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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: WLJ on October 25, 2023, 09:22:49 PM
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Reported at least 16 dead at multiple locations.
Suspect still at large
At least 16 people are dead in multiple shootings in Lewiston, Maine, Wednesday night, according to multiple law enforcement sources.
Fifty to 60 people are injured in the incidents, though it’s unclear how many are injured due to gunfire, the sources told CNN.
A suspect remains at large, the Androscoggin County Sheriff’s Office said in a post on Facebook.
“We are encouraging all businesses to lock down and or close while we investigate,” the sheriff’s office said earlier Wednesday evening.
16 people dead and suspect at large after multiple incidents in area of Lewiston, Maine, authorities say
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/25/us/lewiston-maine-shooting/index.html
Active shooter situation with multiple injuries at multiple locations in Lewiston, Maine
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12673433/Active-shooter-situation-multiple-injuries-multiple-locations-Lewiston-Maine.html
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/26/01/77010993-12673433-image-a-34_1698281476011.jpg)
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At first I was surprised how fast the photos came out compared to other shootings but then read they did so in the hope someone can ID him since he's still at large.
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Now reported 22 dead.
*expletive deleted*ck
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Biden has been briefed.
I feel better now
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Suspect IDed
A massive manhunt is underway in Maine for an Army reserve firearms instructor who was sectioned this summer for mental health reasons, and is suspected of shooting dead 22 people on Wednesday night at multiple sites in Lewiston.
Robert Card, 40, from Bowdoin, Maine, was named by Maine state police as the suspect in the shootings at a bowling alley, restaurant and Walmart distribution center.
He was sectioned after saying he was hearing voices, and threatening to shoot up the National Guard base in Saco, Maine.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12673433/Active-shooter-situation-multiple-injuries-multiple-locations-Lewiston-Maine.html
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Still on the loose
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Looks like he’s known by .gov and has mental issues.
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Besides the usual calls for gun bans, I think this one will really get the red flag stuff going, which way too many mainstream R politicians are fine with. Nevermind all the mental health reporting, including self-reporting, evidently, that went into this case and he was still out and about with firearm access.
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Schools are closed
Even a grocery chain
Hannaford Supermarkets, a major Northeast grocery chain, is keeping all of its stores in Maine closed Thursday morning as the search for a suspect in a fatal mass shooting in Lewiston continues.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-shootings-active-shooter-10-25-23/index.html
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Besides the usual calls for gun bans, I think this one will really get the red flag stuff going, which way too many mainstream R politicians are fine with. Nevermind all the mental health reporting, including self-reporting, evidently, that went into this case and he was still out and about with firearm access.
Yeah, this one seems to be perfect for pushing red flag laws.
Red flag laws have good intentions but they open the door to so much abuse.
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I've been seeing a lot of comments on the news articles about why wasn't he red flagged and his guns confiscated. Unless I misread the report, he checked himself into a mental health facility. So red flag shouldn't apply. (if he knew he was a danger, he should have had a friend store all of his guns except maybe a revolver, or sold them) If you start punishing people for seeking help, they will stop doing so and incidents like this will increase.
It also implies they didn't do a very good job of treating him. Or perhaps he stopped taking his antipsychotics because they were working and he thought he didn't need them. :(
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Revised count according to the gov from CNN.Com: 18 killed 13 injured
Now they're saying he could be in Massachusetts....armed with a night scope :shock:
Look for revised calls to ban nightscopes
As officials were seen wheeling a body bag out of Schemengees on Thursday morning, audio from police dispatchers indicates they believe the suspect has crossed the border to Massachusetts - armed with a nightscope.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12675667/Girl-10-bullet-Maine-bowling-alley-massacre-injured-covered-blood-shooting.html
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Besides the usual calls for gun bans, I think this one will really get the red flag stuff going, which way too many mainstream R politicians are fine with. Nevermind all the mental health reporting, including self-reporting, evidently, that went into this case and he was still out and about with firearm access.
This one actually seems prime to beat the ATF, FBI, and NICS on the nose repeatedly with a rolled up magazine.
Dude was committed. We don't know the circumstances, but it's likely that "adjudicated mentally unfit" fits this situation to a Tee.
