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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2016, 06:24:09 PM »
Never said I believed him or supported him. His bullshit is the same as the BS Cruz, Rubio, Carson and Kasich are spewing, just a different flavor.
Cruz, Kasich,and Rubio at least have some conservative credentials, Trump does not.
None are perfect, though Cruz got my support when he was willing to give the iowan ethanol interests the finger- Trump politically fellated them, promising more ethanol mandates...
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2016, 06:40:46 PM »
I look at Trump as a flamboyant circus sideshow geek, stirring up the proletariat by biting the heads of the establishment's chickens.
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2016, 07:03:55 PM »

Oh stop.  ;/  No one thought that "Bush Derangement Syndrome" or "Obama Derangement Syndrome" were diagnoses of actual mental illness. 's funny. I actually started this thread after seeing a Trump supporter on another forum decrying the anti-Trump "hysteria" of Republicans that weren't all-in for the Donald.

Personally, it's not sullying the angel that bothers me, in and of itself. What boggles, what mystifies, what rankles; is that people like you and I have been saying for several years that we wanted the GOP to run an actual "small-government" or "conservative" or "real" Republican candidate. Yet here we are, staring at the closest to that we're likely to see in our lifetime, and some of us are tearing down the "angel," and instead pushing someone who is nowhere close to being that kind of Republican. Someone who's only recently begun pretending to be a Republican. I don't think reason explains that.

I can explain it for you, as I have several times, but I can not understand it for you(1).  It boils down to seeing the same potful of data and assigning different weights to them while processing them through a different set of priorities.  Do you have a similarly difficult time following the reasoning charby used to end up voting for Rubio? 

Also, how is it "tearing down" Cruz by repeating words he spoke willingly from his own mouth, no duress?  And repeating documented fact such as his loan from Goldman-Sachs. 

Cruz is nowhere near the "close enough" conservative. Not even in he same solar system. He is an establishment hack, albeit a young one, but still a hack.  If I vote, I will vote for the republican candidate, not for them, but against the democrat.

Well, Cruz is not just that.  He is smart, driven, and has good political instincts.  But yes, he is a hack who has always been a party man and not much else.  Still, better than average and better than the not-as-bright Rubio.

A few levels down the political food chain is a sharp fellow related to my wife at a couple removes by marriage.  Smart guy, a few years younger than my wife and I.  Majored in poli-sci, went to law school, got on the staff of some senator or representative who had just retired or lost re-election.  We were at dinner and he was talking about getting a lawyer-job, but was conflicted.  No one was hiring him because he had told too many people he was going to run for some office next year.  He asked what he ought to do.  I told him I would not likely vote for someone with his CV, even if we were on the same page, politically, because he had never done anything particularly useful, challenging, or character building.  I told him his best bet was to get a job, start a business, make a payroll, enlist in the Reserves of NG, get his kids through college.  The run for office in 25 years.  He was not overjoyed to hear my advice.

Maybe if Cruz had done something, anything, other than serve his own ambition his entire adult life I would say, "Nope, throwing the dice on Trump just is not worth it."  I dunno.  As it is, I would say that, credential-wise, Cruz in 2016 is on par with Obama in 2008.  OK, I will give Cruz the edge due to his work as TX solicitor general.  By all reports, he performed that task with skill.



(1) One piece of information that may help is that the GOP base voted for folk saying the same things Cruz says, elected enough of them to give over an entire branch of gov't to the GOP and the folk we voted into power accomplished...what?  They had/have all the power they need. Yet they do not use it.  After a while, a rational man must come to the conclusion that they do not actually want to do what they say.  Giving such folk yet another branch of gov't with which they will do nothing to solve our nation's problems hardly seems worth the bother.
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2016, 07:28:25 PM »

(1) One piece of information that may help is that the GOP base voted for folk saying the same things Cruz says, elected enough of them to give over an entire branch of gov't to the GOP and the folk we voted into power accomplished...what?  They had/have all the power they need. Yet they do not use it.  After a while, a rational man must come to the conclusion that they do not actually want to do what they say.  Giving such folk yet another branch of gov't with which they will do nothing to solve our nation's problems hardly seems worth the bother.

^This.

Rubio is the perfect example of this. Hell, IIRC Kasich even supported and voted for the 94 AWB. Why did kasich have a change of heart?  He's wanting to get elected. They all are. The all lie. If their lips are moving, *expletive deleted*it is comming out. Especially Cruz.
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2016, 09:49:35 PM »
Also, how is it "tearing down" Cruz by repeating words he spoke willingly from his own mouth, no duress?  And repeating documented fact such as his loan from Goldman-Sachs. 

How? It's when you follow it up with this:

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Well, Cruz is not just that.  He is smart, driven, and has good political instincts.  But yes, he is a hack who has always been a party man and not much else.  Still, better than average and better than the not-as-bright Rubio.

