009, 02:53:15 PM »
Chrysler 2.2/2.5, plenty of clearance. I know, I tried to start one with the cam ~200 degrees off time because of a superfluous bump on the cam sprocket (looked enough like the actual timing marker that I used it instead).

But I really got on to reply to steal an image and say this:



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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2009, 06:01:43 PM »
Agreed, and thanks for the clarification.

I didn't mention it because I wasn't aware that any modern engine is not an interference style engine.

FWIW, the 3rd Generation V6 Toyota 4Runners are non-interference (dunno what they're like these days).  I let ours go to 100k before replacing it (90k interval I think) and the belt was still in good shape.   Speaking of which, it's due again...

Toyota tends to use chains on interference engines and belts on non-interference engines.

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2009, 07:17:56 PM »
I wonder if, when the shop repairs mine, they could replace the belt with a chain...
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2009, 02:52:58 AM »
Not likely even possible, and if it is, you're going to lose 5hp doing it.

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2009, 08:14:07 AM »
Strings, while they have similar functions, they are different systems and not really interchangeable. 

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2009, 10:18:02 AM »
I wonder if, when the shop repairs mine, they could replace the belt with a chain...

I think the biggest problem with doing this modification is that the chain runs in an oil bath, while the belt does not.

Of course, you would have to have custom sprockets machined for the crank and cams...

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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2009, 04:07:16 PM »
Ok, ok... I get the idea! ;)
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2009, 11:00:24 PM »
But I really got on to reply to steal an image and say this:



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Well, here we go.  DSM means Diamond Star Motors, which was what products of the Chrysler/Mitsubishi partnership were called.  The 1990-1999 Eagle Talon, Mitsubishi Eclipse, and Plymouth Laser(through 1994) are all commonly referred to as DSMs, because they are all essentially the same car under(slightly) different body metal.  The 1G(what they call first-generation, 1990-94) AWD turbo cars were faster than runny trots, can be made MUCH faster at very small cost, and were(and are) fantastic race cars.  The 2G(95-99) cars seem to be a bit more fragile.  The newer Eclipses are entirely Mitsubishi.  Interestingly, the Dodge Stratus coupe is for all intents and purposes an Eclipse, once you look past the body panels.  Totally different car from the Stratus sedan.

The picture refers to a problem called crankwalk, which only occurred in 2G DSMs, and as I recall was much more common in turbo cars.  The crankshaft, for reasons which I forget, *could* develop excess endplay, leading to, um, catastrophic failure.

ANYWAY, it seems as if you're looking at a base model Talon, which could be a good car.  If you have the knowledge and tools(and the seller will work with you), figure out what's wrong before you buy it, and you'll have a potentially solid car after investing some time and money.  These are not bad cars, and if it was generally treated well it will last(although smoke puffs do not usually indicate good driving/maintenance habits :)).  If you pay someone else to work on your cars, pass on this one and buy something else.

Edit: I would suggest an '80s Celica or MR2.  Both RWD, fun to drive, cheap insurance, very reliable, and easy to work on - despite what people say about mid-engine cars, the '86-'89 MR2 is quite roomy under the hood.
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Re: Used Eagle Talon
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2009, 09:43:39 AM »
Yeah, I was just bringin' up the funny photo. I'm not going to rag on the 4G63/4 too hard, it's a great engine. Well, as long as it doesn't vaporize the thrust bearing and eat the thrust surface and block.