Author Topic: to be "conservative" and yet support "diversity" (Read 19080 times)

Support is by default a constraint on the flowing natural order of a particular object. A row of trees with support stakes to hold them in place through a windstorm will always be less diverse than if those trees were unsupported.

I dig it, man.... I dig it.

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2009, 06:10:11 PM »

The (R) party has too long ignored important issues and focused on stuff that just doesn't matter.

Balog · « **Reply #7 on:** July 07, 2009, 06:12:51 PM »

Quote from: JamisJockey on July 07, 2009, 06:10:11 PM

The (R) party has too long ~~ignored~~ talked a good game on important issues and focused on ~~stuff that just doesn't matter~~ buying votes with tax dollars like Democrats.

FTFY

Jamisjockey · « **Reply #8 on:** July 07, 2009, 06:22:37 PM »

Actually, in the originally quoted thread, I was being obtuse on purpose, and I will take any opportunity to shill for the lp. The GOP has given up virtue and value in favor of diversity and votes.
The lp doesn't care if you're black, white, gay, mormon, jewish, baptist or a furry. That's supporting diversity.

LadySmith · « **Reply #9 on:** July 07, 2009, 06:32:40 PM »

I see the LP has changed its immigration stance from open borders to immigration reform.
I might give them a closer look.

Balog · « **Reply #10 on:** July 07, 2009, 06:57:23 PM »

Quote from: LadySmith on July 07, 2009, 06:32:40 PM

I see the LP has changed its immigration stance from open borders to immigration reform.
I might give them a closer look.

O rly? That was always one of my big 3 objections to them.

1. Open borders
2. Cowardly stance on abortion
3. Idiotic "concentrate on the PotUS elections we can't win instead of local elections" strategy

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #11 on:** July 07, 2009, 06:58:45 PM »

Quote from: JamisJockey on July 07, 2009, 06:22:37 PM

Actually, in the originally quoted thread, I was being obtuse on purpose, and I will take any opportunity to shill for the lp. The GOP has given up virtue and value in favor of diversity and votes.
The lp doesn't care if you're black, white, gay, mormon, jewish, baptist or a furry. That's supporting diversity.

Tell me about it. If I hear one more clueless Republican talking about "How do we attract x type of voter?" :rolleyes:

It's the ideas, stupid. Express the ideas well, and you'll attract people of various colors. Duh.

Standing Wolf · « **Reply #12 on:** July 07, 2009, 08:20:08 PM »

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It's the ideas, stupid. Express the ideas well, and you'll attract people of various colors.

Yeah, but you've got to have ideas before you can even think about trying to express them. The only so-called "idea" the Republicrats ever come up with is getting back in office to feast on pork.

KD5NRH · « **Reply #13 on:** July 07, 2009, 09:48:40 PM »

Quote from: Balog on July 07, 2009, 06:57:23 PM

1. Open borders

If you fix the welfare situation, you have to leave the borders open so they can all get out.

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2. Cowardly stance on abortion

And just what have you done to support your oh so courageous stance on it?

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3. Idiotic "concentrate on the PotUS elections we can't win instead of local elections" strategy

The national LP handles that part. Local LP groups focus on local issues and elections. Even the Republicans focused on a Presidential election they couldn't win rather than throwing their entire national might behind some candidate for County Commissioner somewhere.

BReilley · « **Reply #14 on:** July 08, 2009, 12:08:37 AM »

Quote from: JamisJockey on July 07, 2009, 06:22:37 PM

The lp doesn't care if you're black, white, gay, mormon, jewish, baptist or a furry. That's supporting diversity.

Is that "supporting diversity", or is it just not being exclusive?

Balog · « **Reply #15 on:** July 08, 2009, 12:15:44 AM »

Awww, big "L" libbie fanbois are so cute when they get all butthurt and defensive. :)

1. An open border is a concept so ridiculous on it's face one wonders how anyone could take it seriously. Just illustrates that one should follow an idea to it's logical conclusion before deciding it's The Way.

2. Their stance is cowardly because they refuse to touch it. Whether an unborn baby is a human deserving protection or not is hardly an issue for the states. To test this hypothesis, ask a big L if they think whether or not blacks are human and deserving of legal protection is a states rights issue. They use a legitimate concept in an illegitimate way, to duck out of having to take a stand.

3. Maybe you're right. Maybe the issue isn't the strategy they've employed; they really might just be a pack of losers who are incapable of doing significant things full stop. I had been giving them the benefit of the doubt, but.....

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #16 on:** July 08, 2009, 12:21:24 AM »

Why is abortion not an issue for the states?

I mean. The definitions of self-defense, murder, manslaughter and rape are all a state issue. Would you like to make them Federal? Surely not.

Balog · « **Reply #17 on:** July 08, 2009, 12:57:24 AM »

Quote from: MicroBalrog on July 08, 2009, 12:21:24 AM

Why is abortion not an issue for the states?

I mean. The definitions of self-defense, murder, manslaughter and rape are all a state issue. Would you like to make them Federal? Surely not.

So everything is an issue for the states? Slavery, the legality of having sex with 5 y/o's, everything?

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #18 on:** July 08, 2009, 01:12:24 AM »

Everything which is not specifically outlined in the Constitution as a Federal issue (such as, for example, slavery), is a state issue. I fail to see how this is suddenly a problem.

Balog · « **Reply #19 on:** July 08, 2009, 01:16:42 AM »

Yeah, that is true. 10th amendment and all. I wonder if the LP enumerates that specifically, and how that affects their chances.

Perd Hapley · « **Reply #20 on:** July 08, 2009, 01:16:46 AM »

Quote from: MicroBalrog on July 08, 2009, 01:12:24 AM

Everything which is not specifically outlined in the Constitution as a Federal issue (such as, for example, slavery), is a state issue.

Or is reserved to the people.

Balog · « **Reply #21 on:** July 08, 2009, 01:19:36 AM »

Oh, but to clarify abortion is not in fact a 10th issue.

MicroBalrog · « **Reply #22 on:** July 08, 2009, 01:22:22 AM »

There are such huge issues with making abortion a Federal issue I don't even know where to start.

Balog · « **Reply #23 on:** July 08, 2009, 01:27:22 AM »

I'd think it would be fairly obvious that deciding murder is ok as long as it's directed at a certain people group would be a fundamental violation of rights. I'm not seeing why that's a difficult concept.

Balog · « **Reply #24 on:** July 08, 2009, 02:06:46 AM »

To further clarify, slavery was based on the concept that blacks were sub-human, and undeserving of the rights enumerated. Abortion is based on the same premise. Just as we have come to recognize that a human is a human regardless of skin color, I hope we can someday realize a human is a human regardless of how long ago they were conceived.

The basic problem with "Abortion is a states rights issue" is that it empowers the states to choose who is really human and granted rights. Surely you see how giving the states that power would be a problem.

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Author Topic: to be "conservative" and yet support "diversity" (Read 19080 times)