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I kept looking at this and wondering what the optic was.
Doesn't look like a LPVO or similar but when they mentioned night scope I wonder if it's something similar to this.
https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-Wraith-4-32x50-Digital-Riflescope/dp/B07MW21G53/ref=sr_1_4?crid=QFXOOSKB8JGQ&keywords=night%2Bscope%2Bfor%2Brifle&qid=1698333154&sprefix=nightsc%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-4&th=1 (https://www.amazon.com/Sightmark-Wraith-4-32x50-Digital-Riflescope/dp/B07MW21G53/ref=sr_1_4?crid=QFXOOSKB8JGQ&keywords=night%2Bscope%2Bfor%2Brifle&qid=1698333154&sprefix=nightsc%2Caps%2C134&sr=8-4&th=1)
Not saying it's the same one but similar. You can even make out what could be the IR light mounted on the top left of the scope.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/10/26/08/77021065-12673433-image-a-3_1698304524506.jpg)
From the Amazon link
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51g5U3xiwpL._AC_SL1000_.jpg)
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Jet ski? :O
Marine records seen by DailyMail.com show that Card registered a 2019 Sea Doo jet ski in his name in June, sparking fears that he could have used the watercraft to flee investigators after opening fire.
Maine State Police aircraft searched over a small area of the river in the early hours Thursday in a bid to find Card, who authorities say suffered from mental health issues.
They said a blue Chevy Suburban with a Maine registration plate 6625ZD believed to be carrying Card crossed into Massachusetts on the I-93 at 8:01 Thursday morning.
They described him as 'believed to be armed and dangerous'.
A shelter in place advisory has been expanded from Lewiston to Lisbon and Bowdoin, with residents urged to remain inside as the gunman remains at large.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12675779/Maine-bowling-alley-killer-Robert-Card-jet-ski-getaway.html
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Seven found dead at bowling alley, eight at restaurant and three died in hospital - police
There's some more detail now on those who were killed in the attack. "Eighteen people are now deceased at this time," Ross says.
There were seven people killed at the bowling alley, he goes on, one of those was female and six were male.
At the restaurant, eight were found dead: seven males inside and one male outside.
He says the cause of death for all 18 is apparent gunshot wounds.
Multiple people were taken to area hospitals, he says, but three of them died.
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-67225016
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Another downside that has yet to be mentioned is that Maine is starting to reconsider its "openness" about guns. :facepalm:
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"The Maine mass shooter was a known gun-nut psycho"
"This shooting suspect, like so many others who are mentally disturbed, retained enough core competencies, enough cogency, to successfully maim and kill.
The White House, and the entire country, has lowered the flag. How about raising the bar for gun ownership?
How about finally addressing one of the greatest public health crises in America: The aggrieved white male — almost always the mass shooter profile — who takes out his failures, grievances and aggression on unwitting civilians and schoolchildren?"
"How could Mills not take this moment to note that the AR-15 rifle, a modified version used by this savage, is the favored weapon of mass shooters all over America — precisely because it kills so many so fast, its bullets designed to tear the human body apart, liquify vital organs, split skulls and turn bones into dust?
Perhaps because Governor Mills is compromised. Perhaps because she ran in 2018 on gun control legislation that she promptly abandoned upon winning her election. Perhaps because she wouldn’t even back a proposed ‘red flag’ law that would have enabled judges to temporarily block a troubled individual's access to guns. Instead, she compromised on a so-called ‘yellow flag’ alternative, which tells you all you need to know about the gun lobby in America."
There are no state-mandated background checks to buy a gun in Maine. No bans on assault rifles, high-capacity magazines, or bump stocks. You don’t need a permit to own a gun, neither for concealed or open-carry. There is no 3-day waiting period to purchase one. And no requirement that the guns of domestic abusers must be confiscated.
Yeah, I think you know where they want this conversation to go
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12677139/MAUREEN-CALLAHAN-Maine-mass-shooter-Robert-Card-known-gun-psycho-authorities-ignored-alarm-bells.html
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Something going on......maybe
Loud bangs were heard at the home of Maine mass shooter Robert Card's parents on Thursday evening, with the FBI encircling the property and demanding anyone inside come out.