Typical primary nonsense. It's not enough to just say why your guy is better. We always have to sabotage the other candidates, even when they might end up being the nominee.



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Maybe if Cruz had done something, anything, other than serve his own ambition his entire adult life...

Yeah, it's not like winning cases (or filing amicus briefs) with the Supreme Court ever helped anybody. It's not as if keeping a Democrat out of the White House (2000) might have been helpful to anybody. (Maybe didn't turn out that great in hindsight, but you can't blame Cruz for that.)

And what's Trump best known for? His selfless service to the common good? ???


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One piece of information that may help is that the GOP base voted for folk saying the same things Cruz says, elected enough of them to give over an entire branch of gov't to the GOP and the folk we voted into power accomplished...what?  They had/have all the power they need. Yet they do not use it.  After a while, a rational man must come to the conclusion that they do not actually want to do what they say.  Giving such folk yet another branch of gov't with which they will do nothing to solve our nation's problems hardly seems worth the bother.

This would make sense to me if you were talking about other Congressfolk. Wouldn't electing Cruz to the big chair show every other half-way ambitious Republican that fighting the Democrats pays off? Wouldn't that teach the Congressional GOP to grow a spine?
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #55 on: February 25, 2016, 12:03:09 AM »


(1) One piece of information that may help is that the GOP base voted for folk saying the same things Cruz says, elected enough of them to give over an entire branch of gov't to the GOP and the folk we voted into power accomplished...what?  They had/have all the power they need. Yet they do not use it.  After a while, a rational man must come to the conclusion that they do not actually want to do what they say.  Giving such folk yet another branch of gov't with which they will do nothing to solve our nation's problems hardly seems worth the bother.

If I recall correctly, Cruz didn't "Go along to get along."  He actively did (and called our his fellow R's who didn't) do everything in his power to stop Obama.   IIRC, he shut down the .gov prior to the O-care roll-out to try to stop it.   He has filibusted, voted against and tried every parliamentary trick in the Senate book to try and stop the CRs, Obamacare, "Immigration Reform", and Obamamnesty for Kids, and all of Obama's other attempts to shred the Constitution and the GoAlong Republicans.   Yet you lump him in with them?? 

All I know is that actions speak louder then words and he has consistently stood up to stop the shredding of the Constitution and Obama (and the Goalong R's) power grasping over-reach.

Trump is a giant windbag and the consummate beltway insider, but hey he talks a good game so I'll place all my Hopey-Changey dreams in him. 

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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #56 on: February 25, 2016, 04:36:24 AM »
There's a lot of *expletive deleted*ing straight up crack smoking going on in this thread....
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2016, 09:44:26 AM »
roo_ster and BMofZ are Trump supporters.  The have little good to say about the man (other than Wallz!), but have spent a great deal of time and energy attacking Cruz and others.  The funny part is just about every subject they are attacking Cruz on, Trump is guilty of the same thing often worse. 

Trump wasn't a politician taking money for favors, but he was part of that system.  He was feeding Democrats money for favors.  He was part of the "moneyed interests" helping manipulate politicians.  On top of it, over the last 10 or 15 years, he was giving money to top politicians helping them screw us over. 

Lastly, Trump doesn't support Obamacare, but he wants to go further to a single payer Canadian health care system.  Won't that be fun. 
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2016, 11:11:31 AM »
There's a lot of *expletive deleted*ing straight up crack smoking going on in this thread....

Be gentle with the Cruz supporters.  They seem a bit sensitive and are not enjoying this primary race nearly as much as I am.



fistful, the ongoing game of responding to your queries and receiving calumny in return is getting somewhat tiresome.

fistful: How can it be?
roo_ster: This way
fistful: Rant.
Fistful: It makes no sense!   Show me the sense!
roo_ster: Explains.
fistful: Cruz derangement syndrome.
fistful: I can not fathom the reason!
roo_ster: Explains reasons, both particular and general case.
fistful: Stop tearing my man down with primary nonsense.

At this point, you either understand (though may not agree with) the logic and can make the case for Trump your own self or you will never have the capacity.  For my own part, I could make a case for Cruz.  If Cruz wins GOPPOTUS nomination I may do just that.  I can do either without assuming anger, derangement, or whining that the supporters of the other candidate are being mean to my guy.

And, for the record:
1. Elective office is self-serving.
2. Appointed office is self-serving
3. Civil service job is self-serving.
Unless any of the above three are weighted down with UCMJ consequences (Long Course at Ft Leavenworth if quit, can be ordered to risk life where refusal can mean court martial & death) they are self serving.  ALL are more self-serving than providing a product or service to someone in the marketplace.
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2016, 11:20:27 AM »
What if Cruz loses in Texas?
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #60 on: February 25, 2016, 11:26:10 AM »
It must be roo_ster's first time disagreeing with anybody, ever. This is what it looks like, roo. I'll quit "whining," if you quit whining about the fact that I think you're nuts.

