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The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« on: October 20, 2008, 10:54:58 AM »
Hecklers at a McCain rally, when asked questions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgtij3dE10A

I particularly like "What policies of his do you support in particular?"

"I...uh...healthcare, you know, I'm a college kid, I need money (said by a girl with enormous bling earrings), socialism, all of it."

Yes, she said socialism.

That is our electorate, now.

Best summarized as "We want healthcare, money and sh__ like that."

Welcome to Idiocracy.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2008, 11:13:33 AM »
Oh Boy! I get the same type of answers from Obama supporters, even the educated ones. I still like how they believe that oil companies need to be taxed on windfalls and I tell them that will raise the price at the pump. They don't get it.



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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2008, 11:33:23 AM »
I just had a revealing experience re: healthcare. Recently went off insurance (due to age), and got the flu (any strange posts for the next few days are probably made whilst in a 100 degree fever).
Went to the doctor. $65 for the first visit there (can call in for meds later on). Finding I was off insurance, he prescribed penicillin, and a antihistamine as an option.

Ten days' worth of penicillin costs a whopping 3.99. The antihistamine costs more, but it's very easy to get alavert and similar OTC stuff for cheap that works pretty well.

Do people demanding universal healthcare ever look at what they actually need it for?

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 12:01:53 PM »
If you had the flu dude, you don't need penicillin.  Antibiotics are useless against viral diseases and will only kill helpful bacteria in the absence of harmful bacteria.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 12:18:02 PM »


Welcome to Idiocracy.

There actually IS a word for it.  kakistocracy.   

It is amazing how fast this country went from the rugged individualism of Reagan to the entitlement mentality of the socialist Obamanation.
All in my lifetime. =(
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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2008, 12:24:32 PM »
Do people demanding universal healthcare ever look at what they actually need it for?
No they don't.  If the govt really wanted to help out or do something, they would find some way to make or allow catastrophic health insurance to be cheaper (over say $10K).  I think that sort of concern is what most people are really worried about.  Some people do spend a lot of money normal care, but I bet most voters are more worried about the big stuff. 

IMO, this idea that everyday doctor's visits and medication should be free is just stupid. 

And there is also the other side of that.  You doctor helped you out by prescibing cheaper drugs.  Just what do you think a govt system would do?  It wouldn't be giving out the expensive stuff all the time I can tell you that.  It would start rationing care and drugs just like all the other govt run systems do.
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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2008, 12:39:22 PM »
Yep, and BHO will have Pelosi's House of Representin' to help out.

BTW, there is an interesting article on the design of the various signs, logos, etc. for the design-oriented among us:
http://www.underconsideration.com/speakup/archives/003066.html








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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 12:41:48 PM »
One last one:

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 01:12:50 PM »
Kidding aside, it is absolutely frightening to me that these people throw the word "socialism" around without having the slightest inkling as to its true meaning.
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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2008, 01:21:36 PM »
Kidding aside, it is absolutely frightening to me that these people throw the word "socialism" around without having the slightest inkling as to its true meaning.

It has become a catch word for big, bloated government, tax and spend and regulate government. 
Not too many people are well versed in political science and philosophy these days.
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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2008, 02:06:31 PM »
Ten days' worth of penicillin costs a whopping 3.99. The antihistamine costs more, but it's very easy to get alavert and similar OTC stuff for cheap that works pretty well.

Do people demanding universal healthcare ever look at what they actually need it for?

Some do.  I don't demand universal, government provided healthcare, but healthcare costs are a huge issue for people with chronic health problems.  Without a way to consistently obtain tens of thousands of bucks worth of health care at today's prices, I'd be unable to function productively on a regular basis.  I'd most likely be dead, as of this past June.

I'd sure like to be able to get by on a $65 office visit and $20 worth of drugs a couple times a decade.  That's pretty much what my husband does.  The past couple of years though, health has gotten a whole heckuva lot more expensive than that for me.  Yeah, having a way to pay for about $400 worth of prescriptions every month is a major priority for me, as is not being financially ruined every time I need a major medical intervention or a specialist consult. 

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2008, 02:09:24 PM »
It has become a catch word for big, bloated government, tax and spend and regulate government. 
Not too many people are well versed in political science and philosophy these days.

I think to this sort, it means free stuff.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2008, 02:18:39 PM »
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Kidding aside, it is absolutely frightening to me that these people throw the word "socialism" around without having the slightest inkling as to its true meaning.

Yeah, it really is.

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Some do.  I don't demand universal, government provided healthcare, but healthcare costs are a huge issue for people with chronic health problems.  Without a way to consistently obtain tens of thousands of bucks worth of health care at today's prices, I'd be unable to function productively on a regular basis.  I'd most likely be dead, as of this past June.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2008, 02:34:33 PM »
Holy crap Freak, what's the matter with you?  :mad:

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2008, 02:53:43 PM »
um, wow.  Dunno what I missed, but I dunno what was attack-worthy in what I said.  It didn't even voice a political opinion, all it did was disclaim one, and respond to a poster's assertion that health care isn't a big issue.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2008, 02:59:11 PM »
Don't worry about it.

We'll just chalk it up to Freakazoid having a bad day, and move forward from there.

Everybody's entitled to one bad day every now and then, we're all human.