The road to the rural home was blocked, NewsNation reported, and police using megaphones said: 'FBI - open the door. FBI - come out now.'
Card, 40, has been on the run since murdering 18 people on Wednesday night in Lewiston, 15 miles from his Bowdoin home.
It emerged on Thursday he may have been searching for his ex at the bowling alley and bar where he opened fire.
Loud bangs heard at home belonging to Maine shooter Robert Card's parents - as it's revealed he may have been looking for his EX at bowling alley and bar where he murdered 18, his sister tells cops, who found note in his home
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12677525/Robert-Card-note-home-maine-shooter.html
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Maybe we should stop giving these monsters the public attention they crave.
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Maybe we should stop giving these monsters the public attention they crave.
In this case I don't think it's attention he's seeking, I think he's a full on wack job. Reading he was saying his hearing aid allowed him to hear people at the alley and bar talking about him and that he was looking for his ex. Also reading family is saying he left a suicide note.
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You may be right then.
But giving this monster attention will attract the monsters that do crave attention.
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On the news this morning they said that a boat he owns is missing. Maybe escape attempt or suicide at sea. Though they didn't say what kind of boat or if he kept it on the coast. I supposed he could have gone down the river, but I'd assume they'd be searching there.
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Something going on......maybe
Loud bangs heard at home belonging to Maine shooter Robert Card's parents - as it's revealed he may have been looking for his EX at bowling alley and bar where he murdered 18, his sister tells cops, who found note in his home
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12677525/Robert-Card-note-home-maine-shooter.html
Well he certainly has the police chasing ghosts
FBI agents staged a dramatic raid on a family property on Thursday night but Card, 40, remains on the run - as experts warned that the 40-year-old deer hunter and Army reservist was well equipped to survive in the wild, and could even be planning a new attack.
It now emerges he left behind his cell phone, to avoid detection, ABC News reported.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12679215/Did-Maine-gunman-target-deaf-friends-Robert-Card-recently-given-hearing-aids-claimed-let-hear-people-criticizing-bowling-alley-bar-murdered-three-deaf-friends-15-others.html
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And it looks like the MSM have their "far right extremist" and "gun nut" they've been dying for. Note the quotes
Expect this to be front and center in much of the MSM reporting
And his online search history contained conspiracy theories, plus showed fears about a financial crisis and plunge in the stock market; LGBTQ+ issues; gun rights and commentary about Democratic public officials, including President Joe Biden, ABC News said.
One neighbor told The Messenger that the Card family's arrangement was 'basically a compound', and he and his relatives were all 'gun-toting enthusiasts'.
'They would shoot guns all the time, you could hear them every day after school. It was like clockwork,' said Liam Kent.
He said he once saw Card 'covered in blood with a gun on his back, a giant grin on his face' after going deer hunting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12679215/Did-Maine-gunman-target-deaf-friends-Robert-Card-recently-given-hearing-aids-claimed-let-hear-people-criticizing-bowling-alley-bar-murdered-three-deaf-friends-15-others.html
An account on the social media platform X with Card’s name and a photo that appears to be him, which has been taken offline, had a history of liking right-wing and Republican political content.
When WNBA player Brittney Griner was released from Russian detention after a prisoner exchange for a convicted arms dealer, the account posted what appeared to be its only tweet. Responding to a CNBC story about the topic, the account wrote: “Mass murderer for a wnba player great job keep up the good work,” in an apparent jab at President Joe Biden.
The account liked a tweet earlier this year from right-wing author and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza arguing against an assault weapons ban, as well as other tweets from political figures like Donald Trump Jr. and Tucker Carlson.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/26/us/maine-shooting-suspect-invs/index.html
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On the news this morning they said that a boat he owns is missing. Maybe escape attempt or suicide at sea. Though they didn't say what kind of boat or if he kept it on the coast. I supposed he could have gone down the river, but I'd assume they'd be searching there.
Saw it reported as a 12ft jet ski but also he did own a boat in the past.
