Author Topic: Russia has sent troops into Ukraine (Read 11908 times)

Balog · « **on:** February 28, 2014, 03:11:06 PM »

Seemed worth its own thread, as the other was focused on the internal disputes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10666893/Ukraine-crisis-live-UN-Security-Council-to-hold-emergency-meeting-on-Ukraine-crisis.html

Russia has admitted sending troops from the Black Sea fleet at Sevastapol into the Crimea. I hope that the south east part of Ukraine that is heavily ethnic Russian (because the Soviets murdered millions of Ukrainians and exported their own people in I note) will separate from western Ukraine. It's decaying rust belt that's a drag on the country financially and politically anyway.

Balog · « **Reply #1 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:23:41 PM »

I'm amazed that Obama's strongly worded letter telling Putin not to invade got ignored...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Z7Z4rGQi2cQ

AJ Dual · « **Reply #2 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:29:28 PM »

My co-worker sitting next to me here at work, who is Ukrainian-Ukrainian, not Russian-Ukranian says:

"Both sides are *expletive deleted*ed for various reasons."

And he doesn't think splitting the country into it's majority Ukrainian half and ethnic Russian half will help. Although he does not think not splitting it will help either.

To him the Western Ukrainian part is a low-skilled economic basket case that just wants to suck off the EU like Greece did until that economic turd hits the fan just like Greece, and the Eastern Russian part is a post-Soviet rustbelt as Balog mentions, and the Russians just want it for port access, pipeline access to Europe, and military base positioning, with a healthy dose of ego to regain Soviet glory days.

He doesn't sound real upbeat about it either way.

Balog · « **Reply #3 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:32:03 PM »

Hinds in flight north of Sevastapol. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f30_1393584675

lupinus · « **Reply #4 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:45:20 PM »

I'm sure the security council will come out of it's meeting with a strongly worded letter pleading with Russia to please play nice.

Tallpine · « **Reply #5 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:48:49 PM »

Wonder if this will start the worldwide economic dominos falling

Balog · « **Reply #6 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:51:14 PM »

It's a Russian Anschluss, with President Mom Jeans playing the role of Neville Chamberlain. Commies just need some Lebensraum...

Balog · « **Reply #7 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:56:24 PM »

They have secured Sevastapol airport.

Balog · « **Reply #8 on:** February 28, 2014, 03:58:33 PM »

Russian flag up at a ukie border post.

Balog · « **Reply #9 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:01:42 PM »

Different angle on the choppers. May be MI28 Havocs not MI24's?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=287_1393605865

MillCreek · « **Reply #10 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:02:28 PM »

We really need to know what Ben's HUC thinks about this. Perhaps he can email her in Hawaii. She could reply with a picture or two.

Balog · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:06:46 PM »

2000 Russian infantry flown into the seized airports.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26380336

Balog · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2014, 04:14:47 PM »

Compilation video of Russian invasion of Ukraine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=In60bHy339w

Balog · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2014, 05:45:30 PM »

The leader of the Crimean Tatars is meeting with Turkey's FM today in Kyiv.

Balog · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2014, 05:49:13 PM »

Russian troops are trying to disarm the 36th Brigade of the Ukie Army. No word on how that's going. Ukie generals are sniffing the wind to try to avoid getting whacked no matter who wins.

Balog · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2014, 05:50:49 PM »

Comms are down to the Crimea. http://www.kspr.com/news/nationworld/URGENT-Ukraine-Crimea-Telecom/21051646_24738016

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(CNN) -- Ukraine's largest telecom company is unable to provide data and voice connectivity between Crimea and the rest of Ukraine because unknown people seized telecommunications nodes and destroyed cables, it said Friday. There is almost no phone connectivity or Internet service across Crimea, said Ukrtelecom, which is the only landline provider in Ukraine.

Russian troops blocking access to Ukie Navy HQ. Reporters on the ground are saying that streetlights are being taken out and tanks are rolling into the suburbs. Per a crude google translate page ukie AF has SU 27's patrolling the border with orders to go to guns on Russian aircraft crossing the border.

Jocassee · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2014, 06:47:12 PM »

No need to mention it to this crowd but...Attentive students are taking notes.

Azrael256 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2014, 06:48:02 PM »

Now do you understand why I never stopped calling them Soviets?

Also, from the jerky, blurry, tiny video, I think I see Havocs. If that poor bastard isn't dead before morning, I want to send him a better camera.

Also, seriously with the "blank" uniforms? They could have just painted themselves red. We all know.

Ron · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2014, 07:13:51 PM »

It sucks, but I don't think we have a dog in this fight.

Obama should have kept his mouth shut in public and worked the back channels.

Instead he takes any opportunity he finds to weaken our geopolitical position and influence.

Instead of "walk softly and carry a big stick" our new motto is "bluster about then skulk away".

TommyGunn · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2014, 07:55:12 PM »

Quote from: Ron on February 28, 2014, 07:13:51 PM

It sucks, but I don't think we have a dog in this fight.

Obama should have kept his mouth shut in public and worked the back channels.

Instead he takes any opportunity he finds to weaken our geopolitical position and influence.

Instead of "walk softly and carry a big stick" our new motto is "bluster about then skulk away".

Keeping his piehole shut would have taken a degree of international political savvy he sorely lacks.
And NO, we have NO dog in this fight. Not even one flea.

lupinus · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2014, 08:00:38 PM »

Quote from: Ron on February 28, 2014, 07:13:51 PM

It sucks, but I don't think we have a dog in this fight.

Obama should have kept his mouth shut in public and worked the back channels.

Instead he takes any opportunity he finds to weaken our geopolitical position and influence.

Instead of "walk softly and carry a big stick" our new motto is "bluster about then skulk away".

I largely agree. But it will be interesting what the response of other countries will be.

Obviously, I doubt anyone is realistically going to advocate a shooting war with Russia. Especially if the most they do is secure a few airports and other interests in areas that are ethnically Russian anywhere. If they get shooty or otherwise start rolling over the place, things become more interesting.

The extent of our obligation/business is also questionable under the agreement where Ukraine sent their nukes back to Russia.

Fitz · « **Reply #21 on:** February 28, 2014, 08:07:35 PM »

LISTEN!

WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!

Don't you know that if we don't get involved in the affairs of others, 9/11 v. 2.0 will happen?

cassandra and sara's daddy · « **Reply #22 on:** February 28, 2014, 08:07:59 PM »

To quote a friend
Obama told the Ukraine "if you like your sovereignty you can keep your sovereignty"

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cordex · « **Reply #23 on:** February 28, 2014, 08:11:38 PM »

I know it is childish, but I'm kind of looking forward to the ARMA3 mod.

roo_ster · « **Reply #24 on:** February 28, 2014, 08:37:52 PM »

Quote from: TommyGunn on February 28, 2014, 07:55:12 PM

Keeping his piehole shut would have taken a degree of international political savvy he sorely lacks.
And NO, we have NO dog in this fight. Not even one flea.

He just is not that bright. You dont get affirative action bonus points beyond our shoreline.

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Author Topic: Russia has sent troops into Ukraine (Read 11908 times)