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Title: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 16, 2013, 03:16:49 PM
drug war continues   http://reason.com/blog/2013/05/13/rand-paul-assures-evangelicals-that-he-d
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: lee n. field on May 16, 2013, 04:15:24 PM
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In preparation for a 2016 presidential run, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is courting evangelical leaders. And we all know what that means! It's time to throw those hedonistic, libertine, drug-obsessed libertarians under the bus.

One wonders what J. Gresham Machen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gresham_Machen#Religion_and_politics) would have said.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on May 16, 2013, 07:25:02 PM
I'm wondering if Rand Paul has read Larkin Rose's The Iron Web.

In some ways, the junior Paul is a lot like Obama.  Highly ambitious, extremely inexperienced, his political beliefs poorly staked out by a brief and unremarkable voting record.

Libertarians and Constitutionalists could ask for a better trojan horse... but they probably wouldn't get one.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: Bigjake on May 16, 2013, 10:18:06 PM
I'm not getting that latent evil vibe from Ron the Younger. 
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 16, 2013, 10:20:34 PM
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In preparation for a 2016 presidential run, Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) is courting evangelical leaders. And we all know what that means! It's time to throw those hedonistic, libertine, drug-obsessed libertarians under the bus.

Yeah, 'cause no politician would ever cater (or pander) to more than one interest group.  ;/
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: lee n. field on May 16, 2013, 10:30:50 PM
Yeah, 'cause no politician would ever cater (or pander) to more than one interest group.  ;/

There's a lot more long-e* evangelicals to curry favor with than self conscious libertarians.

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*Darryl Hart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._G._Hart) has noted that if you pronounce it with a long E you probably are one, with a short E, more likely not.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 16, 2013, 10:36:05 PM
It remains to be seen whether he will be able to reap the benefits of his betrayal.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: roo_ster on May 16, 2013, 11:06:28 PM
It remains to be seen whether he will be able to reap the benefits of his betrayal.

Who did he betray?
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: Balog on May 17, 2013, 02:24:24 AM
Internet libertarian administrators of the ideological purity test.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 17, 2013, 04:42:46 AM
Bah. I wrote a post yesterday and I thought it'd posted here.

Something is wonky in the forums. Or my computer perhaps.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: roo_ster on May 17, 2013, 11:00:43 AM
Internet libertarian administrators of the ideological purity test.

Not hard to run afoul of them.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 17, 2013, 11:57:22 AM
There's a lot more long-e* evangelicals to curry favor with than self conscious libertarians.

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*Darryl Hart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._G._Hart) has noted that if you pronounce it with a long E you probably are one, with a short E, more likely not.

Or, you could just be from the south where we also eat EYE-talian food.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: Lee on May 17, 2013, 07:23:39 PM
Praise Jesus...pass thee joint.
Title: Re: i feel a disturbance in the force
Post by: MicroBalrog on May 19, 2013, 01:31:37 AM
So as I tried to post before:

There had been - at the least - unspoken assumptions that Rand Paul's campaign did not dispel before, and in practice - cultivated actively, that Rand Paul was a slightly more moderate Ron Paul.

This is clearly untrue.

There's a vast gap not merely of degree, but of principle and substance, between Rand Paul and libertarianism - clearly Rand Paul is not a libertarian, not even a libertarian-conservative like his father.

He is, at best, a conservative with some libertarian leanings.

Certainly I would - were I an American of the appropriate age - vote for him in a primary race (unless someone better turns up).

But his candidacy now represents, at best, a gradual improvement over the status quo, not - as Ron Paul's would - a severe wound to it.

Whether this will lose him more votes than it gains is an open question. Perhaps not.

But elections are not merely won by a sheer quantity of voters. Voter enthusiasm translates into donations and volunteering hours.

It is not clear that this move made him any more 'electable' than he was a week ago. I suspect not.