Seeing some speculation he may off himself in some secluded hidden spot to keep the fear going. Who knows, maybe at sea or a river.
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Speaking of hearing voices
Many people hear voices in other countries.
The difference is those countries don’t let civilians have AR-15s
— David Hogg 🟧 (@davidhogg111) October 26, 2023
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/27/david-hogg-people-in-other-countries-hear-voices-n2389079
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My wife and I think they will find his body in the forest with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
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Investigators searched Card’s car yesterday and recovered a .308-caliber AR-15 rifle, according to a law enforcement official. A second law enforcement official told CNN that the weapon is similar in description and caliber to the gun used in the attack.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.html
Note they still call it an AR-15. I would actually be somewhat shocked if they didn't.
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Oh look, an upcoming Presidential election! Oh look, a tailor made scenario for gun control against the Right!
Too often an occurring pattern to be a coincident.
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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.html
Note they still call it an AR-15. I would actually be somewhat shocked if they didn't.
If a .223 millimeter caliber AR-15 super assault weapon turns bones to powder (I heard that on the news yesterday) what will a .308 caliber gauge AR-15 assault weapon do to someone?
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If a .223 millimeter caliber AR-15 super assault weapon turns bones to powder (I heard that on the news yesterday) what will a .308 caliber gauge AR-15 assault weapon do to someone?
556 is bigger than 308 :P
I'm waiting to hear some MSM "gun expert" to say something to the effect of thank goodness it wasn't 556 or this would have been a lot worse
Before someone says "actually..." Yes I know
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556 is bigger than 308 :P
I'm waiting to hear some MSM "gun expert" to say something to the effect of thank goodness it wasn't 556 or this would have been a lot worse
Before someone says "actually..." Yes I know
You are onto something there. After all the AR15 must be much more powerful, at least half again, as the AR10. Thank all the deities they haven't found out about the AR180 yet. :facepalm:
bob
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The gun that investigators believe the Lewiston mass shooting suspect, Robert Card, used to kill 18 people and wound 13 others was purchased legally just days before he was hospitalized and ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, multiple law enforcement sources told CNN.
What we know about the weapon: The rifle was a Ruger SFAR, chambered for high-powered .308 ammunition, the sources said.
The .308 round is favored by military snipers firing at long distances and big game hunters. It's larger and more powerful than the regular ammunition carried in the rifles of soldiers and SWAT teams.
One of the challenges in identifying victims at the two crime scenes from Wednesday's mass shooting was nearly all the victims were shot in the head, rendering some of them unrecognizable, a law enforcement source told CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.html
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Maine reportedly has a "Yellow Flag" law which according to some of what I'm seeing could have been triggered but wasn't.
The different between Red and Yellow Flag laws are, if I'm reading this right, is that under Yellow Flag laws the person needs to be evaluated and deemed a threat by a medical professional before firearms can be seized, Red Flag laws remove that requirement.
Two articles ~1 year apart.
Maine's 'yellow flag' law scrutinized as 'woefully weak' after mass shooting
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/maines-yellow-flag-law-scrutinized-woefully-weak-mass-shooting-rcna122541
From 2022
Maine's 'yellow flag' law could be a model for gun control, but legal experts say it has limitations
https://www.mainepublic.org/politics/2022-07-01/maines-yellow-flag-law-could-be-a-model-for-gun-control-but-legal-experts-say-it-has-limitations
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Not much in the way of details yet
Maine mass shooting manhunt: Robert Card found dead, law enforcement sources say
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shooting-october-27
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Breaking news. The suspect found dead in the woods from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
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He had been fired from his job at a recycling plant, and had split from a recent partner.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682155/Maine-mass-shooter-dead-woods-two-gunshot-wounds-head-sources-say.html
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you usually see the term partner used when the relationship is "non-traditional" so to speak?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682155/Maine-mass-shooter-dead-woods-two-gunshot-wounds-head-sources-say.html
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you usually see the term partner used when the relationship is "non-traditional" so to speak?
I believe that is correct.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682155/Maine-mass-shooter-dead-woods-two-gunshot-wounds-head-sources-say.html
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you usually see the term partner used when the relationship is "non-traditional" so to speak?
