Russia has sent troops into Ukraine

[Tallpine]

To quote a friend
Obama told the Ukraine "if you like your sovereignty you can keep your sovereignty"

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[MechAg94]

So anyone think there may be an effect on Russian ammo imports?

I doubt Russia will be affected, but I was wondering if the administration might try to use it as an excuse to mess with imports.

[TommyGunn]

So anyone think there may be an effect on Russian ammo imports?

I doubt Russia will be affected, but I was wondering if the administration might try to use it as an excuse to mess with imports.

I dunno .... but it does make me glad I ordered a pack of 1000 rnds of 7.62 ● 39  Wolf.

[Monkeyleg]

Anyone here remember the catcalls, hooting and laughter back in 2008 when Sarah Palin said this:

"After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next."

[Boomhauer]

Anyone here remember the catcalls, hooting and laughter back in 2008 when Sarah Palin said this:

"After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next."

Come on now she's just a Republican bimbo from the Midwest who dont know nothin'...

[Neemi]

from the midwest? C'mon... she can see Russia from her house! 

[Tallpine]

from the midwest? C'mon... she can see Russia from her house! 

Anchorage is about the same longitude as Honolulu     

[cordex]

"The United States will stand with the international community in affirming that there will be costs for any military intervention in Ukraine. I mean, you have fuel, danger pay, ammunition, medical care, food ... All kinds of costs. Just as a friendly FYI."

[Balog]

Self propelled artillery. For, uh, peace keeping. Riiiiiight.

http://www.armscontrol.ru/atmtc/arms_systems/land/artillery/self_propelled/2S1_Gvozdika_SP_Howitzer.htm

[Balog]

Russians taking over Ukie parliament. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=wWGluhvL7JI&app=desktop

[Balog]

Shots fired in Crimea. http://video.lefigaro.fr/figaro/video/crimee-des-coups-de-feu-en-direct/3275897723001/

Actually, based on the grenade launchers (of a non exported Russian mil type) and this video showing fired blanks I'm thinking that was Russian false flag. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nwHIi2uadf8

[makattak]

I can't help but be reminded of the last time a European country with designs on empire started invading its neighbors in order to "safegaurd their ethnic brethren. "

Interesting times we live in.

[makattak]

So, who is taking odds on how soon France surrenders?

[Azrael256]

I can't help but be reminded of the last time a European country with designs on empire started invading its neighbors in order to "safegaurd their ethnic brethren. "

Interesting times we live in.

2008?

I mean, I get the nazi references, but this ain't a new thing for the russkies.  Invading former soviet republics is sort of vlad's thing.

[Monkeyleg]

from the midwest? C'mon... she can see Russia from her house! 

That's how she knew Putin was going to invade. She could see the tanks being trucked in.

[Ben]

I see that Obama gave Putin an ultimatum.

"If you don't stay out of Ukraine, I won't come visit you this Summer".

[RevDisk]

I can't help but be reminded of the last time a European country with designs on empire started invading its neighbors in order to "safegaurd their ethnic brethren. "

Interesting times we live in.

Russia has wanted to reaquire Ukraine since the fall of the USSR.  If it goes hot, I'm curious if the EU will intervene.  They're broke and slashed defense spending. If Russia offered enough of a bribe...  Say cheap gas...

While it sucks, we should stay out of it. We pissed away a trillion on Iraq. Think anyone would cut us a check for saving Ukraine?

[lupinus]

Russia has wanted to reaquire Ukraine since the fall of the USSR.  If it goes hot, I'm curious if the EU will intervene.  They're broke and slashed defense spending. If Russia offered enough of a bribe...  Say cheap gas...

While it sucks, we should stay out of it. We pissed away a trillion on Iraq. Think anyone would cut us a check for saving Ukraine?

Sure. Payable in all the warm fuzzies we can handle.

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[Perd Hapley]

Anyone here remember the catcalls, hooting and laughter back in 2008 when Sarah Palin said this:

"After the Russian Army invaded the nation of Georgia, Senator Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/02/28/palin-on-ukraine-i-told-you-so/

[Balog]

Russian parliament has authorized military force in Ukraine. Not sure exact terms.

[makattak]

2008?

I mean, I get the nazi references, but this ain't a new thing for the russkies.  Invading former soviet republics is sort of vlad's thing.

Yes. And Hitler invaded several countries before the rest of Europe did anything other than appease him. I'm well aware Putin invaded Georgia in 2008. I am, in fact referring to it in my "invaded neighboring countries" statement.

I'm not saying we ought to start a war over this but I am saying that these may be warning signs and chances to stop something early.

Of course we have a feckless and weak leadership in this country, so even if we should step in... we won't.

Speak loudly and carry a strongly worded letter is our current foreign policy.

[RevDisk]

Of course we have a feckless and weak leadership in this country, so even if we should step in... we won't.

Speak loudly and carry a strongly worded letter is our current foreign policy.

Cheaper than the alternative.

If Czar Putin starts invades Poland or the rest of Europe, it might be in our interest to get involved. Because then things have gotten to the point where it is in our interests to get involved. Otherwise we're pissing more billions or trillions down the drain. We should not be spending money we don't have on saving other people's bacon when it doesn't involve our best interests.

We're not popular around the world anyways. So what do we care if the wogs don't respect or like us? We mind our business unless we have to smash some skulls.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Taking over air force bases

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[Ben]

Cheaper than the alternative.

If Czar Putin starts invades Poland or the rest of Europe, it might be in our interest to get involved. Because then things have gotten to the point where it is in our interests to get involved. Otherwise we're pissing more billions or trillions down the drain. We should not be spending money we don't have on saving other people's bacon when it doesn't involve our best interests.

We're not popular around the world anyways. So what do we care if the wogs don't respect or like us? We mind our business unless we have to smash some skulls.

I agree. I would prefer a President who kept his words and bluster to a minimum in this case, so that we don't appear ever weaker, but this to me is a case of speak softly and carry a big stick and be prepared to use it if necessary. "We're mad at you and I won't let you be my BFF" isn't cutting it on the "taking us seriously" front. Further, it's kind of hard for us to justify the whole, "Putin is violating sovereignty" thing when we have drones in Pakistan.

I will say that I think, given escalation, we would likely have more business, and more affected interests, intervening militarily here than we did when putting boots on the ground in Iraq. 

[Tallpine]

Putin's days of not taking Obama seriously are certainly coming to a middle.