If I was wrong in that assumption, we'll proceed accordingly.
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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2008, 03:06:51 PM »
"Spreading the wealth around"!?!!!   :O


That's.... wow. People are morons.  =|
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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2008, 03:43:18 PM »
The core premise seems to be that those with wealth somehow came by it via criminal/unsavory/unfair/immoral/dumb-luck means, taking it by hook from "the people", and it must thus be restored to "the people" by any means necessary. When chatting with left-leaning folks, I'm surprised at how often this is expressed, and how strongly they reject any notion that it might have actually been fairly earned. They just can't conceive that someone could actually have a good idea, work hard to implement it, and lots of people voluntarily give them good money in exchange for the fruit thereof. They also just can't conceive of the meaning & consequence of "not yours". They feel coerced into an infrastructure they don't approve of, can't live without, and won't consider any alternative that requires temporary effort & discomfort on their part.

"He's rich, he cheated to get it, gimme some."

I've gone totally without TV (any kind but movies) for a couple years, and recently started watching NBC Nightly News podcasts just to observe the tone & direction of major news reports. Most striking (beyond the abject lack of meaningful content despite resources spent) is the ongoing implication that any discomfort on anyone's part is grounds for "OMG isn't this horrible, someone should do something" - breathless reporting on something that should be addressed with "get off yer tush and fix it yerself" and subsequently ignored. Such a mindset ("he sneezed, someone's gotta pay") indoctrinated on most people daily can only result in such a "you're better off, it's your fault, gimme some" social philosophy.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #18 on: October 20, 2008, 03:45:03 PM »
The farmer is being greedy for keeping some corn to plant to grow a new harvest. Take away the corn he has stored and everybody eat it right now. Wait a minute...hey, why isn't there any corn next year?

Rob Peter to pay Paul, then Peter, who employed Paul, is forced to let Paul go. Now Paul is unemployed and Peter is out of business.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2008, 03:56:29 PM »
BridgeWalker-

I think that's what people are saying.

What we really need is what they once called "Major Medical." This was insurance that was really insurance: you paid a relatively small monthly fee, and if the SHTF in your life, insurance covered the unexpected and beyond-your-control costs.

It didn't pay for standard medical stuff, the few hundred bucks a year or whatever that healthy people spend. But if you really got in medical trouble, you didn't have to worry about the cost.

This was like car insurance. If the car gets stolen, swept away in a flood, or wrecked, it's insured. However, nobody expects car insurance to pay for an oil change, new tires, a new radiator after 10 years, or other reasonable maintenance and repair that every car needs.

Now, we have HMO and HMO-style insurance, where we pay a rather large monthly fee, but expect, in return, to have everything paid for when we go to the doctor. This creates perverse incentives, and perverse realities.

Ever go to a doctor and ask, "Hey, what will this cost?" Try it sometime. The answer you get would probably land your mechanic or plumber in jail, but it's SOP in the "health care" business.

Our current system in the US makes it almost impossible to pay for one's own health care. Furthermore, we had a $64,000 hospital bill a year ago. The insurance company paid about $16,000, and we had to fork over a few thousand here and there. Who paid the other $44,000? Nobody. The insurance company haggles. But if we weren't insured, we'd be on the hook for the whole $64,000. Name any other business that can do this legally, especially when they will not and cannot quote a price before performing expensive services! They charge only after the fact, and seemingly whatever they feel like charging.

We kept getting bills for a few hundred every few months. Name any other business that can send a bill a year later, without even specifying WHAT services were performed, and WHY you owed more money all of a sudden, and threaten to ruin your credit when you dispute the charge! NAME ONE.

Our health care system is so screwed up on the business side, that handing payment over to government right now would be like dumping gasoline on a house fire. No matter what, we have to FIX the system before we worry about who pays for it.

Finally, what we call "health care" isn't really. It's "body repair." "Health care" happens when we eat, exercise, sleep, manage our time, etc., to maximize our health. When something breaks, that's "repair", not "care." The idea that going to the doctor will make one healthy is a myth. It might enable one to become healthier (i.e. a doc who found out my legs were different lengths so that now I can jog and hike without pain), but health care is a personal thing. I can still choose to jog or hike, or not.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2008, 06:07:00 PM »
ArmedBear--I'm pretty aware of the "major medical" model, the trouble is that it doesn't really address the problem of chronic illness well at all, now that costs, particularly for drugs, are so high. 

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2008, 11:39:47 AM »
I think to this sort, it means free stuff.
Free for them, since someone else is paying for it, and they don't value their freedoms in any case.
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« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2008, 03:02:18 PM »
The problem is that they don't see that freedom to succeed and freedom to fail are both integral parts of freedom in general.  If you isolate people from failure through law, and cap success through law, you don't have the freedom to live your life how you see fit.

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« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2008, 03:07:59 PM »
The problem is that they don't see that freedom to succeed and freedom to fail are both integral parts of freedom in general.  If you isolate people from failure through law, and cap success through law, you don't have the freedom to live your life how you see fit.

People who are lazy don't care about that. All they care about is the check they get and the new TV.

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Re: The face of Obama followers, in their own words.
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2008, 03:51:40 PM »
If you had the flu dude, you don't need penicillin.  Antibiotics are useless against viral diseases and will only kill helpful bacteria in the absence of harmful bacteria.

Wrong.  An antibiotic can prevent oppertunistic cross-infections of the ears, sinus, eyes, throat, etc, while one's natural defenses are down. 
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