That's usually correct in the USA. However, in the UK the term partner is also used to refer to someone of the opposite sex in a relationship with another person. The story is from the UK Daily Mail.
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That's usually correct in the USA. However, in the UK the term partner is also used to refer to someone of the opposite sex in a relationship with another person. The story is from the UK Daily Mail.
Yeah, thought about the UK angle after I posted. But did the use of the term partner come from the DM or a source in the US?
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And a AR-10/LR-308 would level the forest
Joy Behar: "If you shoot with an AR-15, let's say you shoot a deer, you can't eat it because you basically demolish the animal."
Lol who wants to tell her?
pic.twitter.com/XMdm0waOkZ
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) October 27, 2023
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/10/27/joy-behar-the-view-deer-ar-15-the-view-n2389121
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I have heard "partner" for traditional relationships for a couple of decades. It all depends on where you live. Enlightened liberals like to say it as a way to normalize non-traditional relationships. I heard "partner" way more than "husband" or "wife" back in Santa Barbara. Here in sticksville, I don't think I have ever heard someone say "partner" unless it's their business partner.
In fact back in Santa Barbara, at least a couple of times, somebody thought I was gay because I said something like, "I'm hooking up with my partner this weekend to go quail hunting". Because boomers call guys they do stuff with partners and buddies*. But just like "gay" no longer means "happy", "partner" apparently doesn't actually mean "partner" anymore.
*Also, "hooking up" doesn't mean what it did when I was a kid. Don't even ask me how many times I nearly got into sexual harassment trouble at work because I said I was hooking up with a female coworker.
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My buddy in Colorado came by and visited while he was in town visiting his mom. He introduced me to his partner he's been with for a couple years, she is a cute little thing but man was she a raging lefty.
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You are onto something there. After all the AR15 must be much more powerful, at least half again, as the AR10. Thank all the deities they haven't found out about the AR180 yet. :facepalm:
bob
And just think, we fought - and won! - a WAR with a lowly M1, only 1/15 as powerful as the AR15.
Breaking news. The suspect found dead in the woods from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Too bad he didn't start his spree that way.
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Breaking news. The suspect found dead in the woods from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.
Too bad he didn't start his spree that way.
Unfortunately some shooters seem to want to send a message and/or become famous in the process so the higher the body count the better in their view. This guy seems to have wanted to make sure his perceived enemies where dead first.
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Out comes info about his ex wife who was reportedly in hiding with their son
Only married two years and divorced in 2007.
But there is the possibility he was looking for another ex
One trigger for the massacre was floated by Card's sister, who told investigators she believed he may have been looking for an ex when he rampaged through the Sparetime Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grille, police sources told the outlet.
It is not confirmed whether Card's sister was referring to Lamb when she made the claim, or a more recent ex-partner.
Of note is this requirement made to the divorce agreement at a later date
The couple jointly filed for divorce in 2007 in Sagahoc County court, citing irreconcilable differences.
In 2013 the divorce agreement was amended to include an ominous requirement, stipulating that 'all guns in either party’s home shall be under lock and key during which time they are not being used.'
She may have just been worried the son would have access to guns but the MSM will probably run wild with speculation
Maine mass shooter Robert Card's former wife and teenage son were in HIDING amid fears killer was hunting for an ex when he gunned down 18 - as bombshell divorce papers reveal he was ordered to keep weapons 'under lock and key'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682845/Maine-mass-shooter-Robert-Card-wife-son-HIDING.html
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Saw it reported as a 12ft jet ski but also he did own a boat in the past.
Seeing some speculation he may off himself in some secluded hidden spot to keep the fear going. Who knows, maybe at sea or a river.
He's hearing voices. Could be anywhere, for any particular reason.
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He's hearing voices. Could be anywhere, for any particular reason.
As it was he was found near the recycling plant where he had recently been fired from not too far from his abandoned vehicle .
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And just like that more info on that.
Sounds like they didn't do a very good job of searching not once but twice
The Maine mass shooter's body was discovered at the back of an industrial tractor trailer in an area that investigators admitted they previously 'cleared' twice.
