Hassan Guility

[Tallpine]

I think they should just release him.   










You know, about 15,000 feet over the middle of the Atlantic 

[Waitone]

We don't have the balls as a society to execute him.  Now that Boles got life with no parole, Hasan will get the same.  It will not play well to execute a Muslim and give a honkey life with no parole. do I approve?  No, but that is reality.

[tokugawa]

single combat- bales vs hassan.  or something.   Seriously, both these criminals should have been courtmartialed asap then shot. Within one week.

[Levant]

I think they should just release him.  

You know, about 15,000 feet over the middle of the Atlantic  

Haven't people survived no-chute high sky-dives?   A quick google yields:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/07/19/im-dead-bye-skydiver-films-his-own-15000-ft-free-fall/

http://www.oddee.com/item_96967.aspx

.308 in between the eyes would be a sure kill.  Get rid of him quietly and without fanfare and forget his name.  I wouldn't want to have his name in history books or in rolls of martyrs in some mosque.

[RoadKingLarry]

single combat- bales vs hassan.  or something.   Seriously, both these criminals should have been courtmartialed asap then shot. Within one week.

The survivor gets to bunk with Chelsea Manning.

[purequackery]

Exactly. Hasan wants to be put to death, and has written that if he is executed he will still get to be a martyr. I don't think we should accommodate him in that. Far better to let him rot in prison, as a paraplegic, and contemplate his failure to achieve martyrdom every time he wants to stand up ... and can't.

Who cares if he thinks he will be martyred by a death sentence?  Does it cost more to keep a paraplegic in prison or to execute him?

[Hawkmoon]

The survivor gets to bunk with Chelsea Manning.

Our Constitution prohibits cruel or unusual punishments.

[vaskidmark]

I understand the argument for not giving Hassan the martyrdom he seeks. However, I think it more important that we demonstrate our system and values operate consistently, especially in the face of challenges from outside. If the judgment is for death, so be it.

And yet the morals/ethics/values that drive our system call out for not allowing him to get away with politicizing his criminal behavior.

In a kinder/gentler time, when dealing with folks who differed only in the scale of of their crimes, the choice facing those convicted who had served in the military of the defeated enemy was between being shot or being hanged.  Hanging was selected precisely because it was not the option institutionalized (on both sides) for criminals who violated the military law.  Lining war criminals up and executing them via a firing squad would be recognizing that they had acted as soldiers.  Hanging them signaled that they were common criminals (as far as that meaning can be used to differentiate between soldiers who violated their military oath and the rules of war and whatever it is you call what they were).

Hasan has said that his crimes will not be completed until he achieves martyrdom.  Also, others who believe in jihadism believe that after he is martyred he attains honor and should be held up as an example of faith and of behavior to be emulated.

From a political as well as a moral point of view I would rather see him incarcerated and cared for/protected from reprisal by misguided individuals.  That protective custody will mean 23 1/2 hours a day by himself in a cell with access to books and tv somewhat restricted (nothing celebrating martyrdom - I understand the Koran is not the source of much of the "philosophy" behind driving  folks to matryrdom) would give him plenty of time to contemplate his failure at the last moment.  It also means he and his behavior will not be held up as something to be copied.

As for the economics of the matter - it is one time I am willing to let DHS claim terrorist attack attempts were defeated.  Who knows, they might be right.

stay safe.

[Scout26]

As for the economics of the matter - it is one time I am willing to let DHS claim terrorist attack attempts were defeated.  Who knows, they might be right.

stay safe.

Yes, but DHS had nothing to do with either preventing or stopping this instance of "work place violence."

[HankB]

During WWII some German saboteurs were caught  - it didn't take years to get to trial, and they certainly wouldn't have engaged in the buffoonery of delaying the trials over the "issue" of beards.

Justice moved more swiftly - and arguably, more surely - then.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/german-saboteurs-executed-in-washington

Hassan's trial should have been concluded and sentence executed years ago.

[Scout26]

During WWII some German saboteurs were caught  - it didn't take years to get to trial, and they certainly wouldn't have engaged in the buffoonery of delaying the trials over the "issue" of beards.

Justice moved more swiftly - and arguably, more surely - then.

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/german-saboteurs-executed-in-washington

Hassan's trial should have been concluded and sentence executed years ago.

Yes, but they weren't US Service Members subject to the UCMJ.  And I totally agree, as he was under US Military Jurisdiction, shave the beard.  Shave him every day and twice on Sundays.   This trial should have been handled long ago.  Is suspect some meddling, concern, worry, over what the CINC; would/could do unless all the I's crossed and the T's dotted, just in case they came back with Death. 