What if Cruz loses in Texas?


Well, that will have nothing to do with the FUD spread by the Trump supporters. Nothing at all. Why do I "whine" so much about it? It's not like it ruins our chances of getting the first decent president since Reagan. ???
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #61 on: February 25, 2016, 11:36:16 AM »
It must be roo_ster's first time disagreeing with anybody, ever. This is what it looks like, roo. I'll quit "whining," if you quit whining about the fact that I think you're nuts.

So you do not have the capacity to understand the logic and therefore claim it is black magic insanity?

What if Cruz loses in Texas?

I think it would be a severe enough blow to knock him out.  [The big surprise vis a vis Trmp vs Cruz is the "Evangelical" vote going for Trump.  An examination of that phenomenon would be helpful when explaining Trump's success thus far in the primary season.]

For my own part, I would prefer Rubio lose Florida to Trump and Cruz to win Texas. 

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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2016, 11:39:13 AM »
So you do not have the capacity to understand the logic and therefore claim it is black magic insanity?


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Re: Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2016, 12:35:49 PM »
What if Cruz loses in Texas?
If he does, we're ALL screwed.....
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Re: Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #64 on: February 25, 2016, 12:37:43 PM »
If he does, we're ALL screwed.....

We're screwed anyways, just a matter of how long

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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #65 on: February 25, 2016, 01:22:31 PM »

Calumny! Calumny!

It is a question, not an accusation.

Here, you get cheese for trying, though:

A soft cheese that gets limp & runny when heat is applied.
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #66 on: February 25, 2016, 01:25:47 PM »
Trump is the walking definition of Crony Capitalist.   If it looks like he'll get the nomination, the GOPe will begin to work with him and bring him into the fold.   Trump won't blow up the GOPe, he'll strengthen it and become a part of it.    And he'll sell out (he's a businessman remember)to GOPe even before he swears the oath of office.   You know The Art of the Deal, he's not going to confront the GOPe, He's going to sell out the American people for a pat on the head.

And I disagree about public service being self serving.  Quite few people go into it to make a difference, especially when they run for office.  Some want raw power (Clinton, Trump) others are True Believers and want to make a difference (Cruz, Sanders).  

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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #67 on: February 25, 2016, 04:04:04 PM »
Replace hope and change with make america great again, and Trump is pretty well using the same play book as Obama did. Preaching useless BS tailor written to the crowd he's visiting that day, which is often in direct conflict with a wide open and out there track record. And in much the same way, the mob is eating it up and will end up with food poisoning later. Just a little different mob with a little different tastes. About the only real difference is his party is trying to torpedo him instead of embracing him.

And all this when running against a guy that is pretty well what we've all been screaming for over several election cycles, who actually had a good chance until folks got all dreamy eyed.
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #68 on: February 25, 2016, 04:38:36 PM »
Replace hope and change with make america great again, and Trump is pretty well using the same play book as Obama did. Preaching useless BS tailor written to the crowd he's visiting that day, which is often in direct conflict with a wide open and out there track record. And in much the same way, the mob is eating it up and will end up with food poisoning later. Just a little different mob with a little different tastes. About the only real difference is his party is trying to torpedo him instead of embracing him.

And all this when running against a guy that is pretty well what we've all been screaming for over several election cycles, who actually had a good chance until folks got all dreamy eyed.


Pretty much. Now why would anyone voice the tiniest complaint about that, I wonder? Why would anyone find that less than reasonable? How could this be?
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #69 on: February 25, 2016, 05:58:03 PM »
It's hopeless guys.  Roo_ster has heard they Siren call of the Donald so all the logic and reasoning in the world will not work.   If perhaps, Trump does win it all, when he appoints the first same-sex married couple to his cabinet and doubles the funding for Planned Parenthood, we can come back to these threads and re-visit Roo_ster pronouncements.

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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #70 on: February 25, 2016, 05:59:23 PM »
Trump is an amoral, philandering windbag, with no moral compass, and no idealogical core values.  Berlesconi with (marginally) better English, and worse hair.
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Re: Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #71 on: February 25, 2016, 06:21:37 PM »
It's hopeless guys.  Roo_ster has heard they Siren call of the Donald so all the logic and reasoning in the world will not work.   If perhaps, Trump does win it all, when he appoints the first same-sex married couple to his cabinet and doubles the funding for Planned Parenthood, we can come back to these threads and re-visit Roo_ster pronouncements.

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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2016, 06:35:44 PM »
I think Cruz shold run for governor of Texas, then try for president again after a few terms as governor.
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2016, 07:06:45 PM »
I think Cruz shold run for governor of Texas, then try for president again after a few terms as governor.

Like Rubio did?  ;)
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Re: Cruz Derangement Syndrome
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2016, 07:48:50 PM »
I think Cruz shold run for governor of Texas, then try for president again after a few terms as governor.

Or Trump....
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