Army reservist Robert Card, 40, was found at around 7pm on Friday evening, two days after he opened fire in a bowling alley and bar, killing 18 people and injuring 13 others.
The body was discovered by a recycling plant that he was recently fired from, just a short walk from where the killer's vehicle was first found roughly four hours after the shooting erupted.
Mike Sauschuck, Maine's public safety commissioner, revealed in a Saturday morning press conference that the manhunt scoured the plant twice, and said officials only returned to the area at the direction of the factory's manager.
He said the location where the body was found was in an overflow parking lot containing roughly 60 trailers, which officials seemingly did not realize existed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12683037/Maine-mass-shooter-Robert-Card-body-industrial-trailer.html
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And just think, we fought - and won! - a WAR with a lowly M1, only 1/15 as powerful as the AR15.
[ar15] [ar15] [ar15]
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Does that mean the M16 is only 6.66% more powerful than an AR-15?
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If correct it appears they were trying to get a Yellow Flag law triggered or maybe even it was but were encountering obstacles
From Bearing Arms
According to the State Bureau of Investigation, Card is categorized as “Federal Firearms Disqualified Status,” though it remains unclear what law barred him from possessing a firearm. A list of Mainers who have had their weapons confiscated through the state’s “yellow flag law” does not appear to include anyone matching Card. A spokesperson for the state police did not respond to a message asking for clarification about why Card was prohibited.
Sounds like a communication break down
The SBI hasn’t said anything beyond that basic information, so we don’t know when the suspect was officially categorized as a prohibited person, but the most likely opportunity would have been earlier this summer, when he reportedly spent two weeks in an Army medical center in West Point, New York after displaying “erratic” behavior during training exercises.
While that information was reported to federal officials, it doesn’t sound like it was conveyed to state authorities. The suspects family, however, says they were in contact with both law enforcement and the military over the past few months to express their growing concerns about his “rapidly deteriorating” mental state.
And apparently NY was getting involved
Maine Police Say Lewiston Suspect WAS Prohibited From Possessing Guns
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/10/27/maine-police-say-lewiston-suspect-was-prohibited-from-possessing-guns-n76626
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*Also, "hooking up" doesn't mean what it did when I was a kid. Don't even ask me how many times I nearly got into sexual harassment trouble at work because I said I was hooking up with a female coworker.
I like to use the traditional "couple up"
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Apparently I'm not the only one...
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If correct it appears they were trying to get a Yellow Flag law triggered or maybe even it was but were encountering obstacles
From Bearing Arms
Sounds like a communication break down
And apparently NY was getting involved
Maine Police Say Lewiston Suspect WAS Prohibited From Possessing Guns
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/10/27/maine-police-say-lewiston-suspect-was-prohibited-from-possessing-guns-n76626
Don't trust the reporting.
The LAW still says that to be prohibited a person must have been ADJUDICATED mentally defective, or COMMITTED to a mental institution. To the everlasting consternation of the bed-wetters, that means an actual hearing before a real, live judge, and in the case of commitment -- an actual commitment. A referral for a three-day or (I suppose) even a 2-week "evaluation" is not a "commitment." And if he was released at the end of the two weeks -- that's not long enough for any treatment to have taken place, so the shrinks must not have thought he posed a risk.
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Multiple fails here:
David Hogg 🟧
@davidhogg111
The Maine shooter was unable to obtain a silencer a couple months ago because when he filled out the form to obtain the silencer he was asked if he had ever been committed to a mental institution to which he checked yes. The gun shop then refused to sell him the silencer. Who knows how many more would have died if the law were not in place.
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/29/oopsie-david-hogg-accidentally-proves-gun-laws-already-on-the-books-work-with-maine-shooter-post-n2389153
Moron.
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Multiple fails here:
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/29/oopsie-david-hogg-accidentally-proves-gun-laws-already-on-the-books-work-with-maine-shooter-post-n2389153
Moron.
Hogg probably thinks you can just walk out with a silencer after doing nothing more than filling out a form.