If Obama does anything with reducing his sentence, waiving the death penalty, or pardoning him then Obama will have shown his true colors.  And cost him the loyalty and respect of all service members.

[vaskidmark]

Yes, but they weren't US Service Members subject to the UCMJ.  .... 

They were members of the German military disguising themselves in civillian clothing and acting as spies.  As such they were subject to both international law and the rules of warfare, both of which call for death by firing squad.  It's always been suggested that not all of them were sentenced to death, and the ones so sentenced were electrocuted instead of being shot in an attempt to secure safer/better treatment of US servicemembers caught in civillian clothing while trying to evade capture or escaping following capture.  That whole technicality of changing from a POW to a spy by changing clothing.

If Obama does anything with reducing his sentence, waiving the death penalty, or pardoning him then Obama will have shown his true colors.  And cost him the loyalty and respect of all service members.

Sadly, I doubt if you are anywhere near accurately stating the situation as regards the response of members of the military.  My doubt extends to the majority of the members of the military.  Were I wrong there would have been written complaints about Hasan's earlier behavior and statements piling up on his immediate superior's desk and following the chain of command on up as well as crossing over to members of Congress.  Complaints that could not have been ignored for fear of appearing politically incorrect or being a Muslim-hater.

stay safe.

[Scout26]

http://news.yahoo.com/soldier-sentenced-death-fort-hood-shooting-185728155.html

And Death it is.  We'll see what Obama does, along with the Court of Military Appeals.

[Fitz]

http://news.yahoo.com/soldier-sentenced-death-fort-hood-shooting-185728155.html

And Death it is.  We'll see what Obama does, along with the Court of Military Appeals.

Doesn't matter much. We haven't executed a prisoner there since 1961. One guy came close during bush's term but it got cancelled.

[Phyphor]

The jury says "Execute him. "
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/28/us/nidal-hasan-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

[Waitone]

Boles v Hasan -- What's the diff!
Cue the grievance pimps.

[Tallpine]

The jury says "Execute him. "
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/28/us/nidal-hasan-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Too bad we can't do it 13 times 

[Scout26]

Doesn't matter much. We haven't executed a prisoner there since 1961. One guy came close during bush's term but it got cancelled.

Close, didn't get cancelled, just delayed due to further appeals.

The execution of Army Pvt. Ronald A. Gray, who has been on military death row since 1988, was approved by President George W. Bush on July 28, 2008. Gray was convicted of the rape, two murders and an attempted murder of three women, two of them Army soldiers and the third a civilian taxi driver whose body was found on the post at Fort Bragg. On 26 November 2008, a federal judge granted Gray a stay of execution to allow time for further appeals

-Wikipedia.

[brimic]

The jury says "Execute him. "
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/28/us/nidal-hasan-sentencing/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

Squeeee!
Too bad it won't be 'death by bunga-bunga,' after which his corpse be fed to pigs.

[RoadKingLarry]

While he wasn't military the Feds didn't waste a bunch of time before giving McVeigh the needle, I still wonder if "they" were afraid he might spill something embarrassing about the bombing and possible .gov involvement.
Too bad Hassan won't get the same expidited service.

[Fitz]

While he wasn't military the Feds didn't waste a bunch of time before giving McVeigh the needle, I still wonder if "they" were afraid he might spill something embarrassing about the bombing and possible .gov involvement.
Too bad Hassan won't get the same expidited service.

The Feds != the military.

Tons and tons and tons of procedure involved. Military justice system is vastly different than the federal prisons and courts
As for your comment about gov involvement, that's just silly

[brimic]

As for your comment about gov involvement, that's just silly

Is it silly because federal LEOs are incorruptable and completely incapable of murdering children or running a false flag operation for a political end?

[Fitz]

Is it silly because federal LEOs are incorruptable and completely incapable of murdering children or running a false flag operation for a political end?

It's silly because people in the government can't even keep blowjobs secret, or other affairs, let alone a massive false flag operation

[mtnbkr]

Not keeping BJs secret is a false flag operation intended to convince you of the govt's incompetence at keeping secrets.

Oh *expletive deleted*it, did I just let that cat out of the bag?  So much for keeping secrets...

Chris

[brimic]

It's silly because people in the government can't even keep blowjobs secret, or other affairs, let alone a massive false flag operation

Well the stuff that does get out never sees a day in court anyway...federal law enforcement don't seem to be accountable to the same laws as the rest of us.
Sometimes all you need for a false flag to happen, is for the right people to simply let it happen.