Of course he and the people he runs around with routinely claim it's easier to buy a gun than it is to check out a book
But our side doesn't do itself any favors with this stuff
And yet mister "I've been around guns my whole life" calls it a silencer, when no such thing exists, instead of a suppressor. He's such a 🤡
— Postaldog (@thepostaldog) October 29, 2023
It was called a silencer by the inventor, Hiram Percy Maxim*, in the patent.
*The son of the more famous Hiram Stevens Maxim (Maxim Machine Gun)
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Ruger SFAR was found in his car and a S&W M&P15 and a M&P 40SW handgun were found with him.
They still haven't said if either was used in the shootings but there have been strong hints he used the SFAR
First article I've seen that refers to the SFAR as a AR-10 "style" rifle
Police identify 2 AR-style rifles, handgun as weapons linked to Lewiston mass shooting
https://www.pressherald.com/2023/10/30/state-police-identify-1-of-3-guns-linked-to-lewiston-shootings/
Expect lawsuits to be filed against Ruger and S&W
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Former co-workers at Maine Recycling Corp. say they saw a change in Card’s mental state earlier this year. Card was employed as a commercial driver from February 2022 to early June 2023.
Card’s behavior grew increasingly erratic and he spoke “aggressively” about guns before he left his job, one co-worker told NBC News. Another colleague said a supervisor was warned that Card supposedly had made threats of workplace gun violence, but nothing was done and it felt like “it was swept under the rug.”
The former co-workers, who asked not to be identified because they are still employed by Maine Recycling, expressed dismay that Card had access to his firearms even though he appeared to be struggling mentally when they saw him regularly this year.
One co-worker said he had no issues when Card first started at Maine Recycling, but about a year later, the co-worker said, Card exhibited a “total mood change.”
“He irrationally snapped. We’d do good the whole day, but then would say that I touched him. He said I was sexually harassing him, calling him a pedophile,” the co-worker said.
The company is saying supervisors were not made aware of him threatened the company and that counter to reports he was fired "Card left the company on good terms"
Maine Recycling said Monday that while Card was known to be a gun enthusiast, supervisors were not aware of any conversations in which he may have threatened workplace violence and take such threats seriously. Card left the company on good terms.
Maine gunman spoke 'aggressively' of guns, former co-workers say, as more warning signs emerge
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/maine-gunman-spoke-aggressively-guns-former-co-workers-say-warning-sig-rcna122833
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More on the shooter
Apparently he had become paranoid about people calling him a pedophile
But also in the article is this
Note the underlined
His brother said Card met his ex-girlfriend during a cornhole competition at Schemengees Bar and Grille. After Card’s ex-girlfriend ended the relationship, the family member said that his brother began "wearing hearing aids and had been saying crazy things."
Since the breakup, Card "had significant weight loss, has been hospitalized for mental health issues and stopped taking prescribed medication," his brother told police.
One witness told police that Card had been delusional since the relationship ended.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/maine-shooter-thought-local-businesses-attacked-shooting-were-spreading-pedophile-rumors-docs
Wonder what those meds were
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^^^probably anti-psychotics.
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wonder how long he'd been off. Those don't just cut, boom, and you're full on crazy again right away.
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They have questions
In a Nov. 2 letter to Army Inspector General Lt. Gen. Donna Martin, U.S. Sens. Susan Collins and Angus King questioned why Army officials didn’t appear to trigger laws in two states designed to disarm dangerous people, despite [Card’s] threat to “shoot up” the Army Reserve base in Saco.
Collins and King cited Card’s “troubling behaviors” leading up to the shooting, citing a Bangor Daily News report from last week.
Maine Senators Question Army Inspector General Over Handling of Lewiston Killer's Mental Issues
https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2023/11/06/maine-senators-question-army-inspector-general-over-killers-mental-issues-n76961
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Rabid anti goes after Ruger
Sugarmann Still Twisting the Narrative as Anti-Gun Groups Attack Ruger
https://bearingarms.com/john-petrolino/2023/11/20/sugarmann-still-twisting-the-narrative-as-anti-gun-groups-attack-ruger-n77467
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Cumulative exposure to blasts caused brain damage that may have contributed to Maine shooter's rampage.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/profound-damage-found-in-maine-gunmans-brain-possibly-